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Post by whilekioti on Aug 9, 2017 16:06:58 GMT -5
There's no shame in using a crossbow and they make you no less of a hunter.To say that there isn't much of a difference is way off base.I used to test hunters for a hunt.You have to shoot 3 out 5 BH's in a 6" circle at 20 yards.Not many fail with a crossbow but more than 50% failed with a compound.It was actually scary to watch. Agreed...were you able to determine if the failures were primarily due to a lack of skill/practice...or a lack of knowledge...such as a improperly tuned bow, or believing their broad heads will hit the same POI as their practice tips without checking?
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Post by dougell on Aug 9, 2017 16:22:18 GMT -5
There were a lot of untuned bows and mismatched equipt but the vast majority couldn't even pass the test with fieldpoints.Actually,most used mechanicals.Flintlocks were also allowed to be used and you had to pass the same test but at 30 yards instead of 20.Even with a shooting stick,most failed miserably.The average guy really doesn't put much effort into shooting any weapon and the results bear that out.We used to have a standing deer shoot at our sportsmans club and it amazed me how few guys could actually consistently the vitals of a deer offhand at 100 yards.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 9, 2017 17:15:02 GMT -5
What's the commercial say; something like 3 inch groups at 100 yards? smileys-whistling-823718 Scopes, bipods, sand bags, no movement to draw the thing...........harder to use! Sing it, dave, maybe somebody will dance. confused-smiley-013 I doubt we'll agree on this. Maybe we should quit spinning the wheels.......... You traditional guys don't have to worry about wheels, do you?
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Post by whilekioti on Aug 9, 2017 18:30:01 GMT -5
There were a lot of untuned bows and mismatched equipt but the vast majority couldn't even pass the test with fieldpoints.Actually,most used mechanicals.Flintlocks were also allowed to be used and you had to pass the same test but at 30 yards instead of 20.Even with a shooting stick,most failed miserably.The average guy really doesn't put much effort into shooting any weapon and the results bear that out.We used to have a standing deer shoot at our sportsmans club and it amazed me how few guys could actually consistently the vitals of a deer offhand at 100 yards. That IS scary.
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Post by dougell on Aug 14, 2017 17:17:06 GMT -5
yesterday I had take my son to qualify for this hunt now that he's 12.We were in the midst of a baseball tournament so he took his shots and we left.When we got there,there were about 20 or so guys standing around to shoot.The only compound bow was the one my son was shooting.We didn't stick around to watch so I have no idea if they all passed or not.I'm not complaining but the tide has definitely turned.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 14, 2017 18:50:51 GMT -5
Yes it has. Most will stay with them and they won't know what they are missing.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 15, 2017 7:18:46 GMT -5
Yes it has. Most will stay with them and they won't know what they are missing. I hunted with a compound for 20 plus years. Now that I shoot a crossbow, I don't feel any different before, during, or after I kill a deer. I still get shaky once I think I may get a shot. I get amped up when the animal is close and I have decisions to make. My heart rate and breathing increase. I hope for the best shot I can make. I take my time tracking. If successful I thank the creator and cherish the kill. From there the works begins. Maybe its just me?
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Post by redarrow on Aug 15, 2017 7:58:42 GMT -5
Oh, it's not just you, ridge. I know lots of guys who don't get it. Not that there's anything wrong with it. If it's legal, and it's satisfies you, do it.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 15, 2017 8:10:09 GMT -5
Oh, it's not just you, ridge. I know lots of guys who don't get it. Not that there's anything wrong with it. If it's legal, and it's satisfies you, do it. I don't really see any difference in the feeling of success between compound/crossbow. Now, If I took a deer with my longbow, I am sure it would feel much different. Same with my first deer with a flintlock. That was pretty rewarding for sure.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 15, 2017 8:30:26 GMT -5
I did expect you did, ridge. And I agree that traditional archery would be the most rewarding way to do it. I hunted my first couple years with a recurve but never shot an arrow-one deer and done in those days.
I will be retiring soon and have a few pieces of hickory that my son split out and has been drying in the attic for several years. If I can get a decent self bow made from one of them, killing a deer with it will be my goal. If not, one of our recurves will be the choice. I would like to add more challenge to my hunting..... I sure don't want to move the other direction.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 15, 2017 9:04:23 GMT -5
I would like to add more challenge to my hunting..... I sure don't want to move the other direction. Its all good. To me, the hunt is why I am there. I get excited as the moment of truth nears regardless of the weapon I carry.
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Post by freezer on Oct 14, 2017 5:33:14 GMT -5
Are there no real men left in the world? What ever happened to the knife in teeth technique?
Climb a tree, when the deer walks under the tree jump on its back with the knife in your teeth and cut its throat.
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Post by davet on Oct 14, 2017 7:13:17 GMT -5
Are there no real men left in the world? What ever happened to the knife in teeth technique? Climb a tree, when the deer walks under the tree jump on its back with the knife in your teeth and cut its throat. Actually, I think by law that's illegal.
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Post by redarrow on Oct 14, 2017 15:21:24 GMT -5
Do/can hunting ethics have anything to do with the crutches technology we use to make things easier for us to make a kill? There are cameras that send live info to smart phones, timed feeders, ozonics and hex suits, estrus lures, decoys, rifles that shoot arrows, and on and on................ Is shooting from the window of a parked pick up any different than using a pop up ground blind. Is having 20 guys push through a small wood lot to force the deer to run for their lives into hunters with rifles blocking their escape routes sporting?
To many, as long as they kill a deer, they're fine with all of it.
Some hunt for the kill, others for much more than that. If we want to make a check list of obstacles that can possibly give our game an advantage, and then do all we can to eliminate each and every one of them by using technology, hunting will be as rewarding as watching your favorite NFL team win a preseason football game. All IMHO, of course.
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Post by buzz on Oct 14, 2017 15:37:21 GMT -5
Got to say Red, I know a lot of hunters, and all of us do not hunt with the same methods .......but we all get along just fine. While I am not fond of some of the changes, I realize they don't effect me all that much.
I never saw a person as obsessed with the fact that if a hunter does not hunt the way you do, with the weapons you use, in the same fashion you choose, they are not true hunters.........
your previous post clearly shows that your animosity goes far beyond crossbows.............
I do hope that you can turn all that animosity off when you get time afield, and enjoy your hunt without worrying about how others are hunting that particular day.
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Post by cspot on Oct 14, 2017 15:47:30 GMT -5
Got to say Red, I know a lot of hunters, and all of us do not hunt with the same methods .......but we all get along just fine. While I am not fond of some of the changes, I realize they don't effect me all that much. I never saw a person as obsessed with the fact that if a hunter does not hunt the way you do, with the weapons you use, in the same fashion you choose, they are not true hunters......... your previous post clearly shows that your animosity goes far beyond crossbows............. I do hope that you can turn all that animosity off when you get time afield, and enjoy your hunt without worrying about how others are hunting that particular day. I agree.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 14, 2017 16:19:20 GMT -5
Got to say Red, I know a lot of hunters, and all of us do not hunt with the same methods .......but we all get along just fine. While I am not fond of some of the changes, I realize they don't effect me all that much. I never saw a person as obsessed with the fact that if a hunter does not hunt the way you do, with the weapons you use, in the same fashion you choose, they are not true hunters......... your previous post clearly shows that your animosity goes far beyond crossbows............. I do hope that you can turn all that animosity off when you get time afield, and enjoy your hunt without worrying about how others are hunting that particular day. Agree as well. Red, even with all these improvements, the deer still have advantages. You use a treestand? My one brother feels they are unethical. Different strokes...... BTW, do you still use a horse and buggy?
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Post by redarrow on Oct 14, 2017 19:11:14 GMT -5
But the question I ask is, is there a limit to the lengths hunters can go to before we cross a line between what is ethical and what is not? I use some of the methods in my post. I see nothing wrong with many of the methods I would not use. But, from the responses, I guess electronics, feeders, and some of the other methods that will become available as technology advances will be welcomed with open arms by most. So, I suppose is a good thing we have a game commission to set rules that limit what we are allowed to do to kill the game we hunt.
Is there any such thing as ethics, in hunting or in other matters? Or, is it all up to what each of us can do with a clear conscience? -----no offense intended to even those with the thinnest of skins.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 14, 2017 19:39:58 GMT -5
We killed three deer at 700 yds one year. Three shots.
Ethical or unethical?
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Post by redarrow on Oct 14, 2017 20:09:00 GMT -5
Did you shoot them across lower pine creek back in the 80's? I saw some shooters set up there once when I had to drive down to jersey shore. Under the right conditions, I don't see anything unethical about shooting at extreme distances. I wouldn't do it for deer myself, but that's only because it doesn't appeal to me. I watched a guy and a kid shooting at some deer that were probably close to 400 yards away and running across afield. I do think that was unethical, especially when they didn't bother to check for blood. They continued walking back to their car and drove away.
Maybe it would be better to ask if there is any method, or technology, that hunters would agree is unethical. The cameras with live feeds to a hunters cell phone, especially during open season? Drones? Night hunting?
It's a question, not an attack.
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Post by 3212 on Oct 14, 2017 20:28:29 GMT -5
There used to be a 1,000 yard bench rest club that hunted at Pine creek.Shooting bench set up at an overlook,spotters with battleship binocs,sniper type rifles.
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Post by davet on Oct 14, 2017 20:52:37 GMT -5
I've killed groundhogs at 700 yards. Savage action, Shilen barrel, Leupold 7.5-25X scope with a varmint hunters reticle. 6.5x55 Swede traveling at 2900fps + measured 10 feet from the muzzle.
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Post by freezer on Oct 15, 2017 6:17:11 GMT -5
Let'um whatever way they want as long as it's in accordance with the law. Quiet still hunts, slow movements, a good book, great munchies and relaxing naps on the ground that's what I prefer. In place an hour before its light, out after its dark. Mono e Mono. I like my cross bow and scoped lever gun.
Ethical? One clean shot, sure rapid death, that's ethical.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 15, 2017 7:47:54 GMT -5
Did you shoot them across lower pine creek back in the 80's? I saw some shooters set up there once when I had to drive down to jersey shore. Under the right conditions, I don't see anything unethical about shooting at extreme distances. I wouldn't do it for deer myself, but that's only because it doesn't appeal to me. I watched a guy and a kid shooting at some deer that were probably close to 400 yards away and running across afield. I do think that was unethical, especially when they didn't bother to check for blood. They continued walking back to their car and drove away. Maybe it would be better to ask if there is any method, or technology, that hunters would agree is unethical. The cameras with live feeds to a hunters cell phone, especially during open season? Drones? Night hunting? It's a question, not an attack. No, we shot a few hundred yards north of Colton Point State Park.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 15, 2017 7:50:07 GMT -5
I've killed groundhogs at 700 yards. Savage action, Shilen barrel, Leupold 7.5-25X scope with a varmint hunters reticle. 6.5x55 Swede traveling at 2900fps + measured 10 feet from the muzzle. My furthest was at 835 with a 40-XB in 7 mag. Hit the second one at 835, but he made it back to his hole. Missed one by a couple inches at 990. That would have been sweet.
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