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Post by stroupy on Jan 3, 2024 14:49:52 GMT -5
We live in the Era of taking a shed suspending it in the air and shooting deer out of it while you have breakfast cooking next to you. I don't have issues with cell cams. People text their buddies on their phones for years already. A lot of dead deer that way.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 3, 2024 15:01:52 GMT -5
And I'll never go back to standing next to a tree, freezing my plums off in a driving sleet storm. You forgot the "Buddy Heater".
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jan 3, 2024 15:18:59 GMT -5
Plums? If you are that cold it's more like prunes.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 3, 2024 15:19:11 GMT -5
And I'll never go back to standing next to a tree, freezing my plums off in a driving sleet storm. You forgot the "Buddy Heater". I was in a blind on a farm last month, and the farmer had a Buddy Heater on the wall. No point being uncomfortable. My buddy was in a farmers blind the other year and it had a funnel going into a 2 inch PVC so he could relieve himself without leaving the warmth of his blind. LOL
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 3, 2024 15:22:35 GMT -5
A drone is also capable. Any idea why they aren't legal... and only for recovery ? Our vague electronic laws. They are thrown together and enforced inconsistently. Laser rangefinders were illegal, but not enforced as such. The PGC finally put language into the electronic regs officially legalizing them. Look at flashlights now. A electronic device used while engaged in hunting or trailing game by many people. Techically illegal while deer hunting but not enforced as such. For drones, they have chosen to enforce them as illegal.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 3, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5
I bought a large Ozark Trail flashlight from Walmart a few years ago. It's rather large. I took the dog out to do his thing a few nights ago, and heard crunching in the woods. I shined the light in the woods, and immediately saw eyes, then a body moving/browsing. I was a good 100 yards away, and stunned that I could see the deer so well.
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Post by stroupy on Jan 3, 2024 15:53:21 GMT -5
And I'll never go back to standing next to a tree, freezing my plums off in a driving sleet storm. You forgot the "Buddy Heater". You might as well hunt out of your house. I don't see the fun of hunting if you are 100% comfortable waiting on a deer to show up. That's just me ill freeze my plums off before I hunt out of a shed.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 3, 2024 17:33:17 GMT -5
I don't see the fun of hunting if you are 100% comfortable waiting on a deer to show up. That's just me ill freeze my plums off before I hunt out of a shed. Couple of the folks I currently deer hunt with in rifle will sit in a shooting shack all day with their heaters. That just isn't me either. So much is missed staring out of the windows. Deer and the hunting experience in general but to each their own. If it floats your boat go for it.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 4, 2024 8:31:27 GMT -5
I was full of that same vim & vigor in my 30's too Stroupy. Then years of what I believe to be BP or Cholesterol meds, thinned out my blood to the point of not being able to feel my toes in the summertime.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 4, 2024 8:52:52 GMT -5
I agree 100%. I tell the guys that "hunt" on my place all the time, that we don't really hunt. We sit and ambush. LOL The problem with Eastern Washington County "hunting", is that you can't stretch your legs to any degree even if you wanted to. Most people here have "Farmettes", since the generational farms of years past have been divied up and sold. 20, 30, acre mini tracts. They are all posted up tight, and reserved for family/friends. I'm fortunate enough to have a larger amount of acreage. Adding in my neighbor that lets us hunt, there's about 200 acres, and I had NINE guys the first few days of rifle. How far is a fella gonna walk ? These guys are all shot in the rear. But they appreciate hobbling to their shacks or tents, and pretending to "hunt". 4 in their 70's, 4 in their late 60's, I'll be 60 this year.... and my poor son having to deal with the crotchety old yahoo's is 17 It is what it is for us down here. Now, in my teens and 20's, I ran the hills of GL 179 in Greene County, or GL 51 in Fayette County and the Mt. Davis area. I had drags that would take my 2 days now. Fayette/Somerset Co. had some deer at that time, but nothing like Greene County. Greene was polluted with deer, and here in Eastern Washington County, they were few and far between comparatively.
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Post by bushmaster on Jan 4, 2024 12:49:10 GMT -5
I've deer hunted with rifle like I use to Grouse hunt. Slow walk, kick them up, blast um! But as I grow older and the legs don't seem to get out there like they once did, I'll be constructing a shooting shack for my old arse at some point for sure.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jan 4, 2024 13:02:48 GMT -5
I think I'll get one of those new 500fps crossbows mounted on a swivel and tri pod. Get pinged when a deer approaches to wake me up and get ready. Then send up a drone to go look for the 🦌. 😃
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Post by fleroo on Jan 4, 2024 13:13:04 GMT -5
BRILLIANT !
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Post by fleroo on Jan 4, 2024 13:18:34 GMT -5
Honesty, and knock on wood, I'm physically in great shape. Can probably still jog up some of those hills I've hunted in the past. Problem is the cold. My extremities just can no longer take sitting/standing in one position. And as I said, down here, you can't really move around all day given it's "postage stamp" hunting. I guess I could always grab lad boy, and head for my old public haunts and stretch out. But seeing as how I'm the "hostest with the mostest", I'm kinda screwed.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jan 4, 2024 14:29:13 GMT -5
Given that law, and in the interest of sportsmanship, I believe the cameras that send pics in real time should be off limit for use by any licensed hunter in the state during any big game season. Two way radios and cell phones too? If not, why? We use two way radios for a lot of reasons. Keeping a drive in line. Locating a hunter that got turned around, is late, or lost. Someone needs help on a blood trail or to recover game. There's a pile of reason. One thing that has always griped me is, I can yell deer up during a drive but can use the two way. I may be close enough when I jump the deer for the watchers to hear me, but I have no way in knowing which way it's headed. all it does is alert the other hunters I saw a deer, and it may or may not be headed in your direction. As for cell phones, we don't use them. 90% of the crew in all probability isn't going to have cell service, and some don't even carry a cell when hunting. I refuse to even turn on my 2 way radio anymore, until after the drive is over, or 15 minutes after the shooting is over. Cost me the biggest buck of my life one time, won't happen again, if there's is another again.
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Post by rusty on Jan 4, 2024 15:23:41 GMT -5
Scopes, Gore Tex, tree stands, even crossbows don't tell a hunter where a deer is in real time. Neither do noncellular cameras. I know there are some hunters that would not use the new cameras to kill game if it is illegal. For them, outlawing their use during the season shouldn't make a difference.
Some folks want baiting made legal here in PA. A guy I used to work with had a feeder on a timer that he used to feed corn to the deer on his place after hunting season closed. He claimed that the sound of the feeder brought the deer into the corn within a couple minutes. Does that make any difference to the guys who want to bait. Do they see the use of such gear as ethical for anything other than urban deer vermin control?
Is there any line that should never be crossed upon which we hunters can agree?
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Post by fleroo on Jan 4, 2024 15:54:00 GMT -5
I can walk in my yard, and loudly shake a loaf of bread, OR if they're bedded a bit farther out in the woods, give a loud whistle. Within a handful of seconds more often than not, I'll hear the woods start to come alive. Then it's snack time. I'd be remiss if I didn't add, my interactions with those animals sealed the deal on why I can no longer take a Doe. My son, the same. But I was pretty much at that stage anyhow. Not sure if he'll revert back to whacking females or not ? Funny though, a Buck will NEVER come in.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 4, 2024 19:43:52 GMT -5
I think I'll get one of those new 500fps crossbows mounted on a swivel and tri pod. Get pinged when a deer approaches to wake me up and get ready. Then send up a drone to go look for the 🦌. 😃 Atta boy!! 🙂
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Post by Dutch on Jan 4, 2024 19:53:53 GMT -5
Scopes, Gore Tex, tree stands, even crossbows don't tell a hunter where a deer is in real time. Neither do noncellular cameras. I know there are some hunters that would not use the new cameras to kill game if it is illegal. For them, outlawing their use during the season shouldn't make a difference. Some folks want baiting made legal here in PA. A guy I used to work with had a feeder on a timer that he used to feed corn to the deer on his place after hunting season closed. He claimed that the sound of the feeder brought the deer into the corn within a couple minutes. Does that make any difference to the guys who want to bait. Do they see the use of such gear as ethical for anything other than urban deer vermin control? Is there any line that should never be crossed upon which we hunters can agree? I have a brother that feels hunting out of a treestand is too much of an advantage. It is an advantage, but they will be defended until you die. When I started hunting, we wore jeans with cotton long underwear, in the snow. You couldn't sit for much more than an hour before you froze. Now we sit in our tree stands, in warm clothing that allows us to sit for many hours. Heck, we even now have electric heated vests. This is just the top of the iceberg of things that make hunting "easier". In the late 20s and early 30s, my grandpa and his brothers hunted out of tents in northern Pennsylvania, in DECEMBER! My dad and friends did the same thing 1948 and 1949. Imagine that. Hard hunting. How do we compare to them? WE DON'T
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jan 5, 2024 9:36:49 GMT -5
Scopes, Gore Tex, tree stands, even crossbows don't tell a hunter where a deer is in real time. Neither do noncellular cameras. I know there are some hunters that would not use the new cameras to kill game if it is illegal. For them, outlawing their use during the season shouldn't make a difference. Some folks want baiting made legal here in PA. A guy I used to work with had a feeder on a timer that he used to feed corn to the deer on his place after hunting season closed. He claimed that the sound of the feeder brought the deer into the corn within a couple minutes. Does that make any difference to the guys who want to bait. Do they see the use of such gear as ethical for anything other than urban deer vermin control? Is there any line that should never be crossed upon which we hunters can agree? I have a brother that feels hunting out of a treestand is too much of an advantage. It is an advantage, but they will be defended until you die. When I started hunting, we wore jeans with cotton long underwear, in the snow. You couldn't sit for much more than an hour before you froze. Now we sit in our tree stands, in warm clothing that allows us to sit for many hours. Heck, we even now have electric heated vests. This is just the top of the iceberg of things that make hunting "easier". In the late 20s and early 30s, my grandpa and his brothers hunted out of tents in northern Pennsylvania, in DECEMBER! My dad and friends did the same thing 1948 and 1949. Imagine that. Hard hunting. How do we compare to them? WE DON'T Everybody wants Easy. Just how easy do you want it? The majority of those drones and cell cameras are still in their baby stage. Is a drone that you can program to fly a pattern over a specific area, and send back real time information of deer movement, along with GPS coordinates fair chase. Cell cameras give you real time info, and seeing, you know where it is, as you sit in your home or camp drinking coffee, watching TV, playing cards, working from home or eating. Can't get much easy hunting than this. Even the PGC wants easy. They said as much when they went from County to WMU, easier to manage. Deer population have exploded in some areas and are almost non existent in others, all within the same WMU. Yet those doe tags are good for the whole WMU. State land open for hunting gets hammered, private posted land is over run by deer. But it's easy to manage, not our fault the deer herd is still large, where you can't hunt. We'll just issue more doe tags next year hopefully more will be harvested, and it's more money for us too. Just how easy do you want hunting to be?
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Post by Dutch on Jan 5, 2024 13:04:44 GMT -5
There is a big difference seeing a buck on a camera from home or camp. Not even sure what you mean by that.
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Post by dougl on Jan 5, 2024 14:13:14 GMT -5
I belong t a lease with a handful of younger fellas who have an addiction to cell cams.You literally can't go anywhere on the 1500 acres without seeing one.I don't know of them ever killing a buck by intercepting one a few minutes after they got a picture.They do however have a much easier time patterning them and it works.I could care less as I don't compete with them.However,to me it's pushing the envelope of fair chase.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 5, 2024 14:23:50 GMT -5
I'd suspect the younger guys on your lease, are hardcore bowhunters, as so many younger folks are nowadays ? I also think getting a "ping" in rifle season, is a much different type of useful ping, than getting one while standing 15' up in a climber stand holding a bow.
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Post by dougl on Jan 5, 2024 14:36:57 GMT -5
These guys didn't kill a single deer in archery season with their crossbows even though they put forth a valient effort.They hunt the piss out of it in rifle season and they're hunting the piss out of it right now.They drive the crap out of it starting the first day of rifle and every day after that.It was open to the public up until last year when it was sold and put up to lease.I liked it much better then because you had to walk in.We have our own locks for the gates and it's a free for all.It's close to home and worth it during archery season but it's a zoo after rifle starts.
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Post by rusty on Jan 11, 2024 13:28:47 GMT -5
Scopes, Gore Tex, tree stands, even crossbows don't tell a hunter where a deer is in real time. Neither do noncellular cameras. I know there are some hunters that would not use the new cameras to kill game if it is illegal. For them, outlawing their use during the season shouldn't make a difference. Some folks want baiting made legal here in PA. A guy I used to work with had a feeder on a timer that he used to feed corn to the deer on his place after hunting season closed. He claimed that the sound of the feeder brought the deer into the corn within a couple minutes. Does that make any difference to the guys who want to bait. Do they see the use of such gear as ethical for anything other than urban deer vermin control? Is there any line that should never be crossed upon which we hunters can agree? I have a brother that feels hunting out of a treestand is too much of an advantage. It is an advantage, but they will be defended until you die. When I started hunting, we wore jeans with cotton long underwear, in the snow. You couldn't sit for much more than an hour before you froze. Now we sit in our tree stands, in warm clothing that allows us to sit for many hours. Heck, we even now have electric heated vests. This is just the top of the iceberg of things that make hunting "easier". In the late 20s and early 30s, my grandpa and his brothers hunted out of tents in northern Pennsylvania, in DECEMBER! My dad and friends did the same thing 1948 and 1949. Imagine that. Hard hunting. How do we compare to them? WE DON'T Not sure what your brother has against hunting from a tree. Does he believe natives never climbed to an elevated position to ambush their game? Me in a tree with a bow and arrow is still at a great disadvantage to any rifle hunter in any position. My position on real-time cameras has nothing to do with making things harder for a hunter, unless locating, or positioning oneself near the expected travel way, is considered a hardship that is too much of a challenge for the hunter. Is there a line that cannot be crossed if the method of taking game is to be considered fair chase? Should as much of the challenge be taken out of hunting so that success is easier for all? I suppose we all hunt for our own reasons. And we all get something unique to ourselves from the way we hunt. The way I kill a deer means as much as any other thing to me when I hunt-and probably 75% of them have been from a treestand, or at least while standing on the limb of a tree. I dont think most hunters buy these with the idea of using them to take deer unethically. Most just like getting the pics sent to their phone. If I get one that'll be the reason. I would think the real time cell cameras would be a very good way for a guy to become a very effective turkey hunter. Maybe that's the hunter that will put them to their best use?
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