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Post by Muab Dib on Jan 10, 2014 8:13:02 GMT -5
I agree Loggy; I don't doubt that a 150 is likely a better bullet for our smallish PA deer, I'm just say'n that it doesn't take 4 hits with a 180 gr. Rem. RN Core-Lokt out of an '06 to drop one of our deer if hit right, and I'm willing to bet that thousands of deer are killed with just that same bullet each year in PA with no issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 10:48:30 GMT -5
Ok, my first hit was directly through both lungs right below the shoulder blade. The buck started running and I hit it in the back leg, it kept running. I fired a third time and hit it in the ham, it kept running. My dad and I followed it into a woodlot 200 yards distant and found it laying next to a tree with it's head erect looking at us. I fired my fourth shot into his shoulder and the head went down and that did it.
My Dad shot a 10 pointer at a distance of 60 yards from his treestand. He hit it in the shoulder and it did the whole "snowplow thing" running with just it's hind legs trying to get away. He shot it twice more and it was dead. 180 grain CL round nose.
My dad jumped a trophy class buck and shot it through the liver as it ran. The deer made it around 500 yards and ended up on a Posted piece of ground. My dad was not granted permission to retrieve it but the landowner did retrieve it and had it scored and mounted. It scored 128" if I remember right. My dad tried to buy the mount bt the owner wouldn't sell. 180 grain CL round nose.
My dad shot a forkhorn through the lungs. It ran 150 yards and an old guy finished it. My dad clearly had the first killing shot but since the gentleman was elderly my dad helped him drag it and load it. He killed a six pointer later that day. 180 CL round nose.
My dad had another instance where he shot a buck and it ran a ways onto private land. He blood trailed it but the owner ordered him off his land and kept the buck. My dad's 180 CL adventures were before mine. He was a slow learner. After my episode I read an article by Jim Carmichael in Outdoor Life where he explained that the 150 grain is twice the deer bullet the 180 grain is. I had 150's for the very next season and so did my dad. We started experiencing DRT kills and my dad was shocked. He thought it was normal for deer to run a little after being hit. I got dumb in my later years and reloaded some 180 grain Sierra spitzers for deer. I shot three doe in one year and I didn't think I had hit any of them. It wasn't until the follow up that I realized there was a blood trail. I did drop the biggest buck of my life with those bullets but he was still alive when I got up to him and I had to finish him. I broke both shoulders and that's the only reason he dropped.
I was at the Public Library and a guy walked up to me and asked me if I want to buy a .30-06 Winchester. I had seen him in there before and we had talked hunting. I asked how much and he said $180. I said sure but I asked him why he would part with his .30-06 so cheap? He said it's no good for deer. I asked why? He said he shot a buck and it went down but jumped back to it's feet and kept running. It ran towards the road and he heard a vehicle stop and somebody shot. The roadhunters were already tagging the buck when he walked up to it. He said his shot and theirs were well placed. I asked him what bullet? He replied "180 grain round nose". He gave me the rest of the bullets with the gun and they were indeed Remingtons.
i could go on but that's enough for now.
Don't use Elk bullets for deer.
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Post by Muab Dib on Jan 10, 2014 11:19:27 GMT -5
Well then, with stories like that if I were you Mike I wouldn't use them anymore... smiley-hug006
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 11:46:10 GMT -5
That's why I don't. Nothing like a 150 in a .30-06! My boy has me hung up on these darn .270's now though.  |
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Post by bghunter on Jan 10, 2014 11:54:50 GMT -5
Good place to hang!!
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Post by dougell on Jan 10, 2014 12:21:44 GMT -5
Back when I had a 30-06 and shot factory loads,the worst terminal performance I had and my brother had were with 150 gr corelocks.I used 165 sierra boat tails for a couple years and they did better.Personally,I like a heavy for caliber bullet that opens up.I've had good luck with 180 gr SST's in my 300 wsm's.Lately I've been using 180 gr accubonds and they flat out hammer deer.Usually they drop and never even twitch.I'm a huge fan of bonded bullets for deer.I rifled several deer this year with accubonds and all dropped like they were struck by lightening and none were hit high in the shoulder.
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Post by Muab Dib on Jan 10, 2014 12:41:34 GMT -5
One final thought before I head to the cabin (rain and all): That Remington 30 Cal. 180 gr. RN Core-Lokt bullet is the same Remington 30 cal. 180 gr. RN Core-Lokt bullet that Remington has used in the 300 Savage, 30-40 Krag & 308 Win. for a very very long time. And...likely of the same construction as the 200 gr. 35 cal. RN Remington Core-Lokt used in the 35 Remington. I'm bet'n a boat load of PA whitetails have been put on the table with them without any complaints.
Is it the best bullet for our PA whitetails? Likely not. But I have yet to be convinced that they're the "elk bullet" only that you're saying Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 9:32:58 GMT -5
One final thought before I head to the cabin (rain and all): That Remington 30 Cal. 180 gr. RN Core-Lokt bullet is the same Remington 30 cal. 180 gr. RN Core-Lokt bullet that Remington has used in the 300 Savage, 30-40 Krag & 308 Win. for a very very long time. And...likely of the same construction as the 200 gr. 35 cal. RN Remington Core-Lokt used in the 35 Remington. I'm bet'n a boat load of PA whitetails have been put on the table with them without any complaints. Is it the best bullet for our PA whitetails? Likely not. But I have yet to be convinced that they're the "elk bullet" only that you're saying Mike. Muab I can only say what I've seen and I've been blessed with the opportunity not to have to guess. |
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Post by Muab Dib on Jan 11, 2014 10:27:30 GMT -5
Likewise Mike. Muab |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 10:27:08 GMT -5
I'll tell you what Dave, I need to go pick up some round balls to replace the ones I used practicing with the loaner flintlock (which was pretty fun I must admit), so I'll pick up a box of Leverultion for the 30-30 and take some pent up aggression out at the range for having no luck on deer this year.
I might grab a box of Hornady for the 30-06 just to compare to the CoreLokts I usually get. Allegedly, that American Whitetail stuff is supposed to be good bang for your buck.
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Post by acorn20 on Jan 13, 2014 13:51:11 GMT -5
I used to always shoot Remington 180 Round Nose Core-lokt in my Model 99 .300 Savage. Why? Because that's what my grandfather and father always shot. I got tired of hitting deer in the boiler only to have them run out of sight with a long tracking job ensuing.
Then I had the opportunity to sit with a couple of fellows on a deer hunt who also like their Model 99s. Both of them had shooting at bucks that day. One dropped the buck in his tracks and the other one might have traveled 10 yards before pilling up. When I asked them what bullet they were shooting, both replied Remington 150 grain Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt. I made the switch to 150 grain PSP and haven't looked back.
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Post by davet on Jan 13, 2014 17:06:32 GMT -5
I'll tell you what Dave, I need to go pick up some round balls to replace the ones I used practicing with the loaner flintlock (which was pretty fun I must admit), so I'll pick up a box of Leverultion for the 30-30 and take some pent up aggression out at the range for having no luck on deer this year. I might grab a box of Hornady for the 30-06 just to compare to the CoreLokts I usually get. Allegedly, that American Whitetail stuff is supposed to be good bang for your buck. CL3.....you have to do yourself some justice and get into reloading. You don't need to invest a pile of money (well, not yet....not like what I have in reloading equipment) but a simple Lee single stage press and a scale and a powder dispenser will do ya just fine. What you will find is you will probably spend the same amount of money on "ammo cost", but you will shoot a bunch more. I shoot (between handgun, and rifle) thousands of rounds a year. OTOH, it's my hobby. I use to golf, but I can't do that anymore. So.....I hunt when the season comes in, and when it's not, I shoot. I shoot paper, clays, steel, pins, or whatever the day may hold when I feel good. Reloading is my pastime. Perhaps at this point in your life you don't have the time for all of that. But maybe in the future you will. Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 10:08:30 GMT -5
I used to always shoot Remington 180 Round Nose Core-lokt in my Model 99 .300 Savage. Why? Because that's what my grandfather and father always shot. I got tired of hitting deer in the boiler only to have them run out of sight with a long tracking job ensuing.
Then I had the opportunity to sit with a couple of fellows on a deer hunt who also like their Model 99s. Both of them had shooting at bucks that day. One dropped the buck in his tracks and the other one might have traveled 10 yards before pilling up. When I asked them what bullet they were shooting, both replied Remington 150 grain Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt. I made the switch to 150 grain PSP and haven't looked back. That's what I've been talking about! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 18:00:01 GMT -5
Same thing I was talkin about too Mike. Sorta a commonality that several posts here are formulating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 18:30:46 GMT -5
Same thing I was talkin about too Mike. Sorta a commonality that several posts here are formulating. Yep. What it comes down to is the same thing it always has come down to, some people have done it and speak from experience and others do their best job of guessing. On this subject I'm one of the fortunate ones who doesn't have to guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 9:23:52 GMT -5
I'll tell you what Dave, I need to go pick up some round balls to replace the ones I used practicing with the loaner flintlock (which was pretty fun I must admit), so I'll pick up a box of Leverultion for the 30-30 and take some pent up aggression out at the range for having no luck on deer this year. I might grab a box of Hornady for the 30-06 just to compare to the CoreLokts I usually get. Allegedly, that American Whitetail stuff is supposed to be good bang for your buck. CL3.....you have to do yourself some justice and get into reloading. You don't need to invest a pile of money (well, not yet....not like what I have in reloading equipment) but a simple Lee single stage press and a scale and a powder dispenser will do ya just fine. What you will find is you will probably spend the same amount of money on "ammo cost", but you will shoot a bunch more. I shoot (between handgun, and rifle) thousands of rounds a year. OTOH, it's my hobby. I use to golf, but I can't do that anymore. So.....I hunt when the season comes in, and when it's not, I shoot. I shoot paper, clays, steel, pins, or whatever the day may hold when I feel good. Reloading is my pastime. Perhaps at this point in your life you don't have the time for all of that. But maybe in the future you will. Dave Dave: I checked the return on investment for reloading and it'd be years. Correct, I can't take on reloading right now time wise... The little ones and all. Off to Gander this morning. I should be on the ice... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 10:53:45 GMT -5
All depends how much you sink into reloading right off the bat. I started out years ago with just a Lee Loader, about a $20 investment. I loaded a lot of .357 magnum with that thing and then I bought another Lee Loader in .30-30. After that I got a Lee Hand press for $25. I actually just turned out 50 .270 140 grain NBT's on that Hand press two days ago. Do I have a bench mounted press? Yep, but I found I like the hand press better unless I need more camming power for magnum cartridges. I never bought a tumbler I just shoot dirty brass  . I never bought a case trimmer, just use a template and a file . I don't chamfer necks or deburr primer pockets . And I still use Lee powder dippers . And for this modest investment how are my loads, my reloads shoot great thanks.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 14:01:24 GMT -5
No 30-30 Leverlution at gander this morning! No 9mm no .22. No good shells for rabbit hunt either.
They had tons of .223 and 7x62 though. No deals. Got last box of hornady .50 cal round balls for $23 and that was it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 19:46:38 GMT -5
Tried tons of factory ammo over the years & ended up finding Hornady's offerings to be outstanding especially their new Superformance line. They are also more price friendly than some of thee other customs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 9:54:03 GMT -5
Tried tons of factory ammo over the years & ended up finding Hornady's offerings to be outstanding especially their new Superformance line. They are also more price friendly than some of thee other customs. And I have seen numerous threads started about how that Superformance junk has damaged firearms or just caused pressure problems in general. If you want more performance from a standard cartridge the answer is a magnum. Superformance and +P gimmicks are done to try to create magnum performance from a non magnum just like Hornady Leverevolutions (while excellent) are to try to turn short range levergun cartridges into something they're not. If you want a magnum get one. If you have a problem with the "magnum moniker" get a .270 Win. You'll still shoot flatter than anything you would be buying Hornady's gimmicks for and you'll be doing it at a safe pressure for any firearm. 30-30's and 45-70's are for 150 yards and under. The .270 covers the rest nicely. +P+! |
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Post by dougell on Jan 20, 2014 17:06:49 GMT -5
Reloading is the ticket if you like to shoot.You really won't save much money though because you'll shoot more often.I like being able to use better components and customize my loads.I bought my son a .243 when he was seven.I loaded 32 gr of IMR 3031 behind a 70gr ballistic tip.He shot about 200 rounds of that load before he ever hunted.It got him used to the muzzle blast without much recoil.Just before hunting season that year,I worked up a mild load with 95 gr ballsitic tips.This year he thought he was a seasoned pro so I worked up a hot load with 90 gr accubonds.I'm gonna buy my daughter a 7mm-08 and do the same routine with her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 18:25:58 GMT -5
Tried tons of factory ammo over the years & ended up finding Hornady's offerings to be outstanding especially their new Superformance line. They are also more price friendly than some of thee other customs. And I have seen numerous threads started about how that Superformance junk has damaged firearms or just caused pressure problems in general. If you want more performance from a standard cartridge the answer is a magnum. Superformance and +P gimmicks are done to try to create magnum performance from a non magnum just like Hornady Leverevolutions (while excellent) are to try to turn short range levergun cartridges into something they're not. If you want a magnum get one. If you have a problem with the "magnum moniker" get a .270 Win. You'll still shoot flatter than anything you would be buying Hornady's gimmicks for and you'll be doing it at a safe pressure for any firearm. 30-30's and 45-70's are for 150 yards and under. The .270 covers the rest nicely. +P+! Mike...think ur confused between some of the older +P stuff VS Hornady's Superformance line which actually has less chamber pressure than some of the mainstream factory fodder. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 11:50:56 GMT -5
Nope, I'm talking about Hornady Superformance. Don't believe that line that you get more speed with less pressure. It's not true and there is no free lunch. Hornady has not invented "magic powders". Since it's inception I've heard of more than a few pressure problems with this new ammo. It's hard on firearms just as all +P ammo is.
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Post by dougell on Jan 23, 2014 15:02:58 GMT -5
Hogdon is manufacturing the superperformace powder for Hornady and selling it to reloaders now.If you look at the data it appears to increase performance in certain cartridges but the pressures looked kinda high to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 18:44:31 GMT -5
Nope, I'm talking about Hornady Superformance. Don't believe that line that you get more speed with less pressure. It's not true and there is no free lunch. Hornady has not invented "magic powders". Since it's inception I've heard of more than a few pressure problems with this new ammo. It's hard on firearms just as all +P ammo is. Well, well...I guess Hornady shulda did their homework inasmuch prior to puting such an an extremely unsafe product out without scientific pressure testing. This will surely result in law suits bankrupting Hornady in connection with their gross negligence!! LOL!! Mike...you do offer an entertainment element although such not being factually based!!  |
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