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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 11:11:21 GMT -5
Why are we still checking in every bear? Been saying it for years. There is no need to continue to check every bear. The PGC does enough field checks and trap and transfers to get enough information for continued monitoring. Maybe require checking bears harvested on one day of the season if they feel they need more data. Wonder what the cost is for it all?
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Post by fleroo on Jun 24, 2019 11:33:43 GMT -5
As someone who has legally harvested a bear during archery bear season ( a few years ago), let me put in my two cents. I had no problem having my bear checked, but I did resent the (it was quite apparent) assumption that I shot it over bait. I did not. The WCO who came to check me insisted he wanted to see the kill site, so I took him there. It was a bit of a hard hike as we had to cross a stream and go about half a mile through rough terrain, and he groused about it a lot. My response was, "You wanted to see the kill site. Here it is." I have to wonder if he ever insisted on that again/ F THAT ! What if you were heading back to lovely St. Thomas right after you had the bear checked. Do they expect travel/plan alterations to accommodate their assumptions ? I'd give the best verbal direction I could to where it met it's demise, and told them to have at it.
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Post by Muab Dib on Jun 24, 2019 11:40:55 GMT -5
Been saying it for years. There is no need to continue to check every bear. The PGC does enough field checks and trap and transfers to get enough information for continued monitoring. Maybe require checking bears harvested on one day of the season if they feel they need more data. Wonder what the cost is for it all? Stroupy; my nephew once told me; "You shoot a bear you're in it for $2000.00". Cost of get'n the thing out, driving for the check, and then meat processing, a skull mount, and a rug... Pretty much keeps me out of the game... Unless... confused-smiley-013 Muab
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 24, 2019 12:07:29 GMT -5
Stroupy; my nephew once told me; "You shoot a bear you're in it for $2000.00". Cost of get'n the thing out, driving for the check, and then meat processing, a skull mount, and a rug... Pretty much keeps me out of the game... Unless... confused-smiley-013 Muab I cut my own meat, didn't get a rug or a mount. But, the cost of the hunt was $2000 so I guess that rule still applies.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 24, 2019 12:08:28 GMT -5
The PGC suspects every bear shot in archery is shot over bait. Its ridiculous that they look at hunters that way.
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Post by davet on Jun 24, 2019 12:29:03 GMT -5
Next time you kill one, just brush it's teeth to remove any signs of berries, deer meat, potatoes, gravy.....'n stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:26:07 GMT -5
Next time you kill one, just brush it's teeth to remove any signs of berries, deer meat, potatoes, gravy.....'n stuff. Dave (every camp needs one) and I go way back hunting bears in PA. When we first started, you had to go to northern PA because there were no bears south of the north end of Center County. They are everywhere now. I would have said back then in response to your "next time you kill one" statement that it might be never, but no more. These new extra bear seasons make hope spring more or less eternal. We have bears in the area of Camp Rip-N-Tear, and I have actually killed two of them; one with a gun and the other previously mentioned with a crossbow. Who woulda thunk it? And who woulda believed I would not kill one until I was in my 70s?
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Post by dougell on Jun 24, 2019 14:22:36 GMT -5
Wonder what the cost is for it all? Stroupy; my nephew once told me; "You shoot a bear you're in it for $2000.00". Cost of get'n the thing out, driving for the check, and then meat processing, a skull mount, and a rug... Pretty much keeps me out of the game... Unless... confused-smiley-013 Muab Yep.I always said the same thing lol.I hunt them every year but I'm always the designated driver so I have no chance of killing one.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 24, 2019 14:34:32 GMT -5
They way I read the new Hunting Digest, the Oct inline bear season is the same as the inline doe season. Senior hunters and juniors can use a rifle the last 3 days.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jun 24, 2019 14:44:21 GMT -5
Don't bet on it Doug. I shot at one a few years back while flanking a road, don't know if I hit it or not, didn't need to. It ran back toward the driver behind me, I yelled to him one coming your way and he killed it. Thing was the bear didn't even come off our drive, it was headed into it when I first saw it.
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Post by dougell on Jun 24, 2019 15:01:27 GMT -5
I make sure I douse myself with bear repellent before I head out.Last year we hunted with a new group that decided to post for the first few hours.I have zero desire to kill a bear but like the anticipation of a well orchestrated drive.Fifteen minutes into sitting,a group driving along the Clarion river below us start shooting and a bear ends up running right at my son.It was skirting the edge of some laurel and was gonna end up right in his lap.A guy and his kid ended up sitting right smack in front of my son and actually got up and ran in between him and the bear to cut it off.They shot 4 times at it,hitting it once.We ended up tracking the bear over a mile and 5 of us boxed it in a small clearcut.They took 7 more shots to finish it off.My son was and still is violently whizzed off about it.I'm fine with it lol.It was the perfect bear hunt in my book.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 24, 2019 16:22:46 GMT -5
Its okay to admit bears are special. Why are we still checking in every bear? How much more info do they need... You're changing the theme here Stroupy! I thought it had something to do with "great lengths," (that you won't describe), and then someone hitting a bear and it running off and the PGC trying to find the injured bear? So, just what is your gripe Stroupy?
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Post by bowbum on Jun 24, 2019 16:34:03 GMT -5
The PGC suspects every bear shot in archery is shot over bait. Its ridiculous that they look at hunters that way. I think for the most part it is true that many, many bears are baited. There was a state representative in Lycoming County whose camp had baited bears for years. I knew of three guys who used to openly admit to acclimating bears to bait, each at different locations, and then removing it the day before the season. (The were investigated but no proof could be found) Yes, I think apples and corn are commonly used and if you live in bear country you'll hear many accounts of it. If all hunters were honest and played by the rules there would be no need to police hunting, but lets not play stupid, it isn't that way.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jun 24, 2019 16:42:53 GMT -5
I make sure I douse myself with bear repellent before I head out.Last year we hunted with a new group that decided to post for the first few hours.I have zero desire to kill a bear but like the anticipation of a well orchestrated drive.Fifteen minutes into sitting,a group driving along the Clarion river below us start shooting and a bear ends up running right at my son.It was skirting the edge of some laurel and was gonna end up right in his lap.A guy and his kid ended up sitting right smack in front of my son and actually got up and ran in between him and the bear to cut it off.They shot 4 times at it,hitting it once.We ended up tracking the bear over a mile and 5 of us boxed it in a small clearcut.They took 7 more shots to finish it off.My son was and still is violently whizzed off about it.I'm fine with it lol.It was the perfect bear hunt in my book. Killed one, could care less if I ever kill another. But hunting with relatives and friends makes it fun, and hopefully my present contributes to someone else getting one in some way.
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Post by cspot on Jun 24, 2019 17:11:50 GMT -5
The PGC suspects every bear shot in archery is shot over bait. Its ridiculous that they look at hunters that way. I think for the most part it is true that many, many bears are baited. There was a state representative in Lycoming County whose camp had baited bears for years. I knew of three guys who used to openly admit to acclimating bears to bait, each at different locations, and then removing it the day before the season. (The were investigated but no proof could be found) Yes, I think apples and corn are commonly used and if you live in bear country you'll hear many accounts of it. If all hunters were honest and played by the rules there would be no need to police hunting, but lets not play stupid, it isn't that way. Plenty of deer are baited each year as well. Why not check in all of them?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 18:24:37 GMT -5
Its okay to admit bears are special. Why are we still checking in every bear? How much more info do they need... You're changing the theme here Stroupy! I thought it had something to do with "great lengths," (that you won't describe), and then someone hitting a bear and it running off and the PGC trying to find the injured bear? So, just what is your gripe Stroupy? Not at all. The PGC goes to great lengths when it comes to anything bear. Do they leave a bear to rot along side of the road? Call them for anything else and its like already stated let nature take her course. It is okay to sometimes be critical of the PGC bowbum.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 24, 2019 18:33:24 GMT -5
I think for the most part it is true that many, many bears are baited. There was a state representative in Lycoming County whose camp had baited bears for years. I knew of three guys who used to openly admit to acclimating bears to bait, each at different locations, and then removing it the day before the season. (The were investigated but no proof could be found) Yes, I think apples and corn are commonly used and if you live in bear country you'll hear many accounts of it. If all hunters were honest and played by the rules there would be no need to police hunting, but lets not play stupid, it isn't that way. Plenty of deer are baited each year as well. Why not check in all of them? It's a matter of numbers. Also, it is extremely elementary that deer are so numerous and available that the "percentage" of baiting situations pales by comparison and it would require massive manpower to do what is done with bear checks.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 24, 2019 18:37:00 GMT -5
You're changing the theme here Stroupy! I thought it had something to do with "great lengths," (that you won't describe), and then someone hitting a bear and it running off and the PGC trying to find the injured bear? So, just what is your gripe Stroupy? Not at all. The PGC goes to great lengths when it comes to anything bear. Do they leave a bear to rot along side of the road? Call them for anything else and its like already stated let nature take her course. It is okay to sometimes be critical of the PGC bowbum. They have contractors to pick up deer. Obviously with many, many thousands of deer road-kills each year the pick up squad would have to be huge, requiring enormous manpower. Bears, on the other hand are relatively small numbers of roadkill and teeth and skulls are sought after. I feel like I'm teaching elementary school with pointing out the silliness of these comparisons. It's simply an anti-PGC thing because younz certainly are capable of realizing the differences.
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Post by cspot on Jun 24, 2019 18:47:20 GMT -5
Plenty of deer are baited each year as well. Why not check in all of them? It's a matter of numbers. Also, it is extremely elementary that deer are so numerous and available that the "percentage" of baiting situations pales by comparison and it would require massive manpower to do what is done with bear checks. Why waste money and manpower on bears when they are overpopulated now? They can still randomly check reported bear harvests. Something like elk with a small population i can see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 19:04:29 GMT -5
They wouldnt treat a fawn the same way they would a bear cub.
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Post by dennyf on Jun 24, 2019 19:43:03 GMT -5
I go over to PGC/HQ most years to visit the bear check station. Well that and to pester poor Dr. Rosenberry, who runs the thing. And also one of his biologists, who happens to live down the road from me. She turned up at our club's most recent HTE class, as she is now also a volunteer instructor.
This fall I think I'll take some apples along and stick a few in the bears' mouths, when no one is looking?
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Post by fleroo on Jun 25, 2019 6:34:44 GMT -5
Picture ? …… RELAX, I'M KIDDING !
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Post by timberdoodle on Jun 25, 2019 9:06:22 GMT -5
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Post by bowbum on Jun 25, 2019 15:43:02 GMT -5
It's a matter of numbers. Also, it is extremely elementary that deer are so numerous and available that the "percentage" of baiting situations pales by comparison and it would require massive manpower to do what is done with bear checks. Why waste money and manpower on bears when they are overpopulated now? They can still randomly check reported bear harvests. Something like elk with a small population i can see. "Overpopulated?" By comparison to deer what is the percentage, I'm guessing bears account for about 2 percent? Geez, this ain't that complex!
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 25, 2019 16:20:21 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to know the bears are over populated according to what the PGC thinks the state can sustain. Pretty sure that's why they have I increased the bear huntin opportunities.
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