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Post by Dutch on Apr 8, 2013 20:24:28 GMT -5
That is why I mentioned NRCS in the one post. The mixes I saw for CREP never had enough switch in them, and I wondered how you guys were able to plant more in the mix.
We have 18 acres of WSG's at our club and it needs more switch. Once late winter comes, the WSG's are flattened, and the switch is still standing, what little there is.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 8, 2013 20:33:13 GMT -5
Lynn, we here have found that some folks from over there, come here and use the same mannerisms that they feel they need to use over there, to get a point across. They soon find out they can just be hunters sitting around a campfire discussing an issue.
There are those here that you will never convince to support the WPRA's. There are those that ARE seeking info and education, and there are those that you can change.
But, you won't change or educate folks with the same stuff that goes on over there.
This place IS different and will remain so, I hope.
So, educate us with more of the good stuff you just posted, and that goes for Fldbred as well.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 8, 2013 20:44:09 GMT -5
And thank you for being here educating people.
That was one of the primary purposes of this board.
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 8, 2013 20:48:54 GMT -5
Educate me? Wouldn't our monies be better spent on native birds like grouse and such. Pheasants aren't even suppose to be here, right? or did I get some mis-information at some point?
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Post by Dutch on Apr 8, 2013 20:53:16 GMT -5
Brown trout aren't supposed to be here either, yet we have wild browns in many streams.
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 8, 2013 21:00:29 GMT -5
Wonder if thier introduction had a negative impact on native Brookies? Didn't know that Brad. Maybe we shoud fish them out.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 8, 2013 21:20:45 GMT -5
There was an impact on natives brookies.
Not sure I see an impact with pheasants here. In addition, the grasses these guys are putting in, sure do help a great deal of wildlife.
When we did the flushing survey, we flushed a number of threatened owls, and a few bunnies. Saw lots of fox crap as well. More than I've seen in a long time.
Other "stuff" benefits from these efforts.
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 8, 2013 21:27:15 GMT -5
That's cool. I've got nothing against pheasants, but it just seems strange to me that such an effort is being made for a non native species.
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Post by Roosterslammer on Apr 8, 2013 22:33:18 GMT -5
It's not strange at all. 80,000 pheasant hunters in pa like to hunt them. Honey bees are not native but a lot of people are glad they're here.
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 9, 2013 5:16:03 GMT -5
Yep, bees are very beneficial to agriculture that's for sure.
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Post by dougell on Apr 9, 2013 7:58:37 GMT -5
This project interests me.I refuse to hunt stocked birds because,well they're stocked.Wild pheasants are a different story and I'll probably never hunt them because we really don't have the habitat in this part of the state.I will say that I'd rather see them spend the money on these habitat projects to increase the likelihood of having wild pheasants,plus it helps other wildlife as well.I'm sure there's a certain amount of experimentation and they'll learn more as they go.It's kinda hard to put a price tag on that knowledge.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 9, 2013 9:47:46 GMT -5
I could take you to the very spot I shot my first rooster and that was a looonge time ago.
If you want to see excitement in a kids eye, just flush a couple of those cackling colorful roosters in front of them.
Calvin Earnst has planted thousands of acres of switch grass here in Crawford county, with luck our small game will utilize it, deer certainly like it.
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Post by Roosterslammer on Apr 9, 2013 10:43:02 GMT -5
The Ernst comment is interesting. I wonder if Ernst would be interested in the wild pheasant program. Do they harvest the grass other than the seed harvest? If they have thousands of acres of switch, it sounds like a great place for a wild bird release. If there is other agriculture around the Enst ground, it should fly. Pheasants do not live by grass alone. The grass/crop combination is where they flourish.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 9, 2013 10:55:05 GMT -5
Heres the link. www.ernstseed.com/The switch grass is part of Obama's renewable energy plan. they are producing hockey puck size burnable pellets to burn and produce energy. Dumb idea, but we have lots of switch grass standing all winter and harvested in the spring.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 12:01:15 GMT -5
Stroupy, there is some history here with a few of the posters from other forums. I have done nothing but provide them with info and they keep bringing up the same issues. It didn't work at the old place anymore so it continued here. I didn't appreciate it. Sorry you got hit with some of shrapnel. Lord give patience because if you give me strength, I'm going to need bail money to go with it Well lets let what happened at HPA stay at HPA. I find I like people more here than I did at HPA because they kept things volatile over there by design and guys just naturally reacted to that. Over here it's more civil and we act more like friends. If you stick around you'll find things aren't so uptight and not every thread erupts into an argument around here. When the right people run a site it runs smoothly and they don't need to ban everyone in sight. That guy that runs the other site isn't fit to run anything but his own personal fan club.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 9, 2013 12:32:05 GMT -5
Heres the link. www.ernstseed.com/The switch grass is part of Obama's renewable energy plan. they are producing hockey puck size burnable pellets to burn and produce energy. Dumb idea, but we have lots of switch grass standing all winter and harvested in the spring. I've read about his project up there. Not sure it will fly, but, he's trying.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 9, 2013 12:50:03 GMT -5
The program has its pluses and minuses, it took a lot of ground out of farm production, but with clean farming practices theres not much left after harvest any ways, the switch grass being harvested in the spring leaves plenty of over winter cover. But now they are finding clean farming practices work for them too we they are removing fence lines and ditches as to enlarge Fields to increase production.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 9, 2013 13:15:56 GMT -5
When they take it off in the spring, there goes nesting cover.
Do they harvest all of it every year tho? Just curious.
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Post by bawanajim on Apr 9, 2013 13:32:38 GMT -5
There are all different stages of the stuff planted all around the county, I don't think any givin area is large enough to accommodate pheasants in any real numbers as the fields are spread over the county. The great thing is deer, they love it, great cover for them and rabbits. When the PGC finds out it benefits deer I'm sure they will ban planting the stuff. The other down fall is it has driving the production of hay way down, and the price of hay way up, I'm sure Doug has experienced this aspect of its production.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 13:51:10 GMT -5
Stroupy, there is some history here with a few of the posters from other forums. I have done nothing but provide them with info and they keep bringing up the same issues. It didn't work at the old place anymore so it continued here. I didn't appreciate it. Sorry you got hit with some of shrapnel. Lord give patience because if you give me strength, I'm going to need bail money to go with it That's ok I see where you coming from. We have a good base of misfit's here we all have been banished by another unnamed site and started this little forum here. I haven't had a problem with any. Nobody has been banned other then guru who comes back every time under a different name just to bash dutch and gal. Keep coming here you will like it as Mike said we aren't at each others throats like over there.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 9, 2013 14:38:19 GMT -5
PGC has been planting warm season grasses and switchgrass for many years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 16:57:45 GMT -5
Stroupy, there is some history here with a few of the posters from other forums. I have done nothing but provide them with info and they keep bringing up the same issues. It didn't work at the old place anymore so it continued here. I didn't appreciate it. Sorry you got hit with some of shrapnel. Lord give patience because if you give me strength, I'm going to need bail money to go with it roosterslammer...now that we all cleared the air by bustin a few balls back & forth(me beng guilty included ;D) Why not post-up a thread re what your program is all about?? I don't have a clue as likely many here also & would love to learn and mebbie in someway help out going forward. I am very interested as I cut my teeth hunting the magnificant pheasant here in York County back in the 60'-70's. I very much look forward in learning more whut you & your efforts are all about plus entertaining some friendly dialog!!
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Post by Fldbred on Apr 9, 2013 18:04:36 GMT -5
Gentlemen, If Mr. Appleman decides to continue to post on this message board consider yourselves mighty lucky. His knowledge of the pheasant program is SECOND TO NONE! Like I mentioned earlier, there are very knowledgeable people that won't come anywhere near one of these sites, and that's a shame. Let's be honest, you boys were having a good time bashing the program, I noticed the same thing and logged in to try and shed some positive light. Quite frankly I don't know where Lynn get's his patience. Maybe this will be the site were some of those very special people feel comfortable enough to come and talk about hunting in the state of Pennsylvania. Wouldn't it be nice to talk to Shon Robbins ,"Pheasants Forever Biologists" Mr. Scott Klinger, or Colleen DeLong etc.. Hey we can all hope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 19:20:05 GMT -5
Gentlemen, If Mr. Appleman decides to continue to post on this message board consider yourselves mighty lucky. His knowledge of the pheasant program is SECOND TO NONE! Like I mentioned earlier, there are very knowledgeable people that won't come anywhere near one of these sites, and that's a shame. Let's be honest, you boys were having a good time bashing the program, I noticed the same thing and logged in to try and shed some positive light. Quite frankly I don't know where Lynn get's his patience. Maybe this will be the site were some of those very special people feel comfortable enough to come and talk about hunting in the state of Pennsylvania. Wouldn't it be nice to talk to Shon Robbins ,"Pheasants Forever Biologists" Mr. Scott Klinger, or Colleen DeLong etc.. Hey we can all hope. Guess I should consider myself so very blessed if Mr. Appleman so graciously continues to post here. FWIW....Ive never heard of this individual but am most willing to entertain whut he has to offer here if such can be conveyed in a respectful/cordial manner!
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Post by rober on Apr 9, 2013 19:53:12 GMT -5
If/when the pheasant program has huntable numbers how will the PGC handle hunting for them. Now in the elk program you need a special permit to hunt them which doesnt allow land owners to hunt them unless they are lucky to draw a permit. In the WPRA's will the PGC go with a permit system to allow all hunters access to this resource. Now anyone can hunt small game with a regular liscence.
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