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Post by redarrow on Mar 1, 2016 20:19:31 GMT -5
I work at least five days a week. Even so, Until we set the clocks back in the fall, I usually hunt every evening when the boys aren't in a xcountry race. And I always take off a day or two during the last week of archery season.
Most people get some vacation. Some take it to go to the beach, skiing, golfing, maybe a cruise. If I didn't live out in the boonies, where I almost always just walk out my door to hunt, I'd take more of my days to hunt.
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Post by cspot on Mar 1, 2016 20:35:23 GMT -5
I am pretty much the same. I work 5 miles from home, so until the clock changes we can hunt almost every evening. I don't make too many of the kid's activities during that time as I am taking out their brother or sister that evening. The kids are cool with it and it works well for us. We also live where we hunt so it is easy to get into the woods. Very few people have the same opportunities that you and I do.
Several years ago my job didn't allow this. I usually was working 5 to 6 days a week and was usually working 1-2 hrs away from home. I also got out of work much later so by the time I got home it was dark. Many people are in this situation and are lucky to get 1 day a week to hunt.
Also people with families have other stuff that they use vacation on like family vacations. Some people don't get paid vacation as well.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 1, 2016 20:56:29 GMT -5
Cspot, you nailed it.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 2, 2016 15:43:03 GMT -5
What do the guys who can never find time to hunt do with their Sundays now? We can hunt far more days now then when I started hunting. How much will we do before we say we have done enough and that some are just not into hunting. Our game commission is beginning to be like a girl who just can't believe she can't make the guy she's after show any want her.....Things like special days when only they can hunt, or mentored adults getting to hunt is kinda like the booty calls made by the guys who are the target of the girls interest.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2016 17:21:29 GMT -5
I hunt upstate. 4 hour drive. I don't hunt out my back door.
I'm doubt I would bowhunt on a Sunday due to maybe wounding one in the morning and not having time to get it, but, I might like a Sunday morning grouse hunt. Just for a couple hours, then drive home.
How does that harm you?
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 2, 2016 17:24:24 GMT -5
What do the guys who can never find time to hunt do with their Sundays now? We can hunt far more days now then when I started hunting. How much will we do before we say we have done enough and that some are just not into hunting. If I was retired and in perfect health which allowed me to hunt day I wished, I would still support our PGC having regulatory authority of it. Hunting is the only outdoor sport in this state that is restricted by law on a certain day. I don't care if I would benefit or not. The issue has nothing to do with that for me. It is the right thing to do and all hunters should support game agencies regulating hunting every day of the week as they see fit. Regardless of personal wants and desires.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 17:27:22 GMT -5
What do the guys who can never find time to hunt do with their Sundays now? We can hunt far more days now then when I started hunting. How much will we do before we say we have done enough and that some are just not into hunting. If I was retired and in perfect health which allowed me to hunt day I wished, I would still support our PGC having regulatory authority of it. Hunting is the only outdoor sport in this state that is restricted by law on a certain day. I don't care if I would benefit or not. The issue has nothing to do with that for me. It is the right thing to do and all hunters should support game agencies regulating hunting every day of the week as they see fit. Regardless of personal wants and desires. Exactly the way I see it, Gene, and I am one of those evil retired types who can hunt pretty much whenever I feel like it. Sunday hunting will not benefit me, but it would be a Godsend for those whom it will benefit. thumbsup
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Post by cspot on Mar 2, 2016 17:29:44 GMT -5
I hunt upstate. 4 hour drive. I don't hunt out my back door. I'm doubt I would bowhunt on a Sunday due to maybe wounding one in the morning and not having time to get it, but, I might like a Sunday morning grouse hunt. Just for a couple hours, then drive home. How does that harm you? Because you may stay on a Sunday and kill " his more deer" and then he may not see as many deer. He doesn't seem to have an issue with small game as I don't recall him ever complaining when they extended rabbit season this year. He just doesn't like opportunities with deer. You know deer, deer, deer. The greed and jealousy that comes out of people over a simple deer is just amazing. His disdain for crossbows I believe are deeply rooted in the same greed and jealousy.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2016 17:35:15 GMT -5
Yes, it is and always has been about deer.
I bet if a SH bill was proposed that excluded deer, people would be fine with it
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Post by cspot on Mar 2, 2016 18:16:59 GMT -5
Yes, it is and always has been about deer. I bet if a SH bill was proposed that excluded deer, people would be fine with it I believe Red opposes that as well since it then may lead to deer.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2016 19:54:38 GMT -5
Yes, probably.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 2, 2016 20:45:58 GMT -5
Yep, one of the main reasons I don't like it because I think it will lead to a further reduction in deer numbers. I suspect I'd still get a deer most years. It's about deer, but it's not about saving the one I'll probably shoot anyway.
I think there would have to be a major reduction in the number of deer tags available if another weekend day is added to every week of the season. I seriously doubt that would happen though.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2016 21:04:41 GMT -5
So other states have not been able to handle this issue?
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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2016 21:05:23 GMT -5
So tired of the deer issue in this issue.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2016 21:07:29 GMT -5
Ya know Red, I got to hunt for about 2 days this year, for deer. Have not killed one since 2011, and a buck since 2009. I'm still alive. The world hasn't ended because I have not killed a deer.
Why do you want to keep others from enjoying hunting when the PGC can EASILY control the deer numbers with doe tags.
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Post by redarrow on Mar 2, 2016 21:20:29 GMT -5
I don't think they would reduce the tags enough until deer numbers were drastically reduced, partly because of a loss in revenue.
If only got to hunt deer 2 days in a year, I suppose I'd want he change too. .........Jeez, Now ya got me feeling a bit sorry for some of you hunters. Maybe I'm changing from one who opposes to one who is neutral on the issue....... Now, I did say- MAYBE. confused-smiley-013
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 2, 2016 22:07:56 GMT -5
Yep, one of the main reasons I don't like it because I think it will lead to a further reduction in deer numbers. That tired argument cracks me up. The PGC has all the tools it needs right now to reduce deer numbers or increase deer numbers any way they see fit. They could reduce them drastically in a few years or increase them if they wanted to. SH does not change one thing when it comes to the PGC doing what it wants with deer numbers. The PGC is gonna get deer numbers where they want them without SH or with SH.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 6:25:00 GMT -5
Deer biologist years ago told me they can adjust the herd anyway they want, with any weapons we want to use or days to hunt.
If we wanted a 3 month rifle season, we could have it, and deer numbers would be fine, but getting a doe tag would be pretty tough as not many would be needed.
The problem is that people really don't understand deer management.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 6:26:45 GMT -5
Oh my, can anyone imagine Sunday bear hunting and how much more opportunity it would give, without killing more bears?
I remember a "famous", yet clueless WCO telling us a Saturday bear opener was gonna decimate the bear population.
As with many things, he was wrong.
BTW, he was against SH because it would cause more divorces. LMBO!
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Post by redarrow on Mar 3, 2016 6:35:44 GMT -5
You don't read very well do ya, Ridge? Try rereading my posts, or have someone read them for you. To sum things up for you: The number of tags would not need to be increased at all for the deer kill to increase greatly if Sundays are added to the seasons. I do not believe the PGC would reduce the number of tags to make up for the increase in number of tags that SH allows to fill. I do not want the deer kill to increase.
I feel bad that for the hunters who actually do have a hard time getting time to hunt because of their jobs. For those who won't make the time,and those who want the extra days because, even with our generous seasons and other changes that have been made to make killing a deer easier, still have trouble getting a buck, maybe they just have to face that truth. confused-smiley-013 And their thinking that SH will finally be the thing that makes a deer hunter of them cracks me up coffeespit .
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 7:49:11 GMT -5
THE PGC HAS ALREADY ADJUSTED TAGS AND SEASON LENGTH!
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 3, 2016 7:50:52 GMT -5
You don't read very well do ya, Ridge? Try rereading my posts, or have someone read them for you. Yet another old and tired angle of resorting to slights and personal shots I see. Usually a sign of a weak footing. This is what you said and what I quoted and directly responded to. You see, the PGC can reduce or increase deer right now. SH does not change that fact. Deer numbers will be where the PGC wants them with or without SH. I got it the first time, but thanks. If the PGC wants the kill to increase, they will increase it. If they want it to decrease, they will decrease it. They can do it and have without SH. You seem to not appreciate the fact that they have done it before and they did it without SH. Or, you completely appreciate the fact but are willing to ignore it and hope other don't see how weak it is to oppose because of deer numbers based on the undeniable history of Pa deer management.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 7:51:18 GMT -5
Red, I wished you had to drive 4 hours, it might open your eyes. I wish you had a job where your busiest season is between October 1 and DEcember 15.
Put yourself in others shoes for just once. Think of others first, before yourself.
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Post by turkeykiller on Mar 3, 2016 8:23:34 GMT -5
Red, I wished you had to drive 4 hours, it might open your eyes. I wish you had a job where your busiest season is between October 1 and DEcember 15. Put yourself in others shoes for just once. Think of others first, before yourself. For years and years, millions upon millions of hunters have had to put up with the seasons, but hey, somebody has a problem, and we have to change it. Cry me a river.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 3, 2016 8:25:46 GMT -5
Yep. No change, ever.
Just let our sport wither on the vine to keep old guys happy. LOL
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