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Post by davet on Jan 17, 2017 16:21:12 GMT -5
Yeah baby.......shorts and flip flops.............I will send pics for Dave !! Jacksonville tmrw afternoon.........to 79 degree . It's almost impossible to "un-see" something once you see it. But the brain can make you cope with it. Even the horror of Buzz toes. OTOH, I'm thankful that we don't get a warm Floridian breeze that would carry the scent of a 70 degree "Buzz foot scent" up here with it. I know you scoff that such a thing couldn't happen....the scent would carry that far. But remember, and honest politician once said....."I can see Russia from my porch." LMAO2 |
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Post by fleroo on Jan 17, 2017 16:36:07 GMT -5
I'm not down with your "draw" proposal. The resource doesn't need to be protected from the relatively few flintlock hunters that have the flintlock acumen to actually connect on a deer... that starts with the ability to properly execute a shot using a flinter. Getting proper ignition eliminates most. An accurate hold, and lethal vital placement of the shot, eliminates as much or more. A x-bow... or compound for that matter, is much easier to execute within shot range. By all accounts, most scoped x-bow ranges are at least out to 50 yards. 90+ % of flintlock hunters, can't hit a deers vital at 50 yards even if they do get the flinter to propel lead down range. The "resource" needs much more protection from bowmen than it does "flint"men.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 17, 2017 16:39:51 GMT -5
.... oh, and something happened to my response to bush. I'm not ok with inlines either in a flinter... or if my wishes would come to fruition, a flinter/bow early season. But I would like the earlier season, combining flinter with the already early bow.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 17, 2017 17:09:10 GMT -5
Ridge when you are saying muzzleloaders are you including inlines? Yes. Any muzzleloader already legal in the early season. No doubt modern inlines are very efficient. That is why a limited draw would be necessary, as I suggested. Many states have an early muzzeloader season where antlered deer are legal. It just has to be managed correctly. Saw they issued 20,000 tags in various WMUs with a $20 fee to apply. Maybe another 3,000 bucks would be killed statewide, if that, and they would easily generate over a million. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 17, 2017 17:09:56 GMT -5
I'm not down with your "draw" proposal. The resource doesn't need to be protected from the relatively few flintlock hunters that have the flintlock acumen to actually connect on a deer... that starts with the ability to properly execute a shot using a flinter. Getting proper ignition eliminates most. An accurate hold, and lethal vital placement of the shot, eliminates as much or more. A x-bow... or compound for that matter, is much easier to execute within shot range. By all accounts, most scoped x-bow ranges are at least out to 50 yards. 90+ % of flintlock hunters, can't hit a deers vital at 50 yards even if they do get the flinter to propel lead down range. The "resource" needs much more protection from bowmen than it does "flint"men. I never said flintlock only. I said the early muzzleloader season where flintlocks are already legal. |
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Post by buzz on Jan 17, 2017 18:12:45 GMT -5
NOW I'M SMELLIN' WHAT YER COOKIN' Others have as well. A special draw for a permit to take a antlered deer in the early muzzleloading season. Many states have a early muzzleloader season where antlered deer are legal. To protect the resource, the available permits would have to be limited and available by a draw similar to the elk draw. It would certainly raise some much needed revenue. The number of permits per WMU would vary. Why don't we make it flint lock only, include them in the bow, x-bow season, and make it a draw for buck tags across all three weapons. It would make way more revenue if archery guys had to draw along with flint lock guys. i would be the first one to bet a hundred bucks that x-bows would still take more buck than flint lock......by double, and possibly triple. great revenue source making the archery guys draw for the early buck tag as well. If they didn't draw one, Option would be hunting late season with the rest of flinters and hoping for a buck then. |
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Post by Loggy on Jan 17, 2017 18:15:15 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of leaving flintlock season as is. No earlier, no later, no inlines. AMEN Bushy!!! |
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Post by longbeard2372 on Jan 17, 2017 19:48:00 GMT -5
Flintlock only is my vote. 👎 to inlines. Imho inlines should never be spoken in any tongue as a primitive or short range weapon. Any firearm that you can use a powered telescopic sight on is not short range or primitive. Now inlines with iron sights only? We may have something to talk about...
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Post by longbeard2372 on Jan 17, 2017 19:49:33 GMT -5
But I will stick fast to flintlocks and archery equipment ONLY after Christmas.NO COMPROMISE ON THAT
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Post by cspot on Jan 17, 2017 20:05:08 GMT -5
My opinion is they should have an inline muzzleloader season for days starting the Saturday after the regular rifle season. Buck and doe. No drawing for tags. Get rid of the early inline season in October.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 18, 2017 7:33:14 GMT -5
So. You want to take the current EARLY muzzy season, which is what 3 days, 5 days in October ? and includes both flinters and inlines, and you want to open that little early muzzy window to a "draw" type system, where a few lucky muzzleloader hunters (or "rifle" in the case of inlines) would be permitted to harvest a buck ? You also cite added revenue to the PGC by way of a non-refundable chance at a permit ? GOSH, we are miles apart here. *coffeespit* Please refer to my prior post as to why FLINTERS will not impact the resource (buck or doe) if FLINTER ONLY, were permitted to enter the 6 week fall fray that we now call Archery Season.
FLINCHERY SEASON or bust.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 18, 2017 7:44:24 GMT -5
Back in 2000, Alt touted the removal of the female persuasion (Doe if you will) from the herd PRIOR to the start of the rut. He cited less stress on the male rutting population, and a herd more in balance with what the biological make-up of what a deer herd should entail. They (the PGC) have implemented measures to accomplish just that. An early rifle for the young and elder folk, and an early muzzy (including inlines which are basically pseudo rifles). So, citing removal of the female persuasion from the herd earlier in the year, I found it confounding that the PGC initially only let the little critters that participated in the MY hunts, take a BUCK ? Why wouldn't a 7 yr old lad be just as ecstatic, taking a doe than a buck ? And it helps satisfy what Alt professed to be a biological need to eliminate more doe early ?
Anyhow, per the PGC direction when AR started, inlines are a big part of removing females from the herd early (prior to rut). They won't get rid of early inline (cough cough muzzy).
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 18, 2017 8:01:51 GMT -5
So. You want to take the current EARLY muzzy season, which is what 3 days, 5 days in October ? and includes both flinters and inlines, and you want to open that little early muzzy window to a "draw" type system, where a few lucky muzzleloader hunters (or "rifle" in the case of inlines) would be permitted to harvest a buck ? You also cite added revenue to the PGC by way of a non-refundable chance at a permit ? Yes. Yep. That's okay though. Has happened before I will happen again. Bottom line is many states have a early muzzleloader season where antlered and antlerless deer are legal. Some have a draw like I suggested. We already have the season in place. Just need a way to let the dedicated muzzleloader guys get a honest crack at a buck in that season. A limited draw would easily raise a million dollars and generate some big interest in this opportunity with little impact if managed correctly. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 18, 2017 8:08:09 GMT -5
Anyhow, per the PGC direction when AR started, inlines are a big part of removing females from the herd early (prior to rut). They won't get rid of early inline (cough cough muzzy). Correct. |
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Post by fleroo on Jan 18, 2017 8:09:18 GMT -5
Yes it is ok, and yes it will happen over and over and over. That's the beauty of me being me, and you being you.  Per your proposal, I guess it would be ok to have a draw system for a rifle hunter (let's include rifles too since inlines carry all the qualities of a rifle.. and their accoutrements), if the PGC wants to whore out for additional money. That being a non-refundable fee.... ala Elk draw. After all, what rifle hunter wouldn't want a chance at a "booner", and a buck hunt in fair fall weather. But again, I would be thrilled of they included the uber-low impact to the resource, Flintlocks, in with archery season. |
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Post by gwig on Feb 13, 2019 15:37:28 GMT -5
if you include inlines then u might just as well include rifles … I guess u don't hunt with a flinter or you would not want anyother rifles included
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Post by redarrow on Feb 13, 2019 17:08:50 GMT -5
A post from the past...........Has me wondering-What happened to loggy? Did he change screen names, vacation, .....hope he's okay.
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Post by Sr.Chief on Feb 13, 2019 17:15:40 GMT -5
A post from the past...........Has me wondering-What happened to loggy? Did he change screen names, vacation, .....hope he's okay. He back on an old site that he was on before this site. |
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Post by madirish on Aug 17, 2019 11:20:16 GMT -5
I've been building my flinters (for myself) You can purchase all the parts you need to build for less than the price of some of the brands you named. Yes, A little work with patience will provide a nice basic, Plain Jane flinter. You can shop around and get all the parts from Low to high price locks (new, used online at flee markets etc) Precarved stocks, choice of barrel caliber and length and makers. If one is in a hurry, you have to pay the piper. If you have time and patience. Hit the internet, the flee markets, garage sales. If you are unsure of needs. Get a friend who's knowledgeable in flinters to help you. Many flee market and garage finds vary from big projects to pristine and priced accordingly.
As for hunting seasons, for me there is only flintlock season. I have a rifle and smoothbore. Over the years since 1978, I've hunted and have harvested whitetail deer, groundhogs, varmints, squirrels, Doves, quail, chuckers, woodcocks, ruffed grouse, Ringneck Pheasants, crows, various rabbits, duck and Canada's geese, and enjoy busting clay's and shooting targets etc. All with my flint locked weapons. I have other long guns and handguns but I mostly hunted about 70% with my flinters. If my range will be over 150 yards, I will hunt humanely with what dispatches the prey properly. If I can get closer, I'll have my flinter. Due to my age and physical limitations my hunting has been greatly curtailed. But I work it out and keep the powder dry.
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Post by madirish on Oct 13, 2019 18:19:15 GMT -5
PA has an Early muzzleloader season for Antlerless (DOE) ONLY season in mid October. For the first three days any muzzleloader: perc, flint, inline, Check the PGC websight for restrictions. Proper county doe tag is required. Archery is also in season. The last three days Sr and Jr license holders can use any weapon with a county specific doe tag. Flo Orange requirements are in for it and caliber restrictions also apply. You need to check regulations. Day after Christmas the FLINTLOCK only season for two weeks + is open. PGC site for regulations. Hunters are responsible to know and follow. NO EXCUSES.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 19:17:29 GMT -5
Late season is more than 2 weeks. Runs 22 days this year. Cant wait
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Post by blackbruin on Oct 14, 2019 7:08:23 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not gonna get alot done come flintlock this year.....
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