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Post by turkeykiller on Jan 23, 2017 15:38:20 GMT -5
Recently a timber man, furniture builder was at my place to pick up an oak tree. While there, he looked around and found 2 other trees he wanted. One was a white oak and he called the other a "reoak". He claimed it was a cross between a red and white oak. I'm no tree expert, but has anyone ever heard of such a thing, and how could 2 different acorns grow 1 tree?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 15:50:11 GMT -5
I was able to find this quickly online. I didnβt think it was possible for red oaks and white oaks to cross, but darn it, I had to look it up to be sure. Oaks commonly hybridize with each other, making identification difficult. Red oaks can hybridize with any other red oak, but not white oaks and visa versa. And also the following which has a lot of information on trees hybridizing. www.venerabletrees.org/trees/tree-hybrids/In short, here is what I found out. White oak can hybridize with other oaks in the white oak group, including chestnut oak and burr oak. Red oak can hybridize with other oaks in the red oak group, including scarlet oak and pin oak. But the two groups are dissimilar enough that they canβt hybridize with one being from the red oak group and one from the white oak group. Hope this helps.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jan 23, 2017 16:10:46 GMT -5
Thanks George, I better charge him top dollar for it.
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Post by bts123 on Jan 24, 2017 5:23:44 GMT -5
Hmmm.. can't say I've ever heard of the "reoak".. I must have missed that day in dendrology class. I'd have to guess that you may have the only one known to man. Definitely sounds like an expensive treeπ
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 24, 2017 5:31:23 GMT -5
Sounds like you're getting rid of a lot of deer feed.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 24, 2017 8:02:30 GMT -5
I once got rid of $30,000 worth of "deer feed", Turkey feed, songbird feed, chipmunk feed.... and I'm hoping to do it again. The beauty of it all, more is always being made. By the way.... I turned much of the 30G into "Fleroo Feed". Of course, there's this meanie uncle that I have but never met, I think his name is Sam, I fed him too. Is it wrong to not love an uncle ?
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 24, 2017 8:40:19 GMT -5
Your uncle would be eating more Rice & noodles if you weined those deer off of acorns a little bit at a time, kind of like that early with drawel penalties on your 401 K.
I know I'm taking chances of blights and tornados, but I have been "low grade timbering" every 3-7 years, staying under that well thought out 10 grand reporting rule,and saving the high grade stuff till I retire, and take up fishing full time.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jan 24, 2017 8:55:21 GMT -5
Hmmm.. can't say I've ever heard of the "reoak".. I must have missed that day in dendrology class. I'd have to guess that you may have the only one known to man. Definitely sounds like an expensive treeπ Sounds like the price just went up again
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Post by turkeykiller on Jan 24, 2017 8:56:37 GMT -5
Sounds like you're getting rid of a lot of deer feed. 2 trees in 11 acres wont have too much affect
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Post by fleroo on Jan 24, 2017 9:16:03 GMT -5
Well Marlboro, I got 30K for a total of 260 trees, on my small plot of 20 acres. Couldn't pass it up. Most weren't what you describe as "deer food", or Oak. A fair amount of "farmland cherry"... which of course, is low-grade cherry growing in the southwest region. Nothing like North Central, veneer cherry. And a vast majority of all things... Hard Maple. The Maple market exploded when my buyer decided to cut. It was winner-winner chicken dinner, for both of us.
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Post by dougell on Jan 24, 2017 9:18:30 GMT -5
Back in the mid 90's when red oak was high in price,a guy stopped by to look at 8 big red oaks I had.He looked them over and said yeah,I'll do it for $2800.The pinhead wanted me to pay him to sell 8 big red oaks.When I laughed at him,he said he'd figure it out and call me the next day.The next day he called me and said I'd get about $300.I asked him how it went from me paying him $2800 to me getting $300 lol.I told him to hit the road.A year later,a guy was removing a couple pine trees from my neighbor's and stopped over to see if I wanted anything cut.I told him I wanted rid of two huge oaks that were leaning towards my house.He quoted me $1800.I explained that he was on drugs because the trees were worth more than double that.I then told him to give me a price to just drop them without cleaning anything up and I'd dispose of them.The price dropped to $600 but he was still gonna clean it all up.Loggers and tree trimmers are some of the biggest scammers out there.If you're doing any real logging on your property,it usually pays to hire a forest consultant.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 24, 2017 9:18:51 GMT -5
Hmmm.. can't say I've ever heard of the "reoak".. I must have missed that day in dendrology class. I'd have to guess that you may have the only one known to man. Definitely sounds like an expensive treeπ Sounds like the price just went up again BTS is a forester. Maybe not a good one, but a forester. LOL Just kidding. He's a good guy. Pick his brain, if you need some advice.
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 24, 2017 9:55:55 GMT -5
Well Marlboro, I got 30K for a total of 260 trees, on my small plot of 20 acres. Couldn't pass it up. Most weren't what you describe as "deer food", or Oak. A fair amount of "farmland cherry"... which of course, is low-grade cherry growing in the southwest region. Nothing like North Central, veneer cherry. And a vast majority of all things... Hard Maple. The Maple market exploded when my buyer decided to cut. It was winner-winner chicken dinner, for both of us. I didn't see the trees or how hard they were to get out, but after your uncle got his share you got $75:00 per tree, I'm hoping to do a bit better.
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Post by davet on Jan 24, 2017 11:58:17 GMT -5
Remember.....for income tax purposes, income from timber receives long term capital gains treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 12:14:00 GMT -5
Two saplings who lived next to each other in Fleroo's woods were discussing origins one day. The first said "I believe I'm a young beech tree." The second replied that he did not believe so, but that the other was a young birch tree. They had argued this back and forth for quite awhile when an expert flew into the woods whereupon they hailed him for advice. "Mr. Woodpecker, we are having an argument," they told him. The first seedlng said, "I think he is a birch tree." The second said, "No, I think I'm a beech tree. Can you help us?" The woodpecker flew up into the first sapling and pecked at it, whereupon he made the following pronouncement: "Well, you're not a son of a beech, and you're not a son of a birch, but you're one the nicest pieces of ash I've ever sunk my pecker into."
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 24, 2017 12:25:14 GMT -5
Remember.....for income tax purposes, income from timber receives long term capital gains treatment. And this means ?
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Post by fleroo on Jan 24, 2017 12:25:26 GMT -5
BWWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! *coffeespit* Now, point me in the direction of these here trees please.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 24, 2017 12:28:01 GMT -5
Well Marlboro, I do know that you don't have to give the good Uncle all that he wants in year one. You can pay taxes over a longer length of time. If my memory serves correctly, you could break it into tax payments over at least a 5 year period. Not sure it that's what he's talking about, but he can add to it. I just decided to pay it all lump, cuz I was going to rifle through the 30K pronto, and not invest it.
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 24, 2017 13:13:54 GMT -5
That's what I thought the rates the same but you can defer, I tend to take two payments, one in December and one in January. π
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Post by davet on Jan 24, 2017 15:16:19 GMT -5
Well Marlboro, I do know that you don't have to give the good Uncle all that he wants in year one. You can pay taxes over a longer length of time. If my memory serves correctly, you could break it into tax payments over at least a 5 year period. Not sure it that's what he's talking about, but he can add to it. I just decided to pay it all lump, cuz I was going to rifle through the 30K pronto, and not invest it. I have absolutely no idea what fleroo is talking about with this 5 year payment "stuff." This sounds like "Tavern tax planning" after several beers and a few shots. It's meaningless to me. Now, as long as your not "in the timber business" and you are simply a land owner and sell your timber on occasion, then the sale of the timber qualifies for long term capital gains treatment under the tax code. Now, if your currently in the following tax rates, then as this shows, your timber sales could be taxed as low as zero, to as high as 20%: Long-term capital gain: Tax rate is 0% for the 10%β15% brackets; 15% for the 25%β35% brackets; and 20% for the 39.6% bracket. So, if you happen to be in the 15% "marginal" bracket for 2017.....it may be wise of you to take all of your timber payments in that year.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 24, 2017 15:24:40 GMT -5
Well davet, rest assured, it's not tavern tax planning. I went through it. So's either you can brush up on how you can stretch out paying tax made on timbering (and guessing the sale of various other natty resources ? ), consult another "tax man" on the merits of such, or simply take ol' Fleroo's word for it ? ...... and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
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Post by davet on Jan 24, 2017 15:35:27 GMT -5
Well davet, rest assured, it's not tavern tax planning. I went through it. So's either you can brush up on how you can stretch out paying tax made on timbering (and guessing the sale of various other natty resources ? ), consult another "tax man" on the merits of such, or simply take ol' Fleroo's word for it ? ...... and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night. My guess would be....if you stretched out the tax payments, then you also stretched out the receipt of the timber payments. It all depends upon the "Facts and Circumstances" of what is the best situation for YOU. OTOH....your risk is that the timber company doesn't go under during that five yer period.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 24, 2017 15:54:51 GMT -5
No, I didn't stretch out my payments received. I rifled through it all, remember ? All I'm saying is that I was eligible (I'm fairly certain), to spread out the tax due over the term of a 5 year period. Now, I'm not saying that has changed since then (probably over a decade ago), or if it was in place when you were doing your taxy kinda stint, etc... I can't even recall specific stipulations, such you must receive a minimal amount of $$ in order to be eligible. I'm simply just sayin'. Anybody that this may apply to, through a sale of nat. resources, or timber in general, can check further into it. I know I wasn't delusional... as others on this here place have suggested I may be. LMAO2
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Post by dougell on Jan 24, 2017 16:17:28 GMT -5
On a serious note,if you have any ash,get it cut now because it will be dead and worthless within a year.My brother just had 50 acres cut and it was all dying.This past hunting season,I noticed that pretty much every ash tree I could find was dying.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 24, 2017 16:26:48 GMT -5
On a serious note,if you have any ash,get it cut now because it will be dead and worthless within a year.My brother just had 50 acres cut and it was all dying.This past hunting season,I noticed that pretty much every ash tree I could find was dying. There is a section of ash on my lease. It was marked last summer and will probably be cut this year, along with some other junk trees, to improve the stand.
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