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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 8:27:03 GMT -5
Maybe we should just go to seasons on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. Makes as much sense as not hunting on a Sunday.
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Post by turkeykiller on Mar 3, 2016 8:37:02 GMT -5
The PGC could open year round seasons for everything anytime. Allow the hunter to take his limit anytime he or she wanted, and there would be some who say it ain't fair because they don't have a bow or gun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 8:56:51 GMT -5
While this is perhaps true, so is the converse. The PGC could propose any change, no matter how insignificant, and there would be some who protest that it is not fair, or more likely, that it would lead to fewer deer in their woods.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 8:58:07 GMT -5
The PGC could open year round seasons for everything anytime. Allow the hunter to take his limit anytime he or she wanted, and there would be some who say it ain't fair because they don't have a bow or gun. Absolutely, but there would only be 200,000 doe tags issued. And the herd would not go down.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 3, 2016 9:59:30 GMT -5
So, this is where all youz have been spending all the time. And youz didn't invite me. *rant*
But Ahhhhhhhhhh, refreshing. A 4 page thread that isn't politically charged. rofl
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 15:26:48 GMT -5
You don't read very well do ya, Ridge? Try rereading my posts, or have someone read them for you. To sum things up for you: The number of tags would not need to be increased at all for the deer kill to increase greatly if Sundays are added to the seasons. I do not believe the PGC would reduce the number of tags to make up for the increase in number of tags that SH allows to fill. I do not want the deer kill to increase. I feel bad that for the hunters who actually do have a hard time getting time to hunt because of their jobs. For those who won't make the time,and those who want the extra days because, even with our generous seasons and other changes that have been made to make killing a deer easier, still have trouble getting a buck, maybe they just have to face that truth. confused-smiley-013 And their thinking that SH will finally be the thing that makes a deer hunter of them cracks me up coffeespit . Ridge you tell me my opinion "cracks you up" and the you whine that I slight you and make thing personal? Other than job demands, most other things that keep "Hunters" from having time to hunt are just excuses. If SH hunting could somehow be put into law in a way that made Sunday hunting for deer impossible to ever come to pass, I would be all for it. Maybe it would get some of the guys who are bringing the youth into the game believing deer hunting is the only hunting worth spending anytime doing to take a kid hunting small game hunting. If it's about getting youth to like hunting enough to make it a lifetime activity, exposing them to the love of the outdoors through small game hunting is probably more effective than having them spend all their hunting experience sitting in a blind waiting for a living target.
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Post by dougell on Mar 3, 2016 16:14:48 GMT -5
I'm not crying or complaining.I've been dealing with no sunday hunting since I started hunting and I find a way to make it work.I'm in the woods every sunday scouting and moving stands and that probably has an impact on the number of deer that die in front of me every year.I own a business and haven't taken a vacation since 2003.I take the first day of deer season off every year and that's it.We all make our own choices in life and I can live with mine.I get to hunt part of most Saturdays during archery season and we get the first day and both Saturdays of rifle season to hunt.That's enough time for us to fill 10-12 tags/yr.I'm not asking for more time in the deer woods.I just see no legitimate reason why I can't take my kid out on a sunday to kill some squirrels.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 3, 2016 16:23:48 GMT -5
Ridge you tell me my opinion "cracks you up" and the you whine that I slight you and make thing personal? Never whined. Just said that often times, you stoop to low levels when your position is a weak one. Cracking someone up means they got a chuckle out of it compared to questioning someone's reading comprehension or the need to have someone else read something to me. I can read perfectly well. As has been pointed out to you before. Maybe you did't "read" it. The PGC can do as it pleases with deer numbers with or without SH. They have proven that to be the case. The addition of SH does not change a thing when it comes to what the PGC can do to deer numbers. It is a position that just does not hold water.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 17:00:48 GMT -5
The "cracks me up" post of yours was before I made the one about your reading comprehension.
What does "the PGC does as it pleases with deer numbers" have to do with what I said? Most of us know they do as they please. And I believe it would not please them if they had to lower doe tags in any appreciable number and lose the money those tags bring in. It shouldn't be so hard for you top understand the point. It has little to do with what they can or cannot do, it is what they would most likely do.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 3, 2016 17:06:11 GMT -5
What does "the PGC does as it pleases with deer numbers" have to do with what I said? Because you said one of the main reasons why you oppose SH is that you believe it will lower deer numbers. The PGC can lower or raise deer numbers as they see fit with or without SH. They have been doing it for quite some time. Any change to season length of allocations is monitored. The PGC adjusts constantly for ebbing and flowing deer numbers. Our deer population will be where they want it one way or the other. SH has nothing to do with it.
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Post by cspot on Mar 3, 2016 17:08:46 GMT -5
The "cracks me up" post of yours was before I made the one about your reading comprehension. What does "the PGC does as it pleases with deer numbers" have to do with what I said? Most of us know they do as they please. And I believe it would not please them if they had to lower doe tags in any appreciable number and lose the money those tags bring in. It shouldn't be so hard for you top understand the point. It has little to do with what they can or cannot do, it is what they would most likely do. Didn't they just cut antlerless tags across the board by a large amount? How many more general licenses would they sell? They may sell some more bear licenses, archery stamps, etc if people have some more time to hunt.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 17:41:53 GMT -5
Yep, they can raise and lower it as they wish, I have said it many times(many in this thread). I don't believe they will lower them enough to make up for the increased kill , resulting from the increase in weekend days added to the season. It should not be difficult to understand what I am saying,but it seems some want to make the words mean something they do not. Maybe because you think it's easier for you. And as in so many things in life, there will always be those who want the easiest way to accomplish anything. smileys-whistling-823718
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 3, 2016 18:01:45 GMT -5
Yep, they can raise and lower it as they wish, I have said it many times(many in this thread). I don't believe they will lower them enough to make up for the increased kill , resulting from the increase in weekend days added to the season. That makes no sense since they can lower it now without SH. It seems you believe they will not adjust for a few added days therefore you believe they want more deer killed. Than can kill more deer already if they wanted to. You can't help yourself can you, lol......
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Post by cspot on Mar 3, 2016 18:13:03 GMT -5
And as in so many things in life, there will always be those who want the easiest way to accomplish anything. smileys-whistling-823718 Which is obviously you in this case as you don't want any others to have more opportunity, so that you fell that you have a better chance at "more deer".
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Post by cspot on Mar 3, 2016 18:15:16 GMT -5
One easy thing they could do with rifle is start on a Monday as always, go thru the weekend and end on the last Friday. No added days and simply trading one weekend day for another. Would be great for guys going to camp for the doe opener as they could hunt Sat and Sun before heading home.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 18:23:01 GMT -5
Ya got me figured out. The only reason so many of those of us(or maybe it's just me) see so much success is because we are not allowed to hunt on Sunday.
Ridge, you make it too easy. Is there anything that you are satisfied with when it comes to hunting PA? You got your crossbow. You want earlier gobbler season, sunday hunting, baiting?,mentor this group or that.
It must be hard to have to hunt in a state when there is so many drawback to doing so.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 18:26:09 GMT -5
One easy thing they could do with rifle is start on a Monday as always, go thru the weekend and end on the last Friday. No added days and simply trading one weekend day for another. Would be great for guys going to camp for the doe opener as they could hunt Sat and Sun before heading home. I made nearly the same post here. No problem with that season layout for me. Here it is: Sunday hunting hearing! Nov 21, 2015 at 1:06pm like Post Options Post by redarrow on Nov 21, 2015 at 1:06pm If Sunday hunting is allowed for small game only, many deer hunters will come unglued and demand that deer be included. And A trial period would let a genie out of the bottle that would never be put back in. How about a Saturday start, allow Hunting the following Sunday and end it on the following Saturday? Three weekend days is one more than
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Post by cspot on Mar 3, 2016 18:34:29 GMT -5
One easy thing they could do with rifle is start on a Monday as always, go thru the weekend and end on the last Friday. No added days and simply trading one weekend day for another. Would be great for guys going to camp for the doe opener as they could hunt Sat and Sun before heading home. I made nearly the same post probably a year or more ago here-might even be word for word-could have even been copied. No problem with that season layout for me. See, you do see that Sunday's can be added and not affect the resource. smileys-whistling-823718
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Post by cspot on Mar 3, 2016 18:36:44 GMT -5
One easy thing they could do with rifle is start on a Monday as always, go thru the weekend and end on the last Friday. No added days and simply trading one weekend day for another. Would be great for guys going to camp for the doe opener as they could hunt Sat and Sun before heading home. I made nearly the same post here. No problem with that season layout for me. Here it is: Sunday hunting hearing! Nov 21, 2015 at 1:06pm like Post Options Post by redarrow on Nov 21, 2015 at 1:06pm If Sunday hunting is allowed for small game only, many deer hunters will come unglued and demand that deer be included. And A trial period would let a genie out of the bottle that would never be put back in. How about a Saturday start, allow Hunting the following Sunday and end it on the following Saturday? Three weekend days is one more than Your reading comprehension is horrible. Maybe that is why people question what you post? Your proposal was for basically 1 week of hunting. You would lose 4 days in your proposal. Mine kept the same amount of days. Hardly word for word.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 18:49:04 GMT -5
But it adds a weekend day to make up for all the hunting missed because some can only hunt weekends. Surely three entire days with a rifle when other hunters will likely be moving deer will allow for some feel they have a chance.
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Post by cspot on Mar 3, 2016 18:52:55 GMT -5
This is what I replied before when you made your "DIFFERENT THAN MINE" Proposal.
Under the current system we have 3 high pressure days. The first day (Monday), the first Saturday and the second Saturday. The highest day of pressure is the first day (Monday). What you have proposed would still only have 3 high pressure days, but would remove 4 days of lower pressure hunting. The only way I would support it is if you included the second Sunday for 4 weekend days.
I would expect that as far as deer is concerned the PGC would include Sundays in the late seasons first for archery/muzzleloader, then maybe the early muzzleloader/jr/sr antlerless hunting, before any regular archery or firearm Sundays would be included. The PGC has always had a slow guarded approach when introducing new opportunities.
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Post by bushmaster on Mar 3, 2016 19:11:44 GMT -5
Sunday hunting should be legal and it should be across the board! All game! The argument against is just plain stupid! You can't fix stupid, that's the problem!
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 19:16:53 GMT -5
It will make no difference what I want. I'm not a joiner of groups. I hate group-think. I thought for a while I would not support any effort to oppose SH, but if there is such a group, I'd throw my support behind them.
I never thought I'd see the day when we'd call shooting deer with crossbows archery hunting. The squeaky wheels got the grease in that cause and I expect the will in this matter, too. I'll just be happy going about things as I have always done and hope those that are so unhappy because they cannot hunt on Sunday take a kid exploring a local woodlot instead. It may do as much to mentor them to be a hunter than anything else we do.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 19:18:11 GMT -5
Here is the deer take by day in NY. It's on page 16. It shows what percentage of the harvest comes on each day. Note that NY southern zone has a 3 week firearms season beginning the same day as our bear season, usually. www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/2014deerrpt.pdfWith THREE Sundays, you can see that a small percentage of the harvest comes on Sundays. In PA, to start, I would guess the PGC would start out with ONE Sunday of deer hunting.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 19:21:09 GMT -5
Now, look at page 22 for the historical deer take.
Sunday hunting for deer, IIRC, began in 1999 or 2000.
Did the deer take increase a great deal?
Keep in mind, in the early 2000's, NY went thru a herd reduction period.
And even with 3 days of rifle SH, the deer kill is going up now, because they reduced permits, to INCREASE der numbers.
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