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Post by dennyf on Jan 16, 2017 9:00:06 GMT -5
Doubt flintlock hunters stress deer to any great degree, anywhere in the state?
While there is some driving and cooperation among flintlock hunters to move deer, most of it is solitary still hunting, or a few people working together from time to time. From what I've seen, most of that takes place on a Saturday. When I used to go up on SGL 170 after Christmas, most I ever encountered on the first Saturday of flinter seasons, was one or two other hunters by themselves.
Flintlock hunting at our gun club used to draw a dozen or more hunters out after Christmas, especially if we had snow on the ground. Last two seasons, doubt there were more than three or four guys out for flintlock at any one time and we have more deer on the property now, than ever.
Got a hunch that any upswing in muzzle loader license sales, was due to the early doe season, when inlines and percussion rifles can be used?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 9:05:05 GMT -5
As fat as our deer are, I don't think winter stress is much of an issue. It might be in areas where the habitat has not improved much. And especially since winters have become milder due to global warming------
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Post by Loggy on Jan 16, 2017 9:09:48 GMT -5
Invest in a custom flinter. You'll love hunting with it more than a production gun. Yep......no comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 9:12:17 GMT -5
Not that an extended flintlock season would benefit me all that much. I usually don't have any tags left by the end of rifle season, or have decided I have enough venison for the year and decide not to fill a doe tag. It looks like we are going out to camp this weekend, so I'll let you know how stressed the deer are. We will be taking down treestands, and probably bothering them more than if we were hunting.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 16, 2017 9:21:29 GMT -5
We used to have a good group of 4-5 guys every weekend in flintlock season. The last two years I hunted solo every day I went out for flintlock. It is like pulling teeth to get anybody to go hunting in any season these days.
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Post by jj103 on Jan 16, 2017 9:34:41 GMT -5
We are about as far north as you can get in Pa. and I will assure you the deer are not getting stressed in muzzleloader season. but I can't say the same for us hunters when buzz goes with us.
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Post by dennyf on Jan 16, 2017 9:54:28 GMT -5
Shouldn't he be on the way to FL by now? Maybe just needs some help packing? smileys-whistling-823718
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Post by jj103 on Jan 16, 2017 10:17:35 GMT -5
Shouldn't he be on the way to FL by now? Maybe just needs some help packing? smileys-whistling-823718 he left this morning, its going to be a great day
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Post by davet on Jan 16, 2017 14:22:06 GMT -5
It's been about three years now that I decided to buy parts (not a kit now.....just the parts) to build a Leman reproduction flinter. So I ordered "parts" from Track of the Wolf such as a lock, trigger guard, ramrod guides. I have a barrel from someone's abandoned project but I have to get the breech cut and threaded to accept a tang. (ToTW does this for about $50) The barrel I have is from a percussion rifle. I picked up a Leman stock from a local gun show. All tallied up I have about $450 in just the "stuff". Now.....It's all top quality "stuff"....but the stock needs inletted for the lock and trigger, the barrel channel needs some fitting done, the barrel needs pinned as does the trigger and trigger guard....well....it needs "built." For the rifle to come out looking good, a "good" amount of time needs to go into it. It's on my list....and will get done in baby steps.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 16, 2017 15:41:28 GMT -5
Mid 80's, we would get a gang together and drive parts of the state forest in SW Tioga County. Never saw another hunter, period.
Only people we saw were snowmobilers who thought they owned the roads and people that had chains on had no business back there, screwing up their roads.
One year we had 5% of the reported kill, next year, we had 7% of the reported kill for Tioga County.
It was loads of fun.
Always had someone in camp for flinter season, up until maybe 5-7 years ago. No more.
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Post by buzz on Jan 16, 2017 18:03:43 GMT -5
Shouldn't he be on the way to FL by now? Maybe just needs some help packing? smileys-whistling-823718 he left this morning, its going to be a great day I feel so guilty, leaving all of them with no adult supervision all winter..................it's only mid 50s here in lower Virginia, but the bus will land in Jacksonville tmrw afternoon.........to 79 degree . Yeah baby.......shorts and flip flops.............I will send pics for Dave !!
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Post by buzz on Jan 16, 2017 18:05:36 GMT -5
Mid 80's, we would get a gang together and drive parts of the state forest in SW Tioga County. Never saw another hunter, period. Only people we saw were snowmobilers who thought they owned the roads and people that had chains on had no business back there, screwing up their roads. One year we had 5% of the reported kill, next year, we had 7% of the reported kill for Tioga County. It was loads of fun. Always had someone in camp for flinter season, up until maybe 5-7 years ago. No more. Beginning to understand why there are no deer left on your lease............. fighting0092
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Post by jj103 on Jan 16, 2017 21:47:06 GMT -5
Wow Dutch Buzz is right it wasn't the PGC and HR that ruined your deer herd, It was you!!
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Post by dennyf on Jan 16, 2017 22:58:22 GMT -5
EASY now! We were all just starting to feel the warmth again and not the kind ya find down there in the wet, hot, flat place.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 17, 2017 11:45:16 GMT -5
Screw the last couple weeks of January. YOU should petition the commissioner's to allow ME to harvest an antlered deer the last 2 weeks of our traditional archery season, by way of flinter. I'd do it, but I'm a follower, not a leader. And you have all that practice from x-bow inclusion.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 17, 2017 13:27:55 GMT -5
YOU should petition the commissioner's to allow ME to harvest an antlered deer the last 2 weeks of our traditional archery season, by way of flinter. How about allowing you to take a buck with any muzzleloader in the existing early muzzleloader season with a limited draw permit?
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Post by fleroo on Jan 17, 2017 13:57:01 GMT -5
Has always been a bug-a-boo of mine, that the PGC doesn't glean enough readily available information, on all things hunter/hunting metrics, in this day and age. It is very easy to capture granular information, which would help with decision-making, by utilizing the potential of a very basic and simple database. From a professional standpoint, I know the mechanics of a database, and what it can and should provide. Money is of little consequence when it comes to such matters, as DBA's are employed by the agency/state anyhow for a multitude of other reasons. Segregating flinters from inliners, or x-bows from trad or compound, are just a couple examples. Why rely on anecdotal whims ? It seems enough people wonder what these types of impact can be, utilize the power of the E-age PGC.
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Post by bushmaster on Jan 17, 2017 14:06:03 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of leaving flintlock season as is. No earlier, no later, no inlines.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 17, 2017 14:06:43 GMT -5
NOW I'M SMELLIN' WHAT YER COOKIN'
Hell, for that matter, how 'bout just allowing Flinters to combine with archers for the entire 6 week season ? We can call the season something like "Flinchery Season" ? WTF, they do it for the combined season after Xmas. An added bonus is, you only have to manage a single tag called a "Flinchery Tag" instead of archer and muzzy. A true "muzzy" tag would still be sold for the inliners. How ya like them apples ? ......... that's what I thought. *coffeespit*
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Post by buzz on Jan 17, 2017 15:00:12 GMT -5
YOU should petition the commissioner's to allow ME to harvest an antlered deer the last 2 weeks of our traditional archery season, by way of flinter. How about allowing you to take a buck with any muzzleloader in the existing early muzzleloader season with a limited draw permit? Flinch lock , buck or doe, last two weeks of archery.........no draw.........unless archery guys want to be part of the draw as well
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Post by fleroo on Jan 17, 2017 15:31:09 GMT -5
Ya, forgot to mention to Ridge that I didn't like his thought on a "draw". Why draw ?
I still like "Flinchery" as a Flinter/Archery combo for the full 6 weeks. WE (flinters) share our late flint season with archers. It's not too much to ask that THEY (archers) share their earlier season with us, is it ? After all, nothing can get less impactful to the resource than a flinter.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 17, 2017 15:42:18 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of leaving flintlock season as is. No earlier, no later, no inlines. Yep. Me too. But I would like to see it longer.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 17, 2017 15:46:45 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of leaving flintlock season as is. No earlier, no later, no inlines. Yep. Me too. But I would like to see it longer.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 17, 2017 15:49:27 GMT -5
NOW I'M SMELLIN' WHAT YER COOKIN' Others have as well. A special draw for a permit to take a antlered deer in the early muzzleloading season. Many states have a early muzzleloader season where antlered deer are legal. To protect the resource, the available permits would have to be limited and available by a draw similar to the elk draw. It would certainly raise some much needed revenue. The number of permits per WMU would vary.
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Post by longbeard2372 on Jan 17, 2017 16:21:04 GMT -5
NOW I'M SMELLIN' WHAT YER COOKIN' Others have as well. A special draw for a permit to take a antlered deer in the early muzzleloading season. Many states have a early muzzleloader season where antlered deer are legal. To protect the resource, the available permits would have to be limited and available by a draw similar to the elk draw. It would certainly raise some much needed revenue. The number of permits per WMU would vary. Ridge when you are saying muzzleloaders are you including inlines? If so you may as well make it a single shot season cause them inlines aint nothing but a single shot 30-30 with thier 3x9 scopes and 200+ yd shots. Imho Heck I say instead of that week of bow bear make it bow bear and deer and add that week for flintlock deer and bear. Not many bear taken with a flinter. But thats a pipe dream and noone would think of such a season.
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