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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 4, 2023 12:09:50 GMT -5
I saw a local gun shop has some nice ARs, $539. I don't NEED one, but then I could sell my old Colt and unlock some equity. 🙂 I don't need another one either. But then it might be a good idea to buy a couple, plus a couple thousand rounds of ammo.Then store it away to give to the grandsons who might, hopefully not, need it in years to come. |
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Post by bake545 on Apr 4, 2023 13:05:05 GMT -5
With the mind set of some on here, we have already lost. If you're not willing to fight for the second amendment then maybe Twitter would be more toward your liking. You're either for freedom or you're against it, the choice is yours, can't have it both ways. I do not support bans on certain firearms and accessories. What I do now support is enhanced checks on those that want to purchase them among other things which I already laid out. Our government can't do checks properly now, what makes you think enhanced checks will be any better? |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 4, 2023 13:10:51 GMT -5
Possibly, and so would better security measures at all school. Which is also one of the factors I mentioned that needs to be beefed up. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 4, 2023 13:12:18 GMT -5
Our government can't do checks properly now, what makes you think enhanced checks will be any better? Which is why a real effort needs to take place to lessen the slaughter of innocents. Enough is enough. It is time for actions, not prayers......... |
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Post by rusty on Apr 4, 2023 13:18:24 GMT -5
"Some on here aren't Republicans and don't see the 2nd amendment through the lens of the GOP" 😭 That's what I'm hearing as I read this thread. I am a long-time republican and I think those who don't see the need for tighter control of some weapons are as far off the mark as those against all gun ownership. |
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 4, 2023 17:09:54 GMT -5
Guns are the easy out. Guns aren't the problem.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 4, 2023 19:32:01 GMT -5
"Some on here aren't Republicans and don't see the 2nd amendment through the lens of the GOP" 😭 That's what I'm hearing as I read this thread. I am a long-time republican and I think those who don't see the need for tighter control of some weapons are as far off the mark as those against all gun ownership. I’ve been a registered Republican since 1968, but I’m far from being led by them. I actually lean more toward the Libertarian and Constitutional parties today. Somewhat a mixture of all three. When it comes to gun control, I lean more toward the Libertarian view, which allows you to possess any type of firearm you want, as long as you keep and use it ,if you want, on your own property. |
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Post by bake545 on Apr 4, 2023 20:38:40 GMT -5
Our government can't do checks properly now, what makes you think enhanced checks will be any better? Which is why a real effort needs to take place to lessen the slaughter of innocents. Enough is enough. It is time for actions, not prayers......... Good luck with that. They can barely preform basic functions at this point. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 5, 2023 6:50:23 GMT -5
Good luck with that. They can barely preform basic functions at this point. Real change needs real leaders. I wonder if the American people will ever wake up and make it happen through their votes. It seems we would rather keep electing career politicians that are 70 plus years old. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 8:51:43 GMT -5
I agree with that. We need younger politicians
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 5, 2023 11:02:54 GMT -5
Term limits are the only way guys, and good luck with that.
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Post by rusty on Apr 7, 2023 11:50:39 GMT -5
Guns are the easy out. Guns aren't the problem. There is no ONE THING that is the problem. There is no gun owner that can HONESTLY claim Semiautos are not the chosen weapon for these mass killings because they are designed to do just that much better than any weapon that is as easily obtained by private citizens. If fully automatic rifle were as easy to get, they would probably be the weapon of choice for the killers. The gun IS ONE PART of the problem. Gun owners probably know that better than most. If someone shoots up an auditorium full of people with your children inside, do you think they would have a better chance of escaping with the person using a semi and large capacity mags, or some other weapon that can be purchased as easily? |
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Post by dennyf on Apr 7, 2023 17:14:28 GMT -5
I seldom discuss/argue about semis, Second Amendment, or related issues, with people operating solely from their emotions, guidance from the anti-gun left and a total lack of actual knowledge and facts. Exercise in futility.
They claim the "moral high ground" and refuse to have a rational discussion. Look at the hatred on the faces of those packing the TN Capitol, screaming and chanting their mantras? Why try to dissuade someone that's already over the edge and out of control?
Beyond my personal opinions, let me offer this to those demanding another "assault weapons" ban. Lest we forget, the previous one in the 90s, did absolutely nothing to prevent crime.
You want maximum ability to senselessly kill dozens of people at close range, don't need an AR. A basic 12ga pump shotgun loaded with 10 rounds of 00 buck, can dispense 90 pellets in less than the time it takes to fire a mere 20 rounds from an AR. The shotgun doesn't scare as many pansies as that AR, but is much cheaper and far more lethal, under the right circumstances.
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Post by Loggy on Apr 7, 2023 17:58:06 GMT -5
A 12 ga pump just happens to recoil a tad bit more than an AR's 222/223 rapidly spitting 55 grain bullets at 3,000 fps. An AR's minimal recoil enhances killing by easily staying on target w/large capacity magazine rapidly firing high velocity explosive projectiles=superior mass killing firepower in minimal amount of time. It's obvious(least to me) why the AR's are the weapon of choice in mostly all these mass shootings. Not even going to compare their superior lethal longer range killing advatages vs a shotgun throwing buck.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 7, 2023 18:06:20 GMT -5
Vast majority of mass shooting are up close and personal, I'll take the 12 gage pump loaded with double ought buck for personal defense over the AR any day.
I own both, one of them sits in my bedroom closet ready to go.
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Post by Loggy on Apr 7, 2023 18:17:38 GMT -5
Vast majority of mass shooting are up close and personal, I'll take the 12 gage pump loaded with double ought buck for personal defense over the AR any day. I own both, one of them sits in my bedroom closet ready to go. Neither one would be my personal defense choice. I own an A-5(3 pluged/5 unpluged) Browning 12 sem-auto 12 Buckshot Special(deadly buckshot barrel)...... but if ever need up close quick personal defense..... would go for my 45acp hands down. My CZ97B is ready to go if ever needed. |
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Post by rusty on Apr 7, 2023 20:49:09 GMT -5
. The shotgun doesn't scare as many pansies as that AR, but is much cheaper and far more lethal, under the right circumstances. "Pansies" that's a funny word.  Almost as funny as a gun owner claiming shotgun is as effective for quick, high-body count mass murders as a semi auto rifle and high-capacity magazines in most circumstances. The weapon IS part of the problem and should be part of any reasonable discussion on the matter. |
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Post by Loggy on Apr 8, 2023 5:03:18 GMT -5
And just 6 years ago we had the deadliest mass shooting in US history in Las Vegas. 60 Americans killed and OVER 500 injured with mass shooting launched by one shooter from the 32nd floor of a hotel window. Victims were several hundred yards away......yep shotgun with buckshot.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 8, 2023 6:35:13 GMT -5
On the topic of shotguns. Some of you may take the shotgun but you are not mass murderers that shoot up schools and innocents. By in large, those folks purposely choose other weapons which are usually semiautomatic, low recoiling, compact and capable of high capacity.
Its time for enhanced screens for certain firearms and accessories, among other changes which I already laid out. I don't support a ban.
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Post by Loggy on Apr 8, 2023 7:01:56 GMT -5
On the topic of shotguns. Some of you may take the shotgun but you are not mass murderers that shoot up schools and innocents. By in large, those folks purposely choose other weapons which are usually semiautomatic, low recoiling, compact and capable of high capacity. Its time for enhanced screens for certain firearms and accessories, among other changes which I already laid out. I don't support a ban. Screening may filter out some but many of these mass murderors would pass any "enhanced screening" with flying colors at the point of sale. As a human...we all know that their mental state can readily change from being totally normal to a maniac murderer. Change can be caused by drugs or other influencing factors that even the best mental doctors do not understand. All I hope for is that this ever spreading deadly cancer doesn't result in gun control such as the UK has. Then we all are screwed. |
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Post by rusty on Apr 8, 2023 7:45:57 GMT -5
When enough voters demand stricter gun control measures and politicians see that favoring banning some firearms is the way to winning an election, we will be lucky if they stop at what are referred to as assault rifles and high-capacity mags.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 8, 2023 9:22:00 GMT -5
When enough voters demand stricter gun control measures and politicians see that favoring banning some firearms is the way to winning an election, we will be lucky if they stop at what are referred to as assault rifles and high-capacity mags. Exactly, Give an inch they will end up taking a mile. First it's AR-15 type, next all semi type including shotguns, then pump action, bolts action, double barrels, and finally single shot center and rim fire. Back to 1776 and the only thing we're allowed to own is muzzleloaders, if we're luckey. I do think it's not going to happen in the near future. As of right now it's dead on arrival. The New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals struck down a rule to ban bump stock on or about January 6, 2023 and the US Supreme Court has declined to hear it. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 8, 2023 10:46:39 GMT -5
Screening may filter out some but many of these mass murderors would pass any "enhanced screening" with flying colors at the point of sale. As a human...we all know that their mental state can readily change from being totally normal to a maniac murderer. Change can be caused by drugs or other influencing factors that even the best mental doctors do not understand. Would some slip by? Absolutely. As of late, plenty of red flags existed with many of these shooters that acquired their firearms legally with the current system. The current system is not good enough. A better system needs developed for certain firearms and accessories. And as I said before, that should be done in conjunction with other changes. I hope that never happens as it is un-American and a violation of our rights as Americans............ Thats the easy way out which affects law abiding citizens with no intent on carnage. |
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Post by Loggy on Apr 8, 2023 11:38:27 GMT -5
Exactly my feelings too Ridge. I love my guns and hunting sport as much as anyone. I just hate seeing something needlessly spoil what we freely enjoy. Especially bothers me as when the ban was first lifted I just knew this would eventually come back to bite us in the arse. Sure hope I'm totally wrong for all of our sakes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 8:37:29 GMT -5
They're going to ban guns. Probably most guns. The Boomers and Gen X are keeping them at bay now but the Boomers aren't long for this World. The Millenials and Gen Z have a totally different view on firearms and 2A because they grew up constantly seeing the bad side of guns. When polled the younger generations overwhelmingly support gun control.
Yes they will be banned. It won't stop with AR-15's and Glocks either. It's just a question of when now.
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