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Post by Dutch on Feb 18, 2014 13:38:36 GMT -5
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Post by Muab Dib on Feb 18, 2014 14:04:36 GMT -5
I read the NRA article in the American Rifleman magazine and can't quite swallow that the shortage is a result of so many new shooters getting into the sport and needing ammo to shoot. That's pure unadulterated "straw through the cow". I think it's fair to say that the shortage began the day of the Newtown shootings and the Obama administration's push to further their "Gun Control" agenda; ie disarm Americans. Immediately following the Newtown shooting and the Administration's push to restrict 2nd Amendment rights folks went in hoards to gather up ammo and guns that they felt would be unavailable in the near future. They were fearful of not being able to get what they might need or want. Are we hoarding? Sure, we're hoarding....but the fear was put in place by Obama and his quest to disarm law abiding Americans and take away our 2nd Amendment rights. Essentially what Obama did in his quest for power was to arm a nation of citizens as it's never been armed before.
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Post by Dutch on Feb 18, 2014 14:10:37 GMT -5
When you create many new shooters over the last decade, then scare them, they buy and keep buying. My brother, when I was just trying to find a few 223 rounds to shoot assured me not to worry, he still had his stockpile, hoarded during the Clinton years.  The other day, I went to the store needing one loaf of bread. When I saw the shelves empty, but racks of bread in the aisle waiting to be put on the shelves, I took 2 loaves. When I walked out of the store I anylized what I had just done. It was that "empy shelf" syndrome, just as explained in the article. I froze the bread. |
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Post by Muab Dib on Feb 18, 2014 14:33:03 GMT -5
Dutch, the bottom line is that it's a fear of of our own government that's currently in place, and the fear of impending tyranny that is the driving force that caused this ammo shortage. It's that simple, and the very reason the 2nd Amendment was put into place by our Founders. They, in their circumstance and foresight, knew the ramifications of an unarmed citizenry under the heel of an oppressive government.
"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed." - Judge Alex Kozinski
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Post by davet on Feb 18, 2014 16:29:37 GMT -5
Dutch, the bottom line is that it's a fear of of our own government that's currently in place, and the fear of impending tyranny that is the driving force that caused this ammo shortage. It's that simple, and the very reason the 2nd Amendment was put into place by our Founders. They, in their present circumstance and foresight, knew the ramifications of an unarmed citizenry under the heel of an oppressive government.
"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed." - Judge Alex Kozinski Muab That's true. Something like what had happened under the Hitler regime during WW-II and the concentration camps. Of course, once we (the allies) freed those encampments we no longer have issues like that going on in the world today. And if we did, surely most sane people would step in and do something. BBC News on North Korea prison encampments. So....why would anyone be fearful of a Government who constantly is impugned for receiving bribes, kickbacks, and uses their power for personal gain? Why would anyone be concerned that there would be any type of hidden agenda behind additional gun control, gun registration, and gun confiscation? I dunno....some people are funny like that. Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 16:45:28 GMT -5
Dutch, the bottom line is that it's a fear of of our own government that's currently in place, and the fear of impending tyranny that is the driving force that caused this ammo shortage. It's that simple, and the very reason the 2nd Amendment was put into place by our Founders. They, in their circumstance and foresight, knew the ramifications of an unarmed citizenry under the heel of an oppressive government.
"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed." - Judge Alex Kozinski Muab While I absolutely agree that it is individual shooters who have driven up the price of ammo and brought the shelf supply in shops to near non-existence, I also agree that at least some of the reason for this has to be fear of our government. And why would we not fear a government that has stated firmly and repeatedly that it does not respect the constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms? I'll bite. Give me a reason that makes sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 16:52:50 GMT -5
Probably along with the previous 6 loaves from the 3 storms before thus one. |
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Post by Dutch on Feb 18, 2014 16:59:10 GMT -5
Yes, Todd, thats why the shelves were empty, bread hoarding, and I also got a gallon of milk I didn't need. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 17:11:56 GMT -5
How hard can it be to make more ammo? By now they should be able to run as efficiently as possible. Unless there like my job where they don't do preventative maintenance and wonder why the machine's always broke.
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Post by Muab Dib on Feb 18, 2014 17:17:58 GMT -5
"How hard can it be to make more ammo?" My understanding from the major ammo manufacturers is that they're running 24-7...can't do much more then that. So...?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 17:28:41 GMT -5
Then people must really like to buy ammo. I may buy one box a year if that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 19:38:49 GMT -5
When you create many new shooters over the last decade, then scare them, they buy and keep buying. My brother, when I was just trying to find a few 223 rounds to shoot assured me not to worry, he still had his stockpile, hoarded during the Clinton years. The other day, I went to the store needing one loaf of bread. When I saw the shelves empty, but racks of bread in the aisle waiting to be put on the shelves, I took 2 loaves. When I walked out of the store I anylized what I had just done. It was that "empy shelf" syndrome, just as explained in the article. I froze the bread. LOL!! Mebbie things have calmed down a lil since the YK2000 scare & I can start using up the powdered milk plus the 10 tons of nut coal in my emergency bunker!!!!!  Of course...theres always a BIG BAD BOGGIEMAN just around the corner ready to GETSHA!! LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 19:53:45 GMT -5
[/quote]LOL!! Mebbie things have calmed down a lil since the YK2000 scare & I can start using up the powdered milk plus the 10 tons of nut coal in my emergency bunker!!!!! Of course...theres always a BIG BAD BOGGIEMAN just around the corner ready to GETSHA!! LOL[/quote] It's that frame of mind that will get you into trouble one day. Always be prepared. Ask the Jews if they thought Hitler was going to do what he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 13:12:35 GMT -5
The shortage begins and ends with hoarding. The hoarders fear what the Gov't will do next...........With good reason I suppose.
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Post by melody on Mar 4, 2014 11:47:17 GMT -5
And don't forget the coming "zombie appocolyse" or "alien invasion" that we need to be prepared for! smileys-whistling-823718
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Post by johns on Mar 4, 2014 16:16:16 GMT -5
The fear of Zombies nust be a real concern. Otherwise, why would Hornady manufacture ammo specifically to shoot zombies? smileys-whistling-823718
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Post by Dutch on Mar 4, 2014 17:00:32 GMT -5
I'm still waiting on backordered 6.5 bullets, from early December, I think.
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Post by dennyf on Mar 4, 2014 19:22:42 GMT -5
Were they "normal" 6.5 bullets, or 6.5 zombie apocalypse bullets?
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Post by Dutch on Mar 4, 2014 20:37:56 GMT -5
Were they "normal" 6.5 bullets, or 6.5 zombie apocalypse bullets? Just normal deer killin' stuff. I keep the zombie stuff in the AR........just in case. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 20:43:26 GMT -5
And don't forget the coming "zombie appocolyse" or "alien invasion" that we need to be prepared for! smileys-whistling-823718 Yup Mel.. fear of a potential "zombie appocolyse" or "alien invasion" is even worse than the BIG BAD BOGGIEMAN gettin ya!! LOL!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 21:19:31 GMT -5
Were they "normal" 6.5 bullets, or 6.5 zombie apocalypse bullets? Just normal deer killin' stuff. I keep the zombie stuff in the AR........just in case. [/quote Should of bought a 270. Just sayin. |
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Post by dennyf on Mar 5, 2014 21:39:05 GMT -5
Are there now zombie chipmunks, too? popcorn
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Mar 8, 2014 7:22:45 GMT -5
I have a late 1940's Am Rifleman with an article about an ammo shortage, which the NRA blamed on hoarding. At the time, many were calling for congressional investigations. Some blamed the war resources management agency that was still in operation after the war to manage scarce war materials, but they had already stopped regulating brass and lead.
as for why the companies don't just make more, machinery, source material contracts and labor are long term investments and paying for a million dollar machine, a building to house it and employees to operate it are major investments that won't be recouped if the bottom drops out of the hoarding in 5 months or even a year.
One fellow here keeps buying despite having what I estimate to be a few hundred thousand rounds. It is what he thinks will be currency when SHTF. I figure the price of previously owned ammo will drop like a rock eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 8:26:26 GMT -5
Interesting. I didn't know we had ammo shortages before this one
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Post by bud16057 on Apr 5, 2014 20:47:06 GMT -5
Things seem to be getting a little better. The only thing I haven't saw in stock much is .22lr ammo, it can still be difficult to find. Online and in the better ran local shops the reloading components seem to be getting caught up, though some types of powder and primers can be difficult to get. I've managed to keep enough supplies to keep shooting, but I'm always looking to add to the inventory if an item I use a lot of is available. I am trying not to be a hoarder that is contributing to the problem, but when you can end up waiting a few months on components, it is really hard to not buy something you'll use in the future with the irratic supply situation we've had to deal with the last while back.
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Of course...theres always a BIG BAD BOGGIEMAN just around the corner ready to GETSHA!! LOL
