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Post by willyp on Jan 15, 2017 7:06:57 GMT -5
Why are Flint lock Rifles so pricey ? I am talking about the Lyman's and the Traditions, not the custom made ones from the makers here in the U.S.A. The Lyman Great Plains Hunter has gone up to $680. The Deerstalker up to $480.The trade rifle is up to$518 . The Traditions line,not including the Deer Hunter,now range from $570 to $750! Plus shipping or Pa. sales tax! Are these not made out of the US and imported here? There is really not many parts to them and the steel is not that good so why do they cost so much ? The technology to build one is hundreds of years old so it is not full of innovations! Any ideas on this ?
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Post by buzz on Jan 15, 2017 7:41:42 GMT -5
Just a thought, but two of the most popular ML were the Thompson Center and the Lyman. Maybe when TC quit making them, it allowed Lyman to raise prices............supply/demand ?
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Post by cspot on Jan 15, 2017 7:56:51 GMT -5
Maybe because they make very few compared to the other muzzleloaders? Isn't PA about the only state with a flintlock only season?
Kinda like 410 shells costing more than 12 gauges.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 15, 2017 8:24:00 GMT -5
Obamacare!
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Post by redarrow on Jan 15, 2017 8:38:33 GMT -5
Trump will fix it.
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Post by cspot on Jan 15, 2017 8:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by redarrow on Jan 15, 2017 8:46:08 GMT -5
coffeespit
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Post by Loggy on Jan 15, 2017 8:48:15 GMT -5
They will be much cheaper to Americans once Trump forces those companies to manufacture them here or places an tariff on their imports.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 15, 2017 9:22:26 GMT -5
I think the main reason flinters are so expensive is they make so few of them. Less production efficiency.
You can buy a highly accurate Ruger American for about $400, because they make so many of them.
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Post by redarrow on Jan 15, 2017 9:30:56 GMT -5
I smell an excuse for turning flintlock season into muzzleloader season and the inclusion of in-lines and telescopic sights.
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Post by bushmaster on Jan 15, 2017 15:33:51 GMT -5
They are worth every penny! Love flinters!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 17:18:22 GMT -5
Invest in a custom flinter. You'll love hunting with it more than a production gun.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 15, 2017 17:58:08 GMT -5
I smell an excuse for turning flintlock season into muzzleloader season and the inclusion of in-lines and telescopic sights. You just can't help yourself, can ya.
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Post by good ole boy on Jan 15, 2017 18:21:35 GMT -5
It,s George W.Bush,s fault. coffeespit
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Post by redarrow on Jan 15, 2017 18:40:28 GMT -5
I smell an excuse for turning flintlock season into muzzleloader season and the inclusion of in-lines and telescopic sights. You just can't help yourself, can ya. Only if I choose to ignore the way things seem to go here, ridge. Is there currently any effort on the part of the do-gooders to change flintlock season to muzzleloader season and open it to inlines and scopes? ..........Maybe the issue is in stealth mode and will be sprung after all the ducks are lined up? Flintlock hunters seem to be the most dedicated of all PA hunters so they may not stand around a let it happen without a fight.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 15, 2017 18:45:38 GMT -5
Is there currently any effort on the part of the do-gooders to change flintlock season to muzzleloader season and open it to inlines and scopes? Nope. Nope again. I asked for the late flintlock season to be extended two weeks, to close on the same date as it does in the SRA, to give the flintlockers more time. With rifle season declining in participation, it seems that a little extra time for the flintlock group is in order with minimal impact. Yep.
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Post by redarrow on Jan 15, 2017 18:54:10 GMT -5
I think a season started right after reg deer season and running three Saturdays after Christmas would be a good idea. I've only hunted FL last year and the year before, and don't know if I'll hunt it often or not, so it doesn't matter much to me personally.
I hope the season never includes inlines.
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Post by dennyf on Jan 15, 2017 23:51:07 GMT -5
Flinter season could and should run the entire month of January. Low impact on the resource, many days lost to rainy weather.
I paid around $350 for my Traditions "PA Hunter" 50 cal. maybe six years ago. They are made in Spain. Bass Pro had already stopped selling flintlocks that long ago. They only sell inlines, had a heck of a time finding a fliontlock. Had another Traditions flinter as a backup for my old T/C Hawken long before then, donated it to our club's 4H youth shooting program.
While that is basically an indoor precision air rifle program, they do outdoors sessions in the spring, with trap, flintlock and AR 15s, to give the kids a broader experience with shooting sports.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 16, 2017 7:48:49 GMT -5
Flinter season could and should run the entire month of January. Low impact on the resource, many days lost to rainy weather. . I agree and I asked the commissioners to consider exactly that at the upcoming meeting. Currently flintlock is over outside of the SRA, but continues to the 28th within them. With the recent efforts of the PGC to streamline regulations combined with the extremely low impact, it seems an easy way to add opportunity statewide. Maybe you and some others will also let the commissioners know there is some support for this?
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 16, 2017 8:02:06 GMT -5
In the North where deer are stressed with snow, ice and food at a minimum, two more weeks of harassment could very well hurt fawn production.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 16, 2017 8:02:06 GMT -5
I hope the season never includes inlines. I don't see it on the radar any time soon since there is currently a muzzleloader season where all devices are legal.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 16, 2017 8:13:59 GMT -5
In the North where deer are stressed with snow, ice and food at a minimum, two more weeks of harassment could very well hurt fawn production. Are there really enough flintlockers up "north" to stress the deer?
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 16, 2017 8:24:32 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 8:28:05 GMT -5
Our deer are not really bothered much during flintlock season. Actually, they aren't really harassed a whole lot during rifle season after the first two days. I would say there might be more of a problem with availability of browse in some areas, but certainly not in all.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 16, 2017 8:57:14 GMT -5
I don't hunt up north so I can't add personal observations from that area. What I can tell you is that a large portion of our license sales come from the large population centers and the deer are not stressed from flintlock season around here. The way Pa's winters have changed over the past 50 years, I am not sure if deer are even stressed at all that much any longer during winter. Especially with herd reduction.
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