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Post by Dutch on Dec 27, 2023 22:14:22 GMT -5
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Post by Dutch on Dec 27, 2023 22:24:47 GMT -5
I'm curious how they enforce the camera laws
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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 28, 2023 7:25:34 GMT -5
Below is a summary of the changes to RSA 207:1 and RSA 207:63 regarding the use of game cameras:
All game cameras placed on private property, or on state-owned or state-managed property, must be labeled with the name and contact information of their owner in a manner visible while mounted. Name and contact information shall include either name and address or name and phone number.
No game cameras may be placed on private property without permission of the property owner unless the property owner has posted signage on the property allowing the placement of such cameras. Any such signs must be of durable material with words describing the allowable activity, such as “Game Cameras Allowed,” printed in block letters no less than 2 inches in height, and include the name and contact information of the property owner.
A game camera placed on state-owned or state-managed lands, or on municipally owned property, shall be exempt from requiring landowner permission.
“Game camera” means any device capable of recording, storing, and/or transmitting photographic or video data for any purpose.
A person using a game camera to assist with hunting may not harvest any animal viewed within the same calendar day of remotely viewing that animal from a game camera.
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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 28, 2023 7:31:59 GMT -5
That is about as much over regulation as I have seen in some time. How the heck does langauge like that make it through to become law?
According to the langauge every friggen Ring camera and other security type cameras are "game cameras". To top that off, the law covers both public and private lands which I am sure there will be quite a bit of non compiance on private lands especially from landowners who don't feel like they need to post all of their personal information on their pwn properties.
Also, interesting langauge about harvesting an animal within one calendar day after remote viewing of the image. I guess you pull a card and look at the images on your phone then kill, but can't view images on your phone via a cell game and kill.
No way to enforce that langauge fairly.....................
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Post by Loggy on Dec 28, 2023 8:05:44 GMT -5
Agree..... be tough to enforce. Seems LE concerns in connection with use "game cameras" arose when cellular technology was afixed to game cameras. Such certainly opened opportunities for abuse that didn't exist prior. Not sure what the answer is.
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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 28, 2023 8:11:36 GMT -5
Kinda like Pa with its deer feeding in the CWD areas. You can feed deer in your backyard from a birdfeeder, but don't feed deer in a feeder 50 yards behind the fenceline.
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Post by Dutch on Dec 28, 2023 8:36:40 GMT -5
After I killed my buck this year, I checked my trail cams and saw he was on 2 of them the night before. Using OnX measuring tools, he was killed 1100 yds, straight line, from the closest camera.
So, if I see him on a cell camera, and I'm hunting 3/4 of a mile away from the camera, I can't kill him? That's nuts, just nuts
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Post by Dutch on Dec 28, 2023 8:47:31 GMT -5
Had I checked a camera that morning, then see that buck at 125 yds in the woods, there was no way I could easily identify that specific rack as belonging to him.
I would think a magistrate would throw out a charge in many cases
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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 28, 2023 9:19:00 GMT -5
Traffic cameras? Law enforcement body cameras? Someone taking a photo in a park? All "game cameras" under that langauge. I just don't get how language like that actually moves through the process. Ridiculous.
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Post by fleroo on Dec 29, 2023 9:06:50 GMT -5
I can't think of another hunting "tool", that can be more UNFAIR chase, than a cell-trailcam pinging an image to a hunters phone in hunting season. If I'm hunting on my farm with a rifle, and I get a ping of a deer "across the way", that deer is more than likely going to be dead if I want it to be.
Cell-Trailcams should have to be removed during hunting seasons... period !
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Post by Dutch on Dec 29, 2023 9:14:45 GMT -5
I can't think of another hunting "tool", that can be more UNFAIR chase, than a cell-trailcam pinging an image to a hunters phone in hunting season. If I'm hunting on my farm with a rifle, and I get a ping of a deer "across the way", that deer is more than likely going to be dead if I want it to be. Cell-Trailcams should have to be removed during hunting seasons... period ! That kinda makes me laugh. Hunting pressure really changes deer habits. Cell cams are less effective during that time, not that they are all that effective to begin with
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Post by fleroo on Dec 29, 2023 9:30:16 GMT -5
If I used a Cell-Cam, it would make me laugh too, knowing I was legally allowed to knock down the Buck that I just got pinged 5 minutes prior. LOL
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Post by Dutch on Dec 29, 2023 10:50:19 GMT -5
Shows me your lack of knowledge about the capabilities of these cameras.
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Post by fleroo on Dec 29, 2023 11:00:45 GMT -5
Shows me your lack of knowledge about the capabilities of these cameras. Says the fella employing a cell-cam. Enlighten me. LOL
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Post by rusty on Dec 29, 2023 11:02:42 GMT -5
Below is a summary of the changes to RSA 207:1 and RSA 207:63 regarding the use of game cameras: All game cameras placed on private property, or on state-owned or state-managed property, must be labeled with the name and contact information of their owner in a manner visible while mounted. Name and contact information shall include either name and address or name and phone number. No game cameras may be placed on private property without permission of the property owner unless the property owner has posted signage on the property allowing the placement of such cameras. Any such signs must be of durable material with words describing the allowable activity, such as “Game Cameras Allowed,” printed in block letters no less than 2 inches in height, and include the name and contact information of the property owner. A game camera placed on state-owned or state-managed lands, or on municipally owned property, shall be exempt from requiring landowner permission. “Game camera” means any device capable of recording, storing, and/or transmitting photographic or video data for any purpose. A person using a game camera to assist with hunting may not harvest any animal viewed within the same calendar day of remotely viewing that animal from a game camera. No doubt that enforcement would be near impossible for some of that, but I like it a lot. Having a camera locate your game in real time is about as unsportsman like as one can get. We have plenty of deer in most of the state, long seasons, tons of public hunting lands, and sensible laws that make hunter success a very reasonable expectation. We don't need any more changes aimed at removing the challenge in taking game. Just one opinion.
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Post by Loggy on Dec 29, 2023 13:16:40 GMT -5
100% in agreement Rusty!!
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Post by Dutch on Dec 29, 2023 14:31:11 GMT -5
Shows me your lack of knowledge about the capabilities of these cameras. Says the fella employing a cell-cam. Enlighten me. LOL I think that you think deer in the big woods, or most anywhere, simply follow trails. They don't. Plus, these cameras only focus on specific spots 30 yds out, at best. They really are looking at a small piece of real estate. It's just not the advantage you think it is.
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Post by fleroo on Dec 29, 2023 14:35:07 GMT -5
Oh, I will give you the fact that a cell-cam in the middle of vast Potter Co woods, is different than one on a couple hundred acre farm. But it is a HUGE advantage to get pinged that a buck is heading on a trail towards the .... you name the landmark. There simply is no disputing that. No way, No how. LOL
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Post by Dutch on Dec 29, 2023 14:39:37 GMT -5
Oh, I will give you the fact that a cell-cam in the middle of vast Potter Co woods, is different than one on a couple hundred acre farm. But it is a HUGE advantage to get pinged that a buck is heading on a trail towards the .... you name the landmark. There simply is no disputing that. No way, No how. LOL Well, buy one and set it out and see how much it helps. I say it won't, but maybe I'm wrong. I doubt it
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Post by Dutch on Dec 29, 2023 14:45:03 GMT -5
My grandfather and his brothers started hunting deer with shotguns they used for small game, back 100 years ago. Eventually, they all bought rifles, then scopes. Huge advantage over a double barrel with slugs.
Now we wring our hands over so called advantages like a camera. LMBO
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Post by acorn20 on Dec 29, 2023 14:47:14 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of a hunt I had last year when I went up to my property to hunt a piebald buck in archery season. We had several pictures of him over a three year period and I knew the areas he liked to visit.
That's him on the left in the picture. Where does a piebald buck go to hide during hunting season?
One such place he liked to visit is a water hole in the middle of the property where my son has a one of those cameras that send him immediate pictures. I was on a trail heading for some pines to ambush the buck and I passed by the water hole in front of the camera. A few steps later, my phone pings. It's my son sending me a text and two pictures. The first picture is the piebald buck walking on the same trail and the second picture is me. The text simply states, "Dad, you're 5 minutes too late!" I checked the time on the first picture and sure enough, the buck was ahead of me by five minutes. I hunted the property most of the day without success.
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Post by fleroo on Dec 29, 2023 15:26:11 GMT -5
My grandfather and his brothers started hunting deer with shotguns they used for small game, back 100 years ago. Eventually, they all bought rifles, then scopes. Huge advantage over a double barrel with slugs. Now we wring our hands over so called advantages like a camera. LMBO Slug or buckshot hunting, scoped or non-scoped, certainly has HUGE disadvantages over the scoped rifle hunting of today. Absolutely NO disputing that. But, where's the correlation with getting pinged immediately, that a buck just passed camera 3 and is on it's way to the XXX landmark ? So if you walk up to the oh hell I dunno... the Pear Tree, you should see it in oh hell I dunno, 4 1/2 minutes, We's gonna agree's to diagree's. LOL
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Post by fleroo on Dec 29, 2023 15:27:52 GMT -5
You're Wrong !
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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 29, 2023 19:47:06 GMT -5
Having a camera locate your game in real time is about as unsportsman like as one can get. Unless we are fishing then we can motor around, use hi definition sonar to look at a school of crappies in a tree, then watch your jig sink down to them and enjoy the take on the screen. In that case, it is all good, lol.
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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 29, 2023 19:51:12 GMT -5
But it is a HUGE advantage to get pinged that a buck is heading on a trail towards the .... you name the landmark. There simply is no disputing that. No way, No how. LOL There is zero advantage to that because it is illegal to get pinged then try to intercept that buck in Pa.. That fact is often left out of these discussions.
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