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Post by flounder on Sept 12, 2017 10:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by davet on Sept 12, 2017 12:08:53 GMT -5
How does one go about getting the deer tested? Must you submit specific parts of the deer, or is a sample of meat alone sufficient?
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Post by Muab Dib on Sept 12, 2017 12:51:16 GMT -5
"Recommendations vary by state, but information about testing is available from many state wildlife agencies. Strongly consider having the deer or elk tested for CWD before you eat the meat. If you have your deer or elk commercially processed, consider asking that your animal be processed individually to avoid mixing meat from multiple animals. If your animal tests positive for CWD, do not eat meat from that animal."
"If your animal tests positive do not eat meat from that animal" Well that's just great... Testing by whom? When? What? - bone, brain, organs? If there is any testing how long will it take and what do we do with the meat in the interim? Just the thing we all need to enhance our hunting experience...
Muab (who lately has enough trouble just seeing deer let alone harvesting and processing one smileys-whistling-823718 )
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 12:55:50 GMT -5
How do you test is right...
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Post by davet on Sept 12, 2017 14:28:49 GMT -5
This makes a good case for self-processing. After all, how do you know if the deer processed before your's didn't have signs?
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Post by 3212 on Sept 12, 2017 15:26:19 GMT -5
To me this is the beginning of the end of deer hunting
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Post by dennyf on Sept 12, 2017 19:17:49 GMT -5
Probably what CDC has in mind, since over the years they have also made noises about how dangerous firearms are in the household?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 20:36:07 GMT -5
Muab (who lately has enough trouble just seeing deer let alone harvesting and processing one smileys-whistling-823718 ) I've been seeing them standing on the yellow line on 233 lately. Has happened a few times, right there in the middle of the road looking around. |
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 12, 2017 20:53:50 GMT -5
I posted about this several months ago, I told you this is way past what you are being told, we have people dieing from this and no one will say why!
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Post by davet on Sept 13, 2017 5:52:53 GMT -5
I posted about this several months ago, I told you this is way past what you are being told, we have people dieing from this and no one will say why! I'm not saying your wrong, but did you read this somewhere or do you have a link to this somewhere? (Me....who could always use Gaggle to attempt to find out) |
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 13, 2017 6:27:53 GMT -5
I posted about this several months ago, I told you this is way past what you are being told, we have people dieing from this and no one will say why! I'm not saying your wrong, but did you read this somewhere or do you have a link to this somewhere? (Me....who could always use Gaggle to attempt to find out) People would lose their jobs if I say more more, but this is a very dangerous situation. And it is real. |
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Post by Muab Dib on Sept 13, 2017 6:37:50 GMT -5
You got'a be kid'n me Jim. You're telling us that eating CWD infected deer meat will kill us, that "people" know this to be fact and won't tell us, and that you could give us the facts but people's jobs would then be in jeopardy so you won't give us the hard information and facts to confirm??? WTH???
Muab
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Post by Muab Dib on Sept 13, 2017 6:52:15 GMT -5
Muab (who lately has enough trouble just seeing deer let alone harvesting and processing one smileys-whistling-823718 ) I've been seeing them standing on the yellow line on 233 lately. Has happened a few times, right there in the middle of the road looking around. Well Todd, I guess I've got to start hunt'n them yellow lines.  Muab |
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 13, 2017 7:02:59 GMT -5
You got'a be kid'n me Jim. You're telling us that eating CWD infected deer meat will kill us, that "people" know this to be fact and won't tell us, and that you could give us the facts but people's jobs would then be in jeopardy so you won't give us the hard information and facts to confirm??? WTH??? Muab I never said they were getting it from eating CWD infected deer, they can't prove where it's coming from, but humans are being infected. |
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Post by bowbum on Sept 13, 2017 7:18:11 GMT -5
You got'a be kid'n me Jim. You're telling us that eating CWD infected deer meat will kill us, that "people" know this to be fact and won't tell us, and that you could give us the facts but people's jobs would then be in jeopardy so you won't give us the hard information and facts to confirm??? WTH??? Muab I never said they were getting it from eating CWD infected deer, they can't prove where it's coming from, but humans are being infected. Jim: "we have people dieing from this and no one will say why!" I agree that this new recommendation is a concern but, in regard to the topic of CWD infected deer you've made a hell of an allegation when coupled with; "people would lose their jobs if I say more." If you have even an ounce of some credible knowledge or know some expert who does have anything that contradicts modern science you have a human obligation to state it and inform the proper authorities rather than crying wolf! Mad Cow, Creitzfelt Jacobs, (SP?), is the closest thing to CWD and supposedly has infected one or two people in the known history of it. Although, I'm not sure that is even accepted as fact. People don't die from CWD related illnesses without families and medical professionals bringing it to light. |
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 13, 2017 7:29:24 GMT -5
The very size of a prion itselfs makes studying very difficult. I'm just telling you that there is far more of these cases than anyone is admitting to.
The term "prion" is derived from proteinacious infectious particle and refers to the pathogen that causes transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs).
This small infectious particle is a disease-causing form of a protein called cellular prion protein (PrPc). PrPc is mainly found on the surface of cells in the central nervous system, but it is also located in other bodily tissues. Although the specific role of PrPc is not clear, studies suggest that this protein plays a protective role in cells and helps them respond to oxygen deficiency.
A prion is composed of abnormally folded protein that causes progressive neurodegenerative conditions, with two of the most notable being Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE or mad cow disease) seen in cattle and livestock and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) seen in humans. These mis-folded proteins do not multiply in the host organism that they infect. Instead, they affect the brain structure by acting as a template, inducing proteins with normal folding to convert to the abnormal prion form.
These newly formed mis-folded proteins, in turn, act as further templates for the conversion of more normal proteins, leading to an exponential accumulation of prions in the tissue of the central nervous system. These abnormally folded proteins form plaques which are thought to cause "entanglement" of neurofibrils and interfere with synapse function. The nerve cells are eventually damaged and lost, which causes tiny vacuoles to form in the brain. These give the brain a sponge-like appearance under the microscope, hence the term spongiform disease arose.
This leads to brain damage and the symptoms of prion disease, which include impaired brain function; changes in personality, memory and behavior; intellectual decline and movement abnormalities, particularly ataxia. These symptoms usually develop during adulthood and worsen over time, eventually causing death within several years or even a few months.
Prion features
Prions are so small that they are even smaller than viruses and can only be seen through an electron microscope when they have aggregated and formed a cluster. Prions are also unique in that they do not contain nucleic acid, unlike bacteria, fungi, viruses and other pathogens. Prions are therefore resistant to procedures that destroy pathogens by breaking down nucleic acid. Furthermore, because these particles are an abnormal version of a normal protein that is already coded for in the body, they do not trigger a host immune response, as other pathogens do.
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 13, 2017 7:36:37 GMT -5
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Post by GlennD on Sept 13, 2017 7:54:08 GMT -5
So Jim, once again what is the source, or are you that well versed in the subject the above is an original discertation?
My mind went to the same conclusion as Denny and 3212 above. A one sided effort by an anti-gun, anti-hunting group or individual intent on damaging hunting and killing of animals for food.
How do they test my butcher shop deer? How does a butcher shop process many deer and keep one from contaminating the entire shop?
From "Food Safety News", June 2015:
"As for CWD and any risks to humans, the alliance says there is currently no solid evidence that humans can get it from deer, elk or moose. Most researchers agree with that. According to the group, the diseases (BSE and CWD) are “distinctly different.”
The World Health Organization has also weighed in, stating that after reviewing the available scientific information, its conclusion is that “currently there is no evidence that CWD can be transmitted to humans.”
Even so, the alliance notes that public health officials recommend that human exposure to the CWD infectious agent be avoided as agencies continue to evaluate any potential health risk.
Dunfee added that Wyoming did a 13-year study in which cows were put in deer pens heavily infected with CWD, and none of the cows became infected.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reviewed clinical records and pathology studies of three cases of sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in 1997-98 in young adults who had eaten venison, and that review failed to find a causal link to CWD.
The same was true for other cases involving people who had eaten deer or elk meat, although the CDC report contains these words of caution: “Surveillance for human prion diseases, particularly in areas where CWD has been detected, remains important to effectively monitor the possible transmission of CWD to humans.”
The report also pointed out that “because of the long incubation period associated with prion diseases, convincing negative results from epidemiological and experimental laboratory studies would likely require years of follow-up.”
Soto would agree. He said that even though there have been no confirmed cases of infections in humans from CWD, the public should know that “it’s a possibility that needs to be explored.”
“I don’t want to scare people,” he said, “but these (CWD) prions are accumulating, and prions have a long incubation period — sometimes as long as 30 to 40 years in humans.”"
The hidden message in most of the above is: "more research money is needed"
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Post by bowbum on Sept 13, 2017 7:54:19 GMT -5
The very size of a prion itselfs makes studying very difficult. I'm just telling you that there is far more of these cases than anyone is admitting to. Yes, data that's been out there for a long time. Nothing in that infers any cover up or substantial percentage of cases in humans. What's concerning is your claim of people losing their jobs if you disclose something. |
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 13, 2017 8:14:54 GMT -5
You can eat road kill as far as I'm concerned it's hasn't been proven to kill anything but the slow possums.
But for anyone to believe that there is no danger, you are simply wrong.
And I would expect any man with your vast knowledge, would certainly understand the implications of violating HIPAA laws.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 13, 2017 8:27:30 GMT -5
So sportsman are being advised to not eat meat from cervids in 20 states? Sounds like anti hunters have infiltrated the CDC.
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Post by davet on Sept 13, 2017 8:39:08 GMT -5
But I still don't know what "parts" I need to keep in order to get a harvested deer tested. Or if I don't need parts, how, where, and cost of getting this done. I will probably stick to trapping for fur if someone tells me I have to cough up $50 for the testing.
IMHO, if anti-hunting is involved, and I'm not one to buy into that right now, then instead of hunters killing the roughly 350,000 deer per year, I am now guessing these 350-K will begin to get whacked by vehicles. Some of these vehicles will have young people who will attempt to avoid hitting Bambi and roll cars over, resulting in death to the driver and\or passenger.
Just "thinking out loud." I have no premise to base my opinion on.....just thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 8:48:48 GMT -5
So Jim, once again what is the source, or are you that well versed in the subject the above is an original discertation? Copied & pasted from the link he posted below the post. |
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Post by dennyf on Sept 13, 2017 8:55:44 GMT -5
There are agendas inherent in most groups/agencies, that have a bearing on how we do things.
AMA has lobbied for more gun control for years, for example and have encouraged member doctors to "educate" patients about the dangers of having firearms in the home.
Reports have circulated on internet forums for several years, about doctors including questions about firearms ownership, during examinations.
Asked our family doctor about this a couple years ago, when I was in for a checkup. No questions included about firearms in the form I had filled out prior to the exam. He's in his late 40s and an accomplished smart azz, so we get along very well. Checkup was right after firearms deer season. He told me he'd gotten a buck, asked me how I'd made out.
Said since he knows I hunt and that I'm too old'n gimpy to chase deer around with a club, assumed I own firearms, so no reason to ask. I like the kid.
HSUS/PETA would be thrilled to spread the word that wild game is no longer safe to eat. Makes their chosen chores much easier, if everyone gives up hunting over such fears.
Several anti-gun groups have been giving CDC a hard time for not updating the last firearms study they did, since it has probably been a decade or longer since they did the last one?
I've read the CDC report and it comes to no conclusions because the data does not support the supposition that more gun control has proven to serve any useful purpose. But they did note that firearms-related injuries/deaths had declined. Imagine how low those injuries/deaths would be, if there was no gang or crime related firearms data to sort thru?
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 13, 2017 9:01:39 GMT -5
So Jim, once again what is the source, or are you that well versed in the subject the above is an original discertation? Copied & pasted from the link he posted below the post. Thank you Todd, I missed the question. Glenn, Microbiology is a fascinating form of study, although not my field, I have an "in" on the subject matter. |
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