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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 18:08:56 GMT -5
Geez, I wish I was still "tough." The last couple of months I don't have the moxie to do much of anything.....going to see the quack tomorrow. Hope I get pointed on to some magic meds........
Eyefrom... I thought maybe I missed something in our exchanges, but I'm very glad everything has been courteous so far.
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Post by dennyf on May 20, 2013 18:17:02 GMT -5
"The last couple of months I don't have the moxie to do much of anything.." Mebbe you've just grown soft and used to too much coddling? Have Kate briskly pummel you daily with a stout stick and see if that doesn't set things right again. Might take a while tho, assumin' that isn't already taking place. In which case, I'm fresh outta suggestions.
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Post by Dutch on May 20, 2013 20:13:32 GMT -5
We need to have a good talk with Kate about how she tends to the old coot..... but, maybe she needs a BIGGER stick Denny?
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Post by bawanajim on May 20, 2013 21:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by dennyf on May 20, 2013 22:34:45 GMT -5
Honey bees were very scarce in these parts for several years, but appeared to be making a comeback last summer.
For about 4 or 5 years, our apple tree blossoms were being frequented by some species of small bumble bees, instead of the honey bees once so prevalent. Last year I noticed quite a few more honey bees than I've seen in some time.
Whatever is putting the whammy on them, hope they soon figure it out and deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 7:55:11 GMT -5
Yes, of particular note; "their best-selling pesticides are under fire from environmental and food activists who say the chemicals are killingoff millions of bees."
Kate really does "spoil me" no question about it she's the best thing that ever happened to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 7:57:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 9:41:17 GMT -5
No reason that we need to drop one environmental concern to pick up another. We can keep a watch on every threat to our environment and challenge the practices that bring ecological harm.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 10:30:22 GMT -5
"No reason that we need to drop one environmental concern to pick up another."
Unfortunately that is what happens. With exposure to new practices there becomes a new focus and the same old hazards are put to the side while speculation runs wild on the new "threat."
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Post by melody on May 23, 2013 18:02:38 GMT -5
DCNR Sets June 3 Hearing On Possible Loyalsock Gas Drilling Posted: 23 May 2013 05:45 AM PDT Department of Conservation and Natural Resources Secretary Richard Allan Wednesday announced that the department will hold a public meeting on Marcellus Shale issues in the Loyalsock State Forest, Lycoming County, from 4 to 6 p.m. on June 3 at Lycoming College in Williamsport. “DCNR is responding to requests that the public be given the chance to provide the department with information and comments on possible gas development in the Loyalsock, in an area where we do not own the subsurface rights,” Allan said. “This meeting is the completion of a series of interactions with the public regarding this complicated and long-standing issue, including a local stakeholder meeting and a public web-based information session.” As a result of a 1989 Commonwealth Court decision, about 25,000 acres of the Loyalsock State Forest are in a unique and complex situation in terms of surface ownership and rights. “DCNR is committed to stewardship of state forests and to working proactively with all stakeholders - including the public and mineral right owners - to ensure the protection of these vital public lands,” Allan said. The meeting will be held in Wendle Hall, Academic Center, off of Mulberry Street. All are welcome to participate in the public meeting. Registration is not required. The meeting will begin with a short power-point presentation about the Loyalsock situation by Marcellus Program Manager Arianne Proctor. Following the presentation, questions will be answered by Secretary Allan, Proctor and State Forester Dan Devlin. Following the question and answer session, participants will be offered the opportunity to make comments with a five-minute time limit. If unable to attend the meeting, members of the public can submit written comments by sending email to: loyalsock@pa.gov. DCNR held a local stakeholder meeting on this issue on April 4, and participated in a Penn State web-based information session on April 25. The webinar is archived and available on the Penn State Extension natural-gas website: extension.psu.edu/natural-resources/natural-gas/webinars/information-on-potential-loyalsock-state-forest-natural-gas-developmentFor more information, download the Clarence Moore Fact Sheet: www.dcnr.state.pa.us/cs/groups/public/documents/document/dcnr_20026829.pdf
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 8:07:43 GMT -5
I sure didn't realize there were "ownership" and "rights" issues!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 8:27:53 GMT -5
BUT, think about... the BEER: gawker.com/fracking-might-destroy-the-german-beer-industry-509628076"A 500-year-old beer purity law called the "Reinheitsgebot" is apparently at stake. The "Reinheitsgebot" states that German brewers can only produce beer using malt, hops, yeast and water. The chemicals produced by fracking could, according to the Brauer-Bund beer association, pollute water in the underground wells used by some breweries."
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 8:50:37 GMT -5
OK, that does it. If it ruins the beer industry, I'm going to oppose it. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 9:55:39 GMT -5
I wonder where the great men of conservation, Leopold, Audobon, Izaak Walton, T.R., Henry David Thoreau and their like would have come out on the fracking issue?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 15:32:31 GMT -5
I believe the greatness of some of those men was recognized because of their innate ability to reason and be diligent in searching out fact and to not simply respond to irrational fears.
Leopold, for instance, was an advocate of protecting animals in a sense, but also realized, and promoted, that hunting helped to provide strength to some species. While we see him as a great man, men like him don't rank among "great men" with Animal Rights and other such irrational groups.
Some others did great things that were founded of a single purpose or theme. I suppose harvesting resources from the earth would not sit well with some of them. But then again, they built their homes with bricks, wood and concrete and probably heated with coal, oil, gas or wood.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 7:23:32 GMT -5
I picked this one up this morning on Fox News. I know, I know. Fox News. California is on the verge of a new gold rush. Expanded hydraulic fracturing -- or "fracking" -- at the Monterey Shale formation is sparking estimates that 15 billion barrels of oil could be accessed, along with millions of jobs and huge contributions to the domestic energy supply. Even the state's green-friendly Democratic governor, Jerry Brown, says "the potential is extraordinary." But standing in the way is a flurry of anti-fracking bills. At last count, 10 were on the table, all introduced by Democrats seeking tighter controls over the controversial technology. Some of the measures take aim at how crude is extracted from rock layers beyond the reach of conventional drilling. Others call for full disclosure of what chemicals are used in the high-pressure process, how they're removed, and where they're stored. California State Sen. Fran Pavley, a longtime environmental activist, is pushing for a fracking moratorium until more studies are done on the potential risks, particularly to the groundwater supply. "With hydraulic fracturing, hundreds of gallons of water, laced with chemicals, sand ... can go horizontally underground. ... We don't know enough," she said. Fracking has been around in California for decades. It's a standard step in oil drilling, and while health problems have been reported in states like Colorado and Pennsylvania, the technology has a clean safety record in the Golden State. But critics argue it's virtually impossible to know exactly where, or how often, fracking operations are occurring. "Companies aren't required to report fracking to anyone -- not the state or the federal government," said Patrick Sullivan, with the Center for Biological Diversity. "Some have made their fracking public, but they certainly don't have to." Even so, supporters say bills seeking more studies and rules are, at this point, premature -- and could jeopardize a potential bonanza. "Why would you want to curtail energy production, with a technology that has proved to be safe, and (deny) the folks in the regions of the state where those benefits are going to accrue? That just doesn't make any sense," argued Tupper Hull, with the Western States Petroleum Association. At public workshops, state regulators who oversee drilling in California are outlining their own preliminary rules. They argue once they're formally approved, these rules will make anti-fracking laws unnecessary. But some legislators aren't convinced those regulations will be enough, as energy companies aggressively eye the vast Monterey Shale, and the promise of the biggest boom ever in this oil-rich state Read more: www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/29/california-dems-push-anti-fracking-bills/#ixzz2UgQuGQDb
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Post by dennyf on May 29, 2013 9:57:21 GMT -5
I recall discussions on recovering oil from western oil shale deposits, back during the "shortages" in the 1970s. At the time I believe the experts said it could be done, but would be more expensive than what was already being tapped via more common means? Short story, shale oil extraction depended on oil prices being at a certain level, for it to be economically feasible. These were some of the things that the federal government was supposed to be "looking into" to avoid future oil shortages and the resulting turmoil like we had in the 70s. There were also mentions back then, of converting coal into liquid fuels and other solutions to energy shortages. Not much has changed since then, but for the advent of fairly inexpensive and plentiful natural gas, due to fracking and horizontal drilling advances like we now have in PA.
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Post by bawanajim on May 29, 2013 10:13:09 GMT -5
The one factor that has changed from the seventies is that we now are learning the true cost of middle eastern oil. Three gulf wars that we will be paying for long into the future should provide all of the incentive America needs to support more drilling.
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Post by Dutch on May 29, 2013 17:21:16 GMT -5
The one factor that has changed from the seventies is that we now are learning the true cost of middle eastern oil. Three gulf wars that we will be paying for long into the future should provide all of the incentive America needs to support more drilling. Amen Jim!
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Post by dalesholder on May 30, 2013 4:47:44 GMT -5
We will also be paying into the next century for any long term enviromental damages as well. Still no one has answered why its so hard to leave places undrilled or are we as a society cant stand to see things left untouched.
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Post by Dutch on May 30, 2013 5:00:03 GMT -5
Apparently, someone owns the mineral rights under the Loyalsock, just as they do on various game lands, and they have a legal right to drill. That is unfortunate.
If there was coal under that land, they could come in and rip is all up.
If the state wanted to and had the money, they could buy the mineral rights back, but, that probably ain't gonna happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 6:44:42 GMT -5
You nailed it Dutch. You cannot dictate, (to a limit), what people can do with property they own --- mineral rights. When "the state" takes your property rights then the problem is much more than scenic woodlands disappearing!
Previous owners of my land retained most of the mineral rights. Even though I don't like it, I pat them on the back for having that foresight.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 10:09:41 GMT -5
The one factor that has changed from the seventies is that we now are learning the true cost of middle eastern oil. Three gulf wars that we will be paying for long into the future should provide all of the incentive America needs to support more drilling. We are talking about gas not oil. Stop getting them confused. It's easy to see oil in your drinking water but natural gas is a different story.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 10:11:33 GMT -5
You nailed it Dutch. You cannot dictate, (to a limit), what people can do with property they own --- mineral rights. When "the state" takes your property rights then the problem is much more than scenic woodlands disappearing! Previous owners of my land retained most of the mineral rights. Even though I don't like it, I pat them on the back for having that foresight. Loyalsock State Forest is not somebody's property. It's State forest! Why would anyone other than the citizens of PA own the mineral rights there?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 10:12:10 GMT -5
Apparently, someone owns the mineral rights under the Loyalsock, just as they do on various game lands, and they have a legal right to drill. That is unfortunate. If there was coal under that land, they could come in and rip is all up. If the state wanted to and had the money, they could buy the mineral rights back, but, that probably ain't gonna happen. Where did you hear about this?
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