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Post by moosemike on Jun 29, 2023 6:56:02 GMT -5
I never see a buck that isn't on the move. If I'm sitting on stand they run past me escaping somebody somewhere else. If I'm walking they jump up and run away from me. It's hard to see brow tines in those situations. I don't have a deer lease with food plots where I have all the time I need. You just come from a different experience and you'll never understand the pressured world I hunt in I can pretty much guarantee that bucks on even the heaviest pressured land are not either running or bedded during the daylight. I can understand most getting out of dodge if you are stil hunting but stand hunting it sounds like you are not hunting security areas. We don't have much in the way of security areas. We have mostly open woods to one degree or another. Deer typically bed on benches or the edge of ridges where they have a good view below and above them
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Post by stroupy on Jun 29, 2023 7:27:07 GMT -5
It's not always easy to count points on higher pressured land. Last couple buck I shot I always have it in my head I hope it has enough points. Kind of ruins some of the experience to have worry about such a thing.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jun 29, 2023 7:57:39 GMT -5
I've always believed that the deer biologist has the say on ARs being either raised or dropped. Partially or in total. I don't know what that opinion is within the current effort. I know that if hunters are educated, personnel choice works well enough not to cause harm. I believe in PA, hunters needed to have the restriction to educate.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 29, 2023 9:39:55 GMT -5
Nah....if one can't count points, they don't belong in the woods. And now they have to know the difference between a 2.75 inch spike or a 3 inch spike. Yeah, we just want to shoot at anything..... Sorry, I had an azzhole shoot at a spiker running between us just because he had to kill a deer. I never see a buck that isn't on the move. If I'm sitting on stand they run past me escaping somebody somewhere else. If I'm walking they jump up and run away from me. It's hard to see brow tines in those situations. I don't have a deer lease with food plots where I have all the time I need. You just come from a different experience and you'll never understand the pressured world I hunt in Mike, there deer I see are also pressured. My lease is long and narrow. Public land 10000 ft border, and well hunted private on the other side. If I don't get a shot, I keep it as a memory.
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Post by moosemike on Jun 29, 2023 9:51:43 GMT -5
I only get a chance at a legal buck every other year on average. When I get the chance, I want to take it.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 29, 2023 9:54:12 GMT -5
I only get a chance at a legal buck every other year on average. When I get the chance, I want to take it. Thats pretty good. Average success rate is about 18-20%. It was actually lower than that prior to HR and AR.
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Post by dougl on Jun 29, 2023 12:20:21 GMT -5
I don't much care what they do anymore.I do like AR's and hope they stay but won't jump off a bridge if they go away.With participation dropping as fast as it is,not much impacts me.
I've never shot at a running deer and probably never will.I'm not a trophy hunter but when I do decide to shoot one,it has to be obviously legal.I rarely count points because of that and so far,haven't walked up on an illegal bucks yet.Most end up being a little bigger than I thought.
I just hunt these days.I have no goals or bucket lists other than to squeeze a little time out every weekend to be out there.I won't lobby one way or the other.
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Post by Loggy on Jun 30, 2023 7:16:46 GMT -5
HB 493 must now move to full House then on to Senate.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 30, 2023 8:12:02 GMT -5
They might as well eliminate ARs if this bill gains tractions and passes. It will pass, only one dissenting vote in committee. Maybe common sense will prevail in the Senate, but doubtful
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jun 30, 2023 10:02:05 GMT -5
Not intended to take this down a different road. When someone pushed to make inlines legal in flintlock season based on a disability saying they were easier to load, Matt Baker said he wouldn't vote against a disabled based issue. There might be an age based issue that no one wants to get on the wrong of politically.
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Post by Loggy on Jun 30, 2023 10:18:55 GMT -5
Not intended to take this down a different road. When someone pushed to make inlines legal in flintlock season based on a disability saying they were easier to load, Matt Baker said he wouldn't vote against a disabled based issue. There might be an age based issue that no one wants to get on the wrong of politically. There's minimal difference in "loading" an inline vs a flintlock. Both need a ram rod to load from muzzle. On the ignition....an inline takes a 209 primer or cap and a flinter a touch of priming powder in the pan. Big difference is reliabilty in ignition depending of individual shooters skill plus if scoped inlines allowed...an obvious advantage to inline.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jun 30, 2023 12:09:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised the vote was so lop sided. I wondered if because an old age group was involved the vote had a basis in that.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 30, 2023 12:51:24 GMT -5
I'm surprised the vote was so lop sided. I wondered if because an old age group was involved the vote had a basis in that. Shows how much influence the USP has. It was sponsored by Maloney, who is in their pocket. Maybe Sunday hunting now has a chance because the Dems control the House.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jun 30, 2023 12:59:07 GMT -5
The vote against was from a Democrat. That surprised me. Alot of votes come down so as not to give a challenger any ammo. I really suspect this is one of those examples because of the age group involved evolved. You don't want to be scored poorly by let's say the AARP for example.
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Post by rusty on Jun 30, 2023 13:53:26 GMT -5
In archery season I always waited until a decent buck gave me a shot. I did not do that before ARs when I was hunting with a rifle. For me, that season is more about venison than antlers, but I have killed far fewer bucks with a gun than my bow.
I love seeing so many more big bucks now, but that's my preference. If another hunter buys a license and is satisfied with a young buck, I believe he should be allowed to shoot it. I have always made time to hunt. And I have lived where I can hunt from the time I step out of my house for all but a few years after college. Some hunters are lucky to get a few days in the woods. I can understand their dislike for the AR rules.
Rule change or not, I will do as I have done in the past. If the changed is made, I have a few years until it applies to me. Since we eat fewer deer now that our sons are grown, a couple does tags will provide the venison. My buck tags will stay unfilled until antlers I see as good enough to end my hunting for the season gives me a shot.
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Post by Loggy on Jul 31, 2023 7:20:25 GMT -5
Interesting June 28 House G&F Video Commentary re HB 493.
Discussion starts @ 22:24
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Post by ridgecommander on Jul 31, 2023 8:45:38 GMT -5
Interesting June 28 House G&F Video Commentary re HB 493. ] At least there was one rationale rep on there saying that their role should not be to legislate deer management.
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Post by Dutch on Jul 31, 2023 11:50:26 GMT -5
Get older hunters out of the cold? WTH?
Bragging rights? WTH?
NY doesn't have CWD because their DEC took care of the problem and didn't allow deer farmers to spread it. Maloney is a jerk
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Post by Loggy on Jul 31, 2023 11:59:44 GMT -5
Get older hunters out of the cold? WTH? Bragging rights? WTH? NY doesn't have CWD because their DEC took care of the problem and didn't allow deer farmers to spread it. Maloney is a jerk Thought you'd get a kick out of that Dutch!! My Senior tooties get cold so let me shoot a spike!!
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Post by moosemike on Jul 31, 2023 13:14:51 GMT -5
I thought Maloney and Haddock made some solid points
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Post by Dutch on Jul 31, 2023 13:18:50 GMT -5
Being over 65 isn't a disability. The problem is that society wants to coddle seniors. It makes them feel good.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jul 31, 2023 14:04:54 GMT -5
I thought Maloney and Haddock made some solid points They should go to Elmerten Ave every 3 months and testify in front of the BOC if they have deer management concerns. Politicians love to take their role which is over-sight and turn it into over-reach.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jul 31, 2023 15:58:46 GMT -5
Not too many hunters are older than I am, and I would not support this bill. Not sure which one of us is the older, know were close to the same age it's a non factor. I completely agree, it's not needed. Mentor youth are exempt on antler restrictions, no one else needs to be. As I said IMO the only change that needs to made in AR is to eliminate the 3 up rule in those WMU that have it.
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Post by Loggy on Jul 31, 2023 17:05:52 GMT -5
One would think that an important feature of “mentoring” youth would be to teach the youth how imperative it is to practice AR assuming such practice benefits the resource??
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Post by Dutch on Jul 31, 2023 17:12:39 GMT -5
One would think that an important feature of “mentoring” youth would be to teach the youth how imperative it is to practice AR assuming such practice benefits the resource?? About 10% of our hunters are youth hunters. While I believe ARs should be across the board, I'll give them that. My daughter has yet to kill a deer, should she be exempt?
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