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Post by bud16057 on Apr 28, 2014 8:39:23 GMT -5
You're trying to defend the undefendable, black guns are meant to kill people, period. There is no need or Ben IFT to hunters using them. They will no add to our ranks instead they will become another division . And certainly by showing that we already have idiots amongst us this addition seems to show that your support growth in their ranks. And by saying its not about deer you guarantee that it becomes about nothing but deer. I have a .303 British SMLE that probably has had a better chance of having been used to shoot people than most of the "black rifles" privately owned in the USA. So does this make all bolt actions strictly military weapons as well??
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 9:24:42 GMT -5
You're trying to defend the undefendable, black guns are meant to kill people, period. There is no need or Ben IFT to hunters using them. They will no add to our ranks instead they will become another division . And certainly by showing that we already have idiots amongst us this addition seems to show that your support growth in their ranks. And by saying its not about deer you guarantee that it becomes about nothing but deer. I don"t have to defend anything in this case. As has been pointed out by many, most guns were originally meant to kill people. The guns you use now were meant to kill people. All that is different is that semi rifles are illegal for hunting in PA, even though they are legal most elsewhere.. Except in the SRA were semis are already legal for big game in our most heavily hunted and populated areas of the state. No "need" is interesting as well. There is no " need" for 75% or greater of our current regulations. Your slowly slipping under water, Jim. The same tired arguments that have been debunked by facts are the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 10:11:58 GMT -5
Saying that black guns are meant to kill people plays right into the anti's arsenal. IF they would see a comment on a hunting message board like this they would be all over it using it to help there agenda.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 11:06:48 GMT -5
Saying that black guns are meant to kill people plays right into the anti's arsenal. IF they would see a comment on a hunting message board like this they would be all over it using it to help there agenda. Comments such as those kinda parallel one angle with SH that some play. That the animals need a day of rest.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 28, 2014 12:25:31 GMT -5
Just exactly what animal was the AK - 47 or the M-16 designed to hunt?
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 28, 2014 12:54:08 GMT -5
And since this thread is not about deer, I will give you a hint on the answer to the above question, it ain't deer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 12:59:17 GMT -5
Let's just all go to single shots only. Anything else is just unnecessary.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 13:03:04 GMT -5
Just exactly what animal was the AK - 47 or the M-16 designed to hunt? What animal was the 1889 Belgium Mauser designed to hunt? One could hunt a variety of game with it now if one so chose to.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 28, 2014 13:04:13 GMT -5
I'm fine with things just as they are thank you. Save the assault weapons for street battles and wars. I ain't sckeeerd of the woodchucks round Here yet.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 14:03:12 GMT -5
I'm fine with things just as they are thank you. Thats cool. No one is forcing ya to do anything, even if the change was made. Use what you want to and maybe some day others can use what they want to as well.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 28, 2014 14:46:14 GMT -5
No its not cool! Its stupid, it seems until hunting is an unregulated free for all some of you will never quit complaining.
To tell you the truth I myself Dont need rules to follow as I am quite disaplend, others I can't say the same for, that's just part of living in a regulated society. A concept some of you are void of.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 28, 2014 15:10:19 GMT -5
We have laws against robbing banks why?
Oh yea idiots rob banks!
We have laws against drunk driving why?
Oh yea,idiots get drunk and drive!
We have plenty of laws to protect those of us whom Dont strive to be idiots from those of you that do.
Simple rules and some unburdening regulations are the price we pay to co exist with others whom have different likes , tastes and tolerances. They are not all bad.
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Post by Muab Dib on Apr 28, 2014 15:14:55 GMT -5
Ya know Jim...I'm almost with you on this one. After semi auto's are passed what's next on the agenda? Always seems to be something. And where will it stop. I don't know, just ask'n...seems we always want something more, something "for me"...I don't know, just seems...ah forget it...I'll go rouge and just forget that damn "booklet"...
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 15:50:55 GMT -5
We have laws against robbing banks why? Oh yea idiots rob banks! We have laws against drunk driving why? Oh yea,idiots get drunk and drive! We have plenty of laws to protect those of us whom Dont strive to be idiots from those of you that do. Simple rules and some unburdening regulations are the price we pay to co exist with others whom have different likes , tastes and tolerances. They are not all bad. Some want laws against owning a Glock. Why? Because we can own a revolver. Some want laws against gas guzzlers. Why? Because a smart car can get you where you want to go. Simple rules and unburdening regulations is the price we pay to coexist with others. They are not all bad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 16:28:39 GMT -5
Ya know Jim...I'm almost with you on this one. After semi auto's are passed what's next on the agenda? Always seems to be something. And where will it stop. I don't know, just ask'n...seems we always want something more, something "for me"...I don't know, just seems...ah forget it...I'll go rouge and just forget that damn "booklet"... Muab Amen Muab!! Ole Jim ain't "loosing ground" by a long shot as some erroneously contends here!! lol I & know of many others who have pressed some buttons pretty hard in connection with this & am fairly optimistic bill will not be passed if even introduced. Just a hunch!
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 16:42:35 GMT -5
]Amen Muab!! Ole Jim ain't "loosing ground" by a long shot as some erroneously contends here!! lol I & know of many others who have pressed some buttons pretty hard in connection with this & am fairly optimistic bill will not be passed if even introduced.http://images.proboards.com/v5/bbcode/bold.png Just a hunch! Actually the losing ground comment was in regards to gun rights. We are losing ground. We will lose more if gun owners play into the baseless fears, stereotypes and assumptions of the antigunners as some do here. Why do you oppose the use of semis for groundhogs, foxes and coyotes, Loggy?
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Post by dougell on Apr 28, 2014 17:14:28 GMT -5
Ya know Jim...I'm almost with you on this one. After semi auto's are passed what's next on the agenda? Always seems to be something. And where will it stop. I don't know, just ask'n...seems we always want something more, something "for me"...I don't know, just seems...ah forget it...I'll go rouge and just forget that damn "booklet"... Muab As time goes on,I see many changes that I like and many that I don't.There's nothing I can do about the one's I don't like but I can embrace the one's that I do like.I've gotten to the point where it's just easier to focus on things I can do instead of worrying about the things I can't.That may be a cop out but it's the way I feel.I'll just try to make time to hunt and teach my kids what I feel is the right way to do it and let everyone else sort out the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 17:24:43 GMT -5
]Amen Muab!! Ole Jim ain't "loosing ground" by a long shot as some erroneously contends here!! lol I & know of many others who have pressed some buttons pretty hard in connection with this & am fairly optimistic bill will not be passed if even introduced.http://images.proboards.com/v5/bbcode/bold.png Just a hunch! Actually the losing ground comment was in regards to gun rights. We are losing ground. We will lose more if gun owners play into the baseless fears, stereotypes and assumptions of the antigunners as some do here. Why do you oppose the use of semis for groundhogs, foxes and coyotes, Loggy? I feel that a carte blanche allowance of ALL semi's which include the black guns to be used for groundhogs, foxes & yotes unnessesarily exposes our sport to undesirable/adverse public exposure going forward. If all users would be like me...I would 100% support but unfortunately our make-up of such weapons owners ain't like me or you & you know that. I think our regs as current are just fine and don't impose any hardship on our sporting community. The more we grope & reach for more, more, more, more......I think such will eventually come back to grab us in the arse posing harm on our sport. I was at my range this past weekend & there were 4 others there with black guns spraying several human targets with my guess 1,000 plus rounds... sounded like .223's. I was trying to get a break in testing my shotgun patterning by putting a target out. They gave me a look like what the hell am I even doing there. This has happened in the past. Lets not open the gates for these types to start spraying our precious hunting woods. What we have is ALL we need irregardless of what you desire.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 17:30:16 GMT -5
This is already legal for deer in the SRA. This is not legal for groundhogs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 17:34:08 GMT -5
Because what works for every other state won't work here because PA for some reason is some kind of odd state where it won't work because we are a completely different then the rest of the 49.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 17:44:25 GMT -5
I would 100% support but unfortunately our make-up of such weapons owners ain't like me or you & you know that. You support law abiding citizens owning semi automatic handguns and rifles for personal defense that "ain't like you and I", I believe. Is it the gun or the person behind the gun? We have tons of data from the SRA which show no one has noticed that semis are legal for big game and the safety record has been stellar, compared to areas outside of the SRA. Then, on top of that, semis are legal for hunting in most states. I see no ill effects to the sporting community as a result of that there or here, where they are already legal. Happens all the time but we are talking hunting and not recreational shooting. I don't hunt like I do when I am shooting for fun. Desires have led to crossbow inclusion, extra doe tags, early muzzleloader season, traditonal only flintlock season etc... All of which you support. None of them were "needed". A rifle season of three weeks statewide would take care of it all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 18:06:03 GMT -5
I would 100% support but unfortunately our make-up of such weapons owners ain't like me or you & you know that. You support law abiding citizens owning semi automatic handguns and rifles for personal defense that "ain't like you and I", I believe. Is it the gun or the person behind the gun? We have tons of data from the SRA which show no one has noticed that semis are legal for big game and the safety record has been stellar, compared to areas outside of the SRA. Then, on top of that, semis are legal for hunting in most states. I see no ill effects to the sporting community as a result of that there or here, where they are already legal. Happens all the time but we are talking hunting and not recreational shooting. I don't hunt like I do when I am shooting for fun. Desires have led to crossbow inclusion, extra doe tags, early muzzleloader season, traditonal only flintlock season etc... All of which you support. None of them were "needed". A rifle season of three weeks statewide would take care of it all. Ridge...there you go again selectively sniping posts/quoting mere segments to support whatever your mission may be! I responded to your post with a FULL QUOTE...why do you continually find the need to continually snip out mere segments thereby losing context of entire continuos post & then feed on that. Reason is quite obvious but ain't working my friend. As I told you time & time again...I'm totally open to cordially having as meaningfiul converstation discussing/debating issues with you but you for some reason cannot comprehend the aforementioned. I just graciously put you on IGNOR...hey your my first on the list!! lol
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 18:22:05 GMT -5
In case you didn't put me on ignore, here is the only part I didn't quote.
Did that somehow change the context of what I quoted, which was 90% of your post?..... Nope....
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 28, 2014 18:38:20 GMT -5
"I would 100% support but unfortunately our make-up of such weapons owners ain't like me or you & you know that."
That's about the dumbest post I've ever read! You might as well surrender your weapons!
I don't own these rifles we're arguing over, but I have more than a few friends that do, and they are no different than me or you!
This argument is just plain stupid!!!!!
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 28, 2014 19:08:26 GMT -5
"I would 100% support but unfortunately our make-up of such weapons owners ain't like me or you & you know that." That's about the dumbest post I've ever read! You might as well surrender your weapons! I don't own these rifles we're arguing over, but I have more than a few friends that do, and they are no different than me or you! This argument is just plain stupid!!!!! Amen to that!
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