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Post by bowbum on Jun 28, 2019 16:38:20 GMT -5
Opinions are cheap if you don't support them with facts. Here it is so you can get it clear; "Yes" bears "do" receive different treatment than rabbits, groundhogs, deer or squirrels. They are a different, less populated, more in demand and more illegally harvested than the percentage of other game animals. That should not come as a surprise to anyone who has the slightest familiarity with wildlife management. They're sought after for claws, teeth, hides and often baited. But how about that looking for an injured bear? Any comment on that? lol you demand facts from me but present none to support your argument. As for the injured bear you are grasping at straws. What the heck are you rambling about? I didn't come up with the "they tracked an injured bear" crap. I also did not ask for facts in my last post, only your opinion. Are they wrong to track an injured bear? As for an injured fawn, absolutely I have seen them come for them. I don't care what your dad experienced, you only (very loosely) allude to his experience. But I know they do at times pick up injured fawns. They may club them but they do respond. So, what about tracking an injured bear Stroup?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 18:01:31 GMT -5
Oh brother. Cant argue with a guy who writes something down and then denies it in his next post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 18:04:48 GMT -5
I would have a pretty good argument if I made the claim that people go after a good set of antlers along the rd more then they would a bear. Facts though he asks for facts then denies it....
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Post by bowbum on Jun 28, 2019 18:24:04 GMT -5
Ok, tell him to call me. "What great lengths?" They rescue all sorts of animals, every day year round. I would like to know how bears are treated in "great lengths." Guy hit a bear coming to work the other month. The bear ran off and the PGC showed up and even tracked it til they lost it. The only time they come for other animals is if they are in the middle of town or somewhere they really shouldnt be. Now a bear we resuscitate at all costs. Here's the guy who "denies" something. I only responded to "YOUR" post. (see above) You don't know what you want Stroupy! What is this "great lengths" that you claim they do for bears? And "IF" you are saying it is looking for a bear that was hit by a car, would you rather they not pursue a injured bear? Two very simple questions that have been presented to you in different ways and you have always avoid direct answers. That says to me that you are a very confused lad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 19:03:04 GMT -5
I see all the time about how they relocate cubs and other things they do for them on facebook that they wouldnt do for other animals. They treat bears better over most imo. As for the tracking No I do not feel it was needed to track it. They would not have done it for as anything else. I stated my opinion about the subject you just have a hard time giving the PGC grief for anything.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 29, 2019 7:14:04 GMT -5
I see all the time about how they relocate cubs and other things they do for them on facebook that they wouldnt do for other animals. They treat bears better over most imo. As for the tracking No I do not feel it was needed to track it. They would not have done it for as anything else. I stated my opinion about the subject you just have a hard time giving the PGC grief for anything. Bears have the potential to do serious harm to people or destroy property when they acclimate to suburbia and relocating them only makes sense at times. How anyone cannot understand that is beyond me. So, if a injured bear kills a child or severely injures someone, and the pgc had a report of the bear being injured and they didn't try to find it, you'd be ok with that huh? I give the pgc my complaints when I feel that I have a sensible reason for a complaint. I've voiced my complaints about pgc issues on here also. I am not someone who automatically things every biologist and every professional wildlife manager is more stupid than some shoe salesman. This is a human characteristic I see all the time. The guy who sweeps the bathroom in a factory can always tell management how to better ru n their fortune 500 company. All the "real experts" have been cheated and should be in charge. (also known as "second guessers and bashers) No Stroup, in all honesty there are things about the pgc I don't like but I think some folks just need to take a deep breath and realize most of the men and women who make those decisions have 100 times more experience with wildlife and social impact of wildlife than any of us and they also have to deal with politics beyond their choices or wishes. It really ain't that difficult to recognize a fellow persons efforts and give them credit.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 29, 2019 7:29:38 GMT -5
As for the tracking No I do not feel it was needed to track it. They would not have done it for as anything else. I don't disagree that bears are generally overprotected and overstudied in this state. But you seem to be missing the point of why there is more importance to follow up on an injured bear. Same would be the case with bull elk or moose if we had them. They are potentially dangerous to people if someone comes across it. This would be more important if the area was developed at all. It is perfectly logical for game officers to follow up on injured wildlife that can be dangerous to people.
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Post by dennyf on Jun 29, 2019 7:55:13 GMT -5
POW! BOP and WHAM! This thread is starting to look like an old Batman comic book. There are and have been for some time, too many bears in PA for the available, suitable habitat. Emphasis on suitable, as in not causing more and more problems via excessive interactions with human's habitats. Some years ago I think I upset the Bear Guy with such a comment in the PGC lobby? As noted previously, it's been over 20 years since a bear was darted in Mechanicsburg. All three of our local Game Wardens have since had to deal with problem bears on the West Shore areas of Harrisburg in that 20 year period. Maybe 12 years ago, one had to be shot near the Progress Ave. exit on I-81, after being hit on the Interstate. Since then, numerous bear issues in Cumberland and Dauphin counties, in or near heavily-populated areas. Including the one darted in the middle of Harrisburg a few weeks ago. For the purposes of discussion, one can probably assume that similar events are taking place each spring now, in many other areas of PA with large human populations? Our current warden told me several years ago, that most of the young ones showing up around here, have probably come over the mountain from Perry County, as that is a far more rural area than where I live. 30 years ago bears were still fairly uncommon in the part of Tioga County where camp is. Can remember when my camp neighbors were excited to have seen a few bears in the spring, back then. Now, bears are far more common around there, although local beef farmers aren't happy about that at all. Before bears began to appear, farmers accused 'yotes for their spring/late winter calf losses. Now they know different. That PGC has begun to introduce more opportunities to take bears, kinda obvious they are finally trying to address the problem of too many bears, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 8:03:21 GMT -5
They are just as dangerous walking out to your truck in the morning and its there in your garbage. That doesnt seem to rush them to remove them. They go out of there way for bears.
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Post by timberdoodle on Jul 2, 2019 17:18:26 GMT -5
I was driving yesterday about a half mile from my house saw a bear crossing the road right in front of me and stopped in the road. A car came over the rise bearing down and I had my arm out the window trying to slow the driver down to no avail bear ran back right in front of the vehicle and whack. Knocked bear arse over tin cup and immediately got up running. Driver stopped about thirty yards past my vehicle and I backed up to make sure the driver was OK. Young girl driving alone in the vehicle She was shaken but not hurt, her vehicle was drivable and I left. Moral of the story Not every one goes out of their way for bears
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