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Post by bushmaster on Apr 9, 2023 13:09:24 GMT -5
The Shooting is not going to stop if they Ban AR's. The whack jobs will just pick up a pump,lever, or high capacity pistols. The rifle isn't the problem, and if we give them an inch they will take them all. JMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 16:28:34 GMT -5
They're going to take them all anyway. And that's because you guys won't let them try anything to see if it will work. The young people aren't breaking towards the GOP
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 9, 2023 17:29:36 GMT -5
They're going to ban guns. Probably most guns. The Boomers and Gen X are keeping them at bay now but the Boomers aren't long for this World. The Millenials and Gen Z have a totally different view on firearms and 2A because they grew up constantly seeing the bad side of guns. When polled the younger generations overwhelmingly support gun control. Yes they will be banned. It won't stop with AR-15's and Glocks either. It's just a question of when now. I have been saying for a long time, the United States will follow the European model as the older generations die off. The writing is on the wall. America is changing and that change is inevitable. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 9, 2023 17:33:34 GMT -5
They're going to take them all anyway. And that's because you guys won't let them try anything to see if it will work. The young people aren't breaking towards the GOP I am unwilling to "try anything" for the sake of trying something. I support effective change. With that said, as I previously discussed, there are changes that could make a difference without sacrificing rights. |
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Post by rusty on Apr 10, 2023 7:50:16 GMT -5
The Shooting is not going to stop if they Ban AR's. The whack jobs will just pick up a pump,lever, or high capacity pistols. The rifle isn't the problem, and if we give them an inch they will take them all. JMHO. The shooting will not stop, anyone who believes they will is delusional. But the number dead can be reduced, just as the number of dead could be increased by making full-autos or high explosive as easy to get as ars and the like are right now. |
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Post by muttleysback on Apr 10, 2023 9:51:00 GMT -5
Why don't we focus on why these problems occur and how to solve them? I know. It is not easy to fix societal problems that lead to violence. We always look for the low-hanging fruit.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 10, 2023 10:57:52 GMT -5
More innocents died today in Louisville as everyone points fingers from their corners. I haven't yet seen the guns or guns involved yet.
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Post by muttleysback on Apr 10, 2023 12:01:38 GMT -5
What about the criminal involved?
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 10, 2023 12:09:38 GMT -5
What about the criminal involved? Yep. How do we reduce the likelihood of others like him/her doing the same thing. Lots of difficult discussions but nobody wants to have them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 13:19:05 GMT -5
We are having them. All over the Country right now. The young people are forcing the issue. Enough is finally enough. Well except for the G.uns O.ver P.eople contingent
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 10, 2023 13:48:10 GMT -5
We are having them. All over the Country right now. The young people are forcing the issue. Enough is finally enough. Well except for the G.uns O.ver P.eople contingent The young folks are talking but it takes the old folks talking to actually make change. That discussion is difficult and most are unwilling to have it. |
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 10, 2023 15:05:30 GMT -5
Semi Auto rifles have been around for a very long time. When I was in school these shootings didn't happen. The problem is Societal, it's not the rifle. I would tell ya what I really think the cause is, but it would make for arguing and such. Wouldn't want this thread locked.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 15:25:32 GMT -5
There wasn't a fascination with military style semi autos when I was in school. Video games brought us that
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Post by rs on Apr 10, 2023 16:01:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 17:21:58 GMT -5
AR-15 was used in Louisville KY shooting. Surprise, surprise
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Post by Loggy on Apr 10, 2023 17:26:32 GMT -5
AR-15 was used in Louisville KY shooting. Surprise, surprise No 870 with buck?? Whats up??  |
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Post by rusty on Apr 10, 2023 17:30:15 GMT -5
Yes, it's one part of the problem. I have had 100s of conversations with educators and parents since the mid 80s about how common it has become to control the behavior of children by prescribing drugs to them. Most everyone worried about what happens when the behaviors and impulses are no longer controlled by the chemicals they once were. I would be very surprised to find that there is no connection to most of the killers. |
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Post by rusty on Apr 10, 2023 17:41:03 GMT -5
Things like the following may not have the positive effect at voting booths republicans have always counted on as these shootings continue.
Less than two weeks before Monday’s mass shooting at a bank in downtown Louisville, the state of Kentucky banned local law enforcement agencies from enforcing federal firearm laws.
The bill makes Kentucky a so-called “Second Amendment sanctuary” and prohibits local, state, or campus authorities from enforcing federal bans or regulations related to firearms, ammunition, or firearm accessories. It applies to any laws or regulations enacted since January 1, 2021.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 10, 2023 18:13:49 GMT -5
You want to stop this, then start using capital punishment on all those convicted of murder without a reasonable doubt.
Preferably I would like to see them hanged from their neck until dead in the village square. Or we can use the biblical way and stone them to death. We could actually use the American Indians way of putting to death an enemy, which is what a murder is, to society. But that is to cruel for any crime in todays society, especially the way it was actually done, and lethal injection or electrocution is to humane, as far as I'm conserned.
This crap of arresting someone who used a gun in a crime, any crime, and then is released the next day, like is done in, a lot democrat run cities, needs to stop NOW.
The gun is not the problem, any type of gun, it's the person behind it, using it, why is this so friggin hard for an intelligent human to understand.
As far as coming for my guns, any of my guns, when my BIL asked me the same question a year ago. I responded with die. You will only get it when you, as Charlton Heston said. "You can have it, when you pry it from my cold dead hand."
Im, done with this thread, if I commented any more, I'm afraid my remarks would just go down hill. I would ending up saying something, though probably true, which should be better off unsaid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 19:41:27 GMT -5
Many of these shooters are planning to die at the scene. What deterrent would the death penalty be?
As far as the cold dead hands thing, I won't die or go to prison over guns. I will for my Christian faith. But not for guns
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Post by rusty on Apr 10, 2023 20:00:17 GMT -5
The death penalty is what most of these killers want. They just want to go out in a blaze of glory and fame.
There's some wacko sitting around somewhere trying to think of a way to be more famous than the rest of the mass murderers. What type of weapon do you suppose he/she will try to get for killing the most people before being taken out himself?
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Post by Loggy on Apr 11, 2023 6:53:17 GMT -5
When the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 was passed, enacting a 10-year ban prohibiting the manufacture, transfer, or possession of “semiautomatic assault weapons,” the law contained a grandfather clause to permit the possession or transfer of weapons and ammo that were legal before the law went into effect, so there were no confiscation or mandatory buyback programs. It basically froze expansion of ownership & prohibited manufacture of AR's.
My understanding is that the UK had a mandatory buyback program plus ban included ALL semis, all rifles, all handguns?? Basically in the UK you're allowed a shotgun(non-semi) but need a shotgun ownership license. Can't imagine implementation of something like this here as it would involve virtually millions or even billions of weapons vs a few hundred thousand as the UK bought back. Something is certainly going to be done here but my guess a restoration of the 1994 Ban would be more likely just to quiet things down. Way I see it though....post 1994 ban sunsetting things are too far down the road(ownershipwise) for it to do much good anymore.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 11, 2023 7:35:03 GMT -5
We have mental illness issues, right?
Well, don't other countries, where mass killings DON'T occur, have the same?
What's the difference? The availability of the gun.
Am I calling for a ban? No. But, it really is about availability.
How we cut availability is above my intelligence and pay grade.
I like having an AR. I don't NEED an AR.
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Post by bake545 on Apr 11, 2023 10:09:28 GMT -5
We have mental illness issues, right? Well, don't other countries, where mass killings DON'T occur, have the same? I was reading an article this morning that said we do have more mental illness in US as does Canada than most other advanced countries. We also have more mass shootings in both countries. This clearly goes far deeper than guns although the easy availability is certainly contributing to the issue. Guns are the low hanging fruit right now but will not solve the problem. But we don't solve problems in this country anymore so don't look for anything to change. |
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Post by Loggy on Apr 11, 2023 11:09:16 GMT -5
We have mental illness issues, right? Well, don't other countries, where mass killings DON'T occur, have the same? What's the difference? The availability of the gun. Am I calling for a ban? No. But, it really is about availability. How we cut availability is above my intelligence and pay grade. I like having an AR. I don't NEED an AR. Dutch....that pretty much nails it!!! |
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