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Post by bawanajim on May 19, 2016 7:19:45 GMT -5
If everyone that wants to hunt on Sunday would just buy a farm and join the PFB then it would have no one objecting to it and shazam, Sunday hunting!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 7:22:50 GMT -5
If dog poop was gold, I would be rich, Jim.
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Post by bawanajim on May 19, 2016 7:46:25 GMT -5
If dog poop was gold, I would be rich, Jim. George You could buy a little farm, a place for mini horses, and tiny goats, their all the rage nowa days. And a whole bunch of them little yappy wiener dogs that people dress funny!
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2016 7:48:45 GMT -5
I would be happy if the PFB wasn't so two faced and acted like a professional organization in these discussions. I really don't care if they oppose it. It is how they oppose it that should have everyone that claims to the friend of sportsman concerned.
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Post by bawanajim on May 19, 2016 7:59:38 GMT -5
Oh I'm concerned....
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Post by bawanajim on May 19, 2016 8:05:47 GMT -5
Cows produce huge amounts of methane gas, that's something that should concern us all.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2016 8:06:20 GMT -5
Oh I'm concerned.... You should be since the PFB claims that non hunters have to be fearful of you when you are hunting. In their eyes, you are very unsafe with little regard for those around you. Unless, of course, the PFB has "needs" then they forget about what they said about you in the press and ask for you and others to assist them via hunting. Every PFB member that is a true friend of sportsman should have asked for the resignation of the press secretary and its leadership over comments made about hunters in the press that have been long accepted as factually false, inflammatory, and misleading.
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Post by bawanajim on May 19, 2016 8:10:30 GMT -5
Oh I'm concerned.... You should be since the PFB claims that non hunters have to be fearful of you when you are hunting. In their eyes, you are very unsafe with little regard for those around you. Unless, of course, the PFB has "needs" then they forget about what they said about you in the press and ask for you and others to assist them via hunting. And I hate it when that happens......
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2016 8:12:01 GMT -5
And I hate it when that happens...... Are you a member?
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Post by GlennD on May 19, 2016 8:12:24 GMT -5
I was impressed with the representatives of PFSC and USP. The guy from the NRA, as in the past, was less than stellar. Yes. I was surprised at the NRA guy. He had the delivery and demeanor of a Sleazy lawyer. I would have thought the NRA would have a more polished representative. One thing in the testimony which I think is disjoint from the thinking of many is the potential Sunday's that may be added if passed. Much of the testimony only talked about 3-4 days being added which points to the Sunday's in big game seasons. This is the most contentious part of the equation. Some people are worried about an impact on deer numbers. However, I guess keeping the number of Sunday's a low number is intended to appease the hikers and equestrians. We should be honest. The potential is there to have Sunday hunting for small game and archery seasons, which may include a dozen Sunday's between October and the end of December. By the way, the horse guy was whining about not being able to use trails through the game lands on Sunday. I don't see a problem with joint use even though those horse people did not pay for the game lands and all they do is leave road apples littered about. I don't think most hunters would shoot a horse mistakenly for a deer, but requiring orange to be displayed on game lands during open season is not unreasonable.
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Post by bawanajim on May 19, 2016 8:15:31 GMT -5
The farmers I know, only want me to "assist" them when they're baling hay.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2016 8:18:13 GMT -5
The farmers I know, only want me to "assist" them when they're baling hay. I know you have a history of equating comments directed at the PFB as also being directed at farmers, but lets try it again. They aren't. Are you a member of the PFB?
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Post by bawanajim on May 19, 2016 8:21:11 GMT -5
The farmers I know, only want me to "assist" them when they're baling hay. I know you have a history of equating comments directed at the PFB as also being directed at farmers, but lets try it again. They aren't. And the PFB is the sole reason why we don't have Sunday hunting in PA... coffeespit
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2016 8:23:33 GMT -5
And the PFB is the sole reason why we don't have Sunday hunting in PA... coffeespit Did I ever say it was? Nope. coffeespit.... Are you a member of the PFB?
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Post by davet on May 19, 2016 11:40:31 GMT -5
Bear season is stupid without the Sunday. Would make going up easier as to know you don't have to blow a day of vacation for Sunday when you can't hunt. It's dumb they don't let you hunt and then end it on Tuesday. I don't see why that's dumb. Oh wait.....I don't work. I thought that was the new trend these days......just don't work. stirthepot
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Post by Dutch on May 19, 2016 11:55:48 GMT -5
I would be satisfied to see, as a good start, one single Sunday added to hunting season, that being the day after the Saturday opener for bear season. Failing that, go back to opening bear season on the Monday before Thanksgiving. Opening the season on Saturday makes absolutely no sense at all unless you can hunt the next day. Once those against Sunday hunting for whatever reason saw how much that improved bear season, some of the negative vibes would disappear. Most of the non-religious objections to Sunday hunting revolve around wanting more deer, but the deer harvest is controlled by the number of antlerless tags issued, not the number of days available to hunt. The issue of a horribly increased harvest if a Sunday was available to hunt is a red herring. It got more hunters to hunt bears, including youth.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 12:15:39 GMT -5
Bear season is stupid without the Sunday. Would make going up easier as to know you don't have to blow a day of vacation for Sunday when you can't hunt. It's dumb they don't let you hunt and then end it on Tuesday. I don't see why that's dumb. Oh wait.....I don't work. I thought that was the new trend these days......just don't work. stirthepot It's easier to have others work for you... Easier on your back
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Post by Dutch on May 19, 2016 14:25:06 GMT -5
I was impressed with the representatives of PFSC and USP. The guy from the NRA, as in the past, was less than stellar. Yes. I was surprised at the NRA guy. He had the delivery and demeanor of a Sleazy lawyer. I would have thought the NRA would have a more polished representative. One thing in the testimony which I think is disjoint from the thinking of many is the potential Sunday's that may be added if passed. Much of the testimony only talked about 3-4 days being added which points to the Sunday's in big game seasons. This is the most contentious part of the equation. Some people are worried about an impact on deer numbers. However, I guess keeping the number of Sunday's a low number is intended to appease the hikers and equestrians. We should be honest. The potential is there to have Sunday hunting for small game and archery seasons, which may include a dozen Sunday's between October and the end of December. By the way, the horse guy was whining about not being able to use trails through the game lands on Sunday. I don't see a problem with joint use even though those horse people did not pay for the game lands and all they do is leave road apples littered about. I don't think most hunters would shoot a horse mistakenly for a deer, but requiring orange to be displayed on game lands during open season is not unreasonable. The same NRA guy was even less than stellar at the last SH hearing back in 2011. Those in the know, say this guy is less than stellar all the way around.
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Post by redarrow on May 19, 2016 14:37:02 GMT -5
If there is one thing most hunters in PA are experts at, it's whining and moaning about how much our regulations suck.. You mean like the archery hunters did that wanted more time to kill bucks so the rut was added? You equate asking for a change in regulation as whining and moaning, unless of course, it is something you take advantage of...... Yep, that's one of many examples. It's not as drastic as some, and I was not one who felt we needed more time even though I do like the last couple weeks of our current archery season. We have more opportunities now than ever before. The added time did not satisfy at least one group of hunters who wanted methods even easier than modern compound in addition to more time. Sunday hunting will be part of our future. It, like previous changes, will not satisfy those who cannot be satisfied. It will give some one less excuse to complain about when pontificating about how bad things are for hunters in this state. Gee whiz, we are even forced to learn the natural food sources in the areas we hunt or manage a food plot 'cause they won't let us hunt over a bait pile-how inconvenient the PGC make things for us?
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Post by ridgecommander on May 20, 2016 6:36:48 GMT -5
You mean like the archery hunters did that wanted more time to kill bucks so the rut was added? You equate asking for a change in regulation as whining and moaning, unless of course, it is something you take advantage of...... Yep, that's one of many examples. It's not as drastic as some, and I was not one who felt we needed more time even though I do like the last couple weeks of our current archery season. You said adding two weeks of archery hunting during the rut was "not a drastic as some", yet that change has had a larger impact than all of the other changes that you despise. Of course, we all realize since the change is something that enjoy participating in, it is only others that ask for change that are the bad folks...... Just as archery hunters did years ago when they wanted methods even easier than the traditional equipment in addition to more time. Quite the conundrum you the box you put yourself in. Now these same archery hunters keep pushing for acceptance of higher letoff, lighted nocks, other electronic devices etc.... to make their hunt easier and allow placement in record books. "Your" group is just as guilty of the activities you claim to despise, yet you lash out at others, lol.... It was the constant acceptance and willingness of archery hunters to embrace every new gadget and gizmo to make their hunt "easier" that started the ball rolling in a direction you claim to hate. Yet, it is another group that catches your ire when the reality is it is your group that is responsible for it. I don't place hunters in groups as you do against each other. We are all hunters and I support all of them and their legal methods. I sure hope. The majority of the country enjoys the opportunity and it has been a non event. Just as it will be here. Much like Sunday fishing which used to be illegal in this state.
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Post by davet on May 20, 2016 7:38:24 GMT -5
Yes.....but a fish is in it's own "class". It's not a warm blooded "mammal" like those furry things that we hunt. Men will use any reason to "justify" getting there. Watch out.....or you may get run over by my cart when the independent rear and front brake system both fail at the same time. Or, you could hit the Lotto in back to back sessions and become a billionaire....BTW...if you do then you will need estate planning. Come see me as I will at least get a referral fee from it. smileys-whistling-823718 'Cause the chance of the referral fee is 100-X more likely than my independent brake system failing at the same time......or an actual thoughtful said reason for SH to pass.
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Post by Dutch on May 20, 2016 14:05:01 GMT -5
According to an email I got from NRA, support for SH is building.
They must know something I don't.
I'm sure they do.
Funny how there was a veiled threat at the hearing towards the groups that didn't want it.
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Post by redarrow on May 20, 2016 14:31:24 GMT -5
Dave, what is the law concerning electric buggies on game lands now? If they are allowed, or will be in the future, there will come a day when those who could walk, but prefer not to, will complain that they should be allowed to cruise around on one too-such things have happened before. When i voice my opposition to that, it will be said that hunters like me are just trying to be divisive again. Oh well, we calls 'em likes we sees 'em and and roll along-just like with SH.
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Post by davet on May 21, 2016 8:14:53 GMT -5
Yeah. I have actual correspondence from the NRA that stated they were going to assist me in the reason why I was kicked out of a gun club without going thru the club's due process as stated in the club's by-laws. The reason was I was disabled. Then after about three months the NRA simply stated they could not and would not help. Another fine organization we have here Stanly!!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 9:17:33 GMT -5
Dave, I have had some issues with the NRA, including the Pennsylvania representative in question, but it is still the best thing we have going for preservation of our right to own firearms.
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