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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2023 5:35:02 GMT -5
Next year fishing licenses are going up to $26.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 2, 2023 7:14:16 GMT -5
Got to keep meeting those pension and bennie obligations...............
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Post by Loggy on Mar 2, 2023 8:06:06 GMT -5
The 2023(current year) increase was the first time Pennsylvania fishing license prices have increased in 18 years......since 2005. Sounds like catch-up? Most State pension & other ee benefits(teachers, state ees etc) have been severely decreased/modified. Truthfully, if I were in the job market today the State would be the last place I would look. The healthy private employment market is offering all kinds of monetary/benefit incentives to get employees.... assuming you have some talent.
As far as the PA F&BC.....with license sales decreasing 8-10% I see a gloomy future ahead for it in maintaining programs in effort attract new anglers. Their current venues ain't working.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 2, 2023 8:12:38 GMT -5
Kinda like the post office. Massive liabilities to meet due to unsustainable business practices. Postal usage keeps declining so they keep raising rates to help slow the bleeding but the reality is the bleeding cannot be stopped yet the brain still requires the same amount of oxygen to stay alive.
The public sector mismanagement of user dollars and taxpayer funds is criminal.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 2, 2023 8:33:19 GMT -5
Kinda like the post office. Massive liabilities to meet due to unsustainable business practices. Postal usage keeps declining so they keep raising rates to help slow the bleeding but the reality is the bleeding cannot be stopped yet the brain still requires the same amount of oxygen to stay alive. The public sector mismanagement of user dollars and taxpayer funds is criminal. Until the public sector realizes "you get what you pay for"...things will only get worse. You need to pay for & hire top talent when managing the trillions of public funds the gov is entrusted to manage. There's zero incentive anymore for america's top talented work force to work for the government. The way the gov pay scales are currently set.....there's minimal incentive. At one time many agencies had "Blue Ribbon" hiring programs to attract top talent but that's long gone. That program was in play when I went to work for Treasury back in 1978. They paid premiums to attract experienced CPA's & Attorneys. Now we have a mediocre type philosophy driving the train. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 2, 2023 12:43:50 GMT -5
First raise in 18 years.
Anyone track the cost of services in the healthcare field over the last 18 years?
Gene, how much did they bill for your type job 18 years ago vs today?
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Post by rusty on Mar 2, 2023 13:17:23 GMT -5
And nobody is forced to pay for a fishing license. Like everything else, if the price is higher than one believes the the value of the goods, don't buy it.
What is the cost of a movie and a bucket of popcorn?
For me the license is still a bargain.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 2, 2023 14:22:05 GMT -5
And nobody is forced to pay for a fishing license. Like everything else, if the price is higher than one believes the the value of the goods, don't buy it. What is the cost of a movie and a bucket of  ? For me the license is still a bargain. Yep....you'll never hear me complain about the cost on ANY sporting license...hunting, fishing or boating. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 2, 2023 15:32:19 GMT -5
Anyone track the cost of services in the healthcare field over the last 18 years? Its out of control. About 28% less. Remember billing is not what is reimbursed though. We get back anywhere from 12-38% of what is billed to insurance. For many with no insurance hospital systems end up getting nothing but can't deny care. |
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Post by Loggy on Mar 3, 2023 7:36:08 GMT -5
I bought a PA Senior Lifetime PA Fishing License 7 years ago so increase has no impact. Also, bought a Senior 10 year Trout so got 3 more years left till renewal. One of the very few benefits of being an ole fart!! lol
Comparable wise.....in MD a Resident fishing License is 20.50(PA 25.47) and MD Trout Permit 5.00(PA 12.47) which makes a PA Resident License w/Trout 12.44 or 48% higher than PA. MD licensing(and program managaement) is run by their MD DNR who also handles hunting licensing...I'm sure that has nothing to due to cheaper licenses?? Umm...just a thought. Another Thread topic mebbie?
I also buy a $50.00 MD Consolidated Boat Chesapeake Bay Sport fishing License for my boat which has reciprocity in VA and covers fishing privileges for all aboard. Plus it gives me(license holder only) an onshore Saltwater License for the surf. Great deal & can't remember last time when price went up.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 3, 2023 8:22:17 GMT -5
Our fishing and hunting licenses are bargains for sure. With that said I am at a point where I will not support any tax or fee increase that contributes a cent to the unsustainable business practices of local, state, federal govt entities............
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Post by timberdoodle on Mar 3, 2023 9:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by fleroo on Mar 3, 2023 17:17:03 GMT -5
My thoughts on the Trout Stamp, Loggy.... do away with it. Also raise general license fees to an appropriate level, commensurate the with cost of doing business. That way, EVERYBODY that fishes, is chipping in with raising fish and hatchery infrastructure, etc... that infrastructure in hatcheries, pertains to ALL hatchery raised fish.... catfish, walleye, muskie.. whatever.
I love to fish for Trout. Much better hobby for me than hunting. There's no C&R in hunting. I barely keep Trout. I release every single one, save for a meager 5 or so, when the wife has a hankerin' for "Trout Patties". But, I fish mainly the Yough river. The Yough is also quite a Smallmouth fishery in the lower reaches. Add Musky and Walleye/Saugeye to that list. So, who's to say that I can't fish the Yough, WITHOUT a Trout Stamp, since I don't keep them... even where they are stocked ? I don't believe the regs. state that you only need to have a Trout Stamp to KEEP Trout ? If it does, I'll backpedal here. But per Trout, I believe there are a fair amount of people getting away with not buying a Trout Stamp.
Now, I know the problem with the legislature not wanting to cast a positive vote for general license hikes, for political retribution purposes. But the "Stamp" thing should go away. Allot the proper $$$ in the general license to cover ANY hatchery fish rearing.
Erie Permit shouldn't fall under that same umbrella, as you are actually fishing the lake, or tribs, in ERIE.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 3, 2023 20:01:41 GMT -5
I agree with that Fleroo as you said the costs of hatcheries benefits ALL anglers. Plus...most who buy a license fish for trout anyways. Would also likely save some admin costs of running the various trout permits. I'd have no issue in a one fee license structure.
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Post by rusty on Mar 5, 2023 12:49:08 GMT -5
You need the Stamp to fish any water that is stocked withTrout, whether you keep any or not. I release all my Trout.
I might try keeping a few from some steams if fleroo gives more details bout the fish patties his wife is fond of.
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Post by timberdoodle on Mar 6, 2023 9:05:25 GMT -5
5. When is a Trout Permit required?
A current Pennsylvania Trout Permit is required to fish for trout in Pennsylvania waters. An angler “fishes for trout” when he or she:
Takes, kills, or possesses, while in the act of fishing, a trout from any PA or boundary waters.
Fishes in waters under special trout regulations.
Fishes in any Class A Wild Trout Waters or Wilderness Trout Streams or their tributaries.
Fishes in streams and rivers designated as Stocked Trout Waters on March 1 through May 31.
Collector quality stamps were printed from 1991 through 2006. Starting in 2007, the Commission switched to an electronic Point-of-Sale licensing system (POS). POS licenses indicate if a permit was purchased, this eliminated the need for printed stamps. Some past year stamps are available at our secure e-commerce site, HuntFishPA.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 6, 2023 10:28:55 GMT -5
My thought is that reg. is completely challengeable, and probably wouldn't be enforced in my main fishery, the Yough. I'm sure most of you are unfamiliar with the Yough, but it is cold water fishery in the very upper section, per a bottom release discharge. Trout thrive there all year, and the state stocks this upper portion in the spring. The lower section dumps into the Mon River in Boston, PA. It is a warm water fishery, and is not stocked with Trout by the state. It is however, stocked by various sporting clubs in some different areas. The Trout Fishing in the lower section, is done in early spring as the water warms rather quickly. In late April, and especially the month of May, the Smallies and Walleye really turn on in this section. It's one of the best fisheries in the state for these species. It's also an excellent Muskie fishery. They're targeted by anglers in shallow-running speed boats, that can get to their honey holes in no time at all. I can guarantee you, no DJ is going to find one of these anglers guilty of fishing without a Trout Permit, if they are cited by an overzealous PFBC warden. No way, no how.  |
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Post by timberdoodle on Mar 6, 2023 11:19:30 GMT -5
any violation can be challenged in court.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 7, 2023 6:43:16 GMT -5
If you look at the stocking info on the PFBC website, it shows in detail what areas are approved trout waters. Fishing outside of those, you wouldn't need a stamp. Correct?
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Post by cspot on Mar 7, 2023 17:26:53 GMT -5
If you look at the stocking info on the PFBC website, it shows in detail what areas are approved trout waters. Fishing outside of those, you wouldn't need a stamp. Correct? From the book. A current Pennsylvania trout permit is required to fish for trout in Pennsylvania waters. Permits are printed on the license. An angler “fishes for trout” when he or she: • Takes, kills, or possesses, while in the act of fishing, a trout from any Pennsylvania or boundary waters. • Fishes in waters under special trout regulations. • Fishes in any Class A Wild Trout Waters or Wilderness Trout Streams or their tributaries. • Fishes in streams and rivers designated as stocked trout waters on February 20 through May 31. The only thing I see on the Yough is this under "Stocked trout water open to year around fishing" AYETTE/SOMERSET: Youghiogheny River (from the lake downstream to the confluence of the Casselman River) |
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Post by cspot on Mar 7, 2023 17:28:08 GMT -5
I will say that the PFBC regs aren't the easiest to follow. Really have to watch where and what you are fishing for.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 8, 2023 8:36:12 GMT -5
Another "Hot Mess"!! lol
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 8, 2023 8:46:46 GMT -5
For sure. In the regulation it says "fishes in streams and rivers designation as stocked trout waters". It does not say fishes in the sections of streams and rivers that are designated for stocking. |
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Post by timberdoodle on Mar 8, 2023 9:57:19 GMT -5
§ 63.3. Fishing in stocked trout waters. It is unlawful to fish in stocked trout waters regulated under § 61.1 (relating to Commonwealth inland waters) from 12:01 a.m. on the third Monday in February to 8 a.m. on the opening day of the regular season for trout. As used in this subpart, the term ‘‘stocked trout waters’’ means waters that are stocked with adult trout by the Commission. A listing of stocked trout waters is published in the Commission’s ‘‘Summary of Fishing Regulations and Laws,’’ which is available from the Commission at Post Office Box 67000, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17106-7000. The Executive Director or a designee may, from time to time, supplement or modify the list of stocked trout waters, and additions or deletions will be published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin. From Title 58 Part II This is exactly what the regulation says  |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 8, 2023 12:57:10 GMT -5
§ 63.3. Fishing in stocked trout waters. It is unlawful to fish in stocked trout waters regulated under § 61.1 (relating to Commonwealth inland waters) from 12:01 a.m. on the third Monday in February to 8 a.m. on the opening day of the regular season for trout. As used in this subpart, the term ‘‘stocked trout waters’’ means waters that are stocked with adult trout by the Commission. A listing of stocked trout waters is published in the Commission’s ‘‘Summary of Fishing Regulations and Laws,’’ which is available from the Commission at Post Office Box 67000, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17106-7000. The Executive Director or a designee may, from time to time, supplement or modify the list of stocked trout waters, and additions or deletions will be published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin. From Title 58 Part II This is exactly what the regulation says I was referring to the regulations in the digest that cspot posted. In what you posted, "stocked trout waters" is said to mean waters that are stocked with adult trout then it punts back to the digest which is the regulations that cspot posted. Still no clarity on if it is referring to the stream itself or only the stocked sections. |
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