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Post by fleroo on Jan 3, 2024 10:14:12 GMT -5
Just read current issue of PON. A guy was fined for using a drone at night, to find a wounded deer. Apparently per the article, the PGC set up a "sting" to catch the guy ? Which means somebody had to know he was contacted to use the drone for a recovery, and that person contacted the PGC. From what I gather, the guy was contacted by a hunter that wounded a deer in rifle season, in Lancaster County ? This "drone guy" apparently advertises on another drone recovery guys website that is from Ohio, where it is legal to use a drone for recovery. Anyhow, he met the hunter in the area where the deer was wounded apparently. It was at night, and the drone was casting a light trying to find the deer. The PGC, being tipped off... more than likely from a message board conversation, were waiting to nail the guy. I'm certainly indifferent on making this a legal method to recover deer. My thoughts I guess is, the PGC could issue permits from drone recovery operators, and allow their use IF the PGC is contacted and given the location, hunters name, etc... where it will be used. I also see this creating issues with trespass, especially at night, when used around private properties ? I dunno, like I said, I'm kinda indifferent on it ? What I do know, is that this guy should have never done it, knowing full well it isn't legal in PA. I don't see it happening, but the article stated it could carry a $2500 fine, and up to 3 months jail. The PGC did seize the guys drone, which I'm sure isn't cheap.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 3, 2024 17:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by Dutch on Jan 3, 2024 17:51:04 GMT -5
Senator Coleman is looking for sponsors for a bill to make drones legal for recovery
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Post by fleroo on Jan 4, 2024 9:18:12 GMT -5
I never understood why it took so long to legally recover a deer, by dog on leash.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jan 4, 2024 10:03:32 GMT -5
My neighbor bought a drone a few years ago. Thought that it would be fun for he and his grandson. It went up. It took off. They never saw it again.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 4, 2024 11:53:24 GMT -5
Friend of mine use them to scout large cornfields for bear damage to look over properties in the winter for terrain features and funnels.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 4, 2024 16:18:52 GMT -5
I never understood why it took so long to legally recover a deer, by dog on leash. 22 years. Held up by a Senator out in the western part of the state, and the PGC, I think, didn't like it. PGC didn't like mentored doe tag transfer, and they did a work around.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 4, 2024 16:20:05 GMT -5
My neighbor bought a drone a few years ago. Thought that it would be fun for he and his grandson. It went up. It took off. They never saw it again. That was nearly my first experience. They are not easy to fly, at least IMO. Of course, I haven't spent the time needed
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Post by dougl on Jan 4, 2024 17:18:40 GMT -5
Friend of mine use them to scout large cornfields for bear damage to look over properties in the winter for terrain features and funnels. Is your friend in a wheel chair or just lazy?That's just flat out cheesy and defies what fair chase is all about.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jan 4, 2024 17:39:15 GMT -5
My neighbor bought a drone a few years ago. Thought that it would be fun for he and his grandson. It went up. It took off. They never saw it again. That was nearly my first experience. They are not easy to fly, at least IMO. Of course, I haven't spent the time needed You’re too old, and I included myself in that statement. My 13 year old grandson, at the time, had his doing flips and all sorts of crazy stuff in 15 minutes the first time he launched it.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 4, 2024 19:16:18 GMT -5
Friend of mine use them to scout large cornfields for bear damage to look over properties in the winter for terrain features and funnels. Is your friend in a wheel chair or just lazy?That's just flat out cheesy and defies what fair chase is all about. Neither. He spends more time the woods scouting on foot than you, me and probably everybody else that is active on this board combined. He just chooses to use the tools that are available to him.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 5, 2024 9:40:34 GMT -5
Per drones going off into the wild blue yonder... The first thing you SHOULD do is download the "App" it gives you in the instructions, that allows you to set up the drone with the "Home Base" coordinates. So after it is out of sight, it knows how to get back to you, and you view on your "smartypants" phone. You can't fly them by visual sight. You'll never get them back. Especially at night. LOL
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Post by dougl on Jan 5, 2024 9:44:40 GMT -5
Is your friend in a wheel chair or just lazy?That's just flat out cheesy and defies what fair chase is all about. Neither. He spends more time the woods scouting on foot than you, me and probably everybody else that is active on this board combined. He just chooses to use the tools that are available to him. Yeah,tools that defy fair chase.There's a reason why you can't hunt the same day you fly in to certain states and provinces.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 5, 2024 18:37:15 GMT -5
Yeah,tools that defy fair chase.There's a reason why you can't hunt the same day you fly in to certain states and provinces. So flying a drone in February over a hunting area looking at terrain features and funnels violates fair chase? I didn't say he flys and hunts that day.
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Post by dougl on Jan 8, 2024 9:11:00 GMT -5
No,but using it to survey corn fields is violating fair chase in my view.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jan 8, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
Drone use for deer recovery needs to a license required deal. Licensing equals rules, accoutabily, and a ouch if misused.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 8, 2024 15:32:12 GMT -5
No,but using it to survey corn fields is violating fair chase in my view. Kinda like putting a trail camera on a trail going into the corn, I guess............
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jan 8, 2024 15:54:19 GMT -5
A stationary trail camera the same as a drone searching? I don't think so.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 8, 2024 17:01:13 GMT -5
Well, a trail-cam that just pinged you that a Booner, a Slammer, a Hammer, A Toad, just exited the corn on the trail leading away from where you're standing. 100 yards on the other side of the same cornfield. But, if you scurry up to the top of that grassy knoll......
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 9, 2024 7:29:20 GMT -5
A stationary trail camera the same as a drone searching? I don't think so. I don't see any difference as long as our the hunter doesn't use the information to immediately take advantge of it. Most guys that use drones to check cornefields are looking for rolls or areas of damage within the corn to see if bears are actively using it. A walk in will tell you the same thing and so will a trail camera on trails leading into it.
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Post by fleroo on Jan 9, 2024 9:04:41 GMT -5
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jan 9, 2024 13:08:26 GMT -5
A stationary trail camera the same as a drone searching? I don't think so. I don't see any difference as long as our the hunter doesn't use the information to immediately take advantge of it. Most guys that use drones to check cornefields are looking for rolls or areas of damage within the corn to see if bears are actively using it. A walk in will tell you the same thing and so will a trail camera on trails leading into it. If bear are using a trail to get to and from a corn field you won't need a trail camera to know. Many don't walk a trail leading to one. A drone can be flown by a hunter quickly to see if they are in it. If not, move to the next one. Not fair chase in my opinion. A farmer using one and telling hunters about crop damage he has discovered, and directing them to that corn field is a different scenario.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 9, 2024 18:28:47 GMT -5
A drone can be flown by a hunter quickly to see if they are in it. If not, move to the next one. Not fair chase in my opinion. . The above was not the scenario I was talking about. The above is a violation of our current electronic laws.
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Post by Dutch on Feb 22, 2024 23:24:20 GMT -5
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 26, 2024 7:38:35 GMT -5
The PGC sure has opened up a can of worms with this case. They are now on record as saying it is illegal to track a deer outside of legal shooting hours. While that is true under the language in the current laws and regs, it was not enforced that way when hunters were tracking to recover a hit animal. The PGC has always had a problem with selective enforcement and this case and its appeal will most likely open pandoras box. Add to that, LED flashlights are also illegal for hunters to use while hunting or tracking but that was not enforced either. The PGC said in this case that the drone was casting a light.
Here is the langauge as it relaates to tracking, which is considered hunting in this state.
"§ 102. Definitions.
Subject to additional definitions contained in subsequent provisions of this title which are applicable to specific provisions of this title, the following words and phrases when used in this title shall have the meanings given to them in this section unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:
"Hunt" or "hunting." Any act or furtherance of the taking or killing of any game or wildlife, or any part or product thereof, and includes, but is not limited to, chasing, tracking, calling, pursuing, lying in wait, trapping, shooting at, including shooting at a game or wildlife facsimile, or wounding with any weapon or implement, or using any personal property, including dogs, or the property of others, of any nature, in furtherance of any of these purposes, or aiding, abetting or conspiring with another person in that purpose."
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