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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 13:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by bushmaster on Mar 1, 2015 18:32:47 GMT -5
Just signed. Thanks for the link
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 1, 2015 19:09:48 GMT -5
The NRA needs to put our representatives on notice. Their NRA rating should be at stake. Support gun rights and pro hunting initiatives or lose a letter rating. No doubt that a representative will take notice when their NRA rating goes from a "A" to a "C". There are plenty of other potential candidates that are more than willing to support pro gun and pro hunting initiatives that can take their place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 6:47:26 GMT -5
I support Sunday Hunting for all game species in PA. I'm a NRA member and the NRA is a great protector of the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. I was against the inclusion of crossbows in PA's archery season and I didn't like it when the NRA got involved in the crossbow debate in PA and felt the organization should have stayed out of it. Now the NRA wants to insert itself in PA's Sunday hunting, I still feel the NRA should stay out of this debate because Sunday Hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 12:17:27 GMT -5
THE NRA IS A PRO HUNTING ORGANIZATION. It's original foundation WAS a hunting org.
In case you haven't noticed, with your life membership, or any membership, you can get one of their TWO magazines.
One is more HUNTING related than the other?
Sheesh...... some don't even know what the org is about.
Also, within that Second Amendment, and in the HELLER case, hunting was mentioned in relation to the Second Amendment. Many don't realize it, but hunting IS part of the Second.
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Post by buzz on Mar 19, 2015 12:47:21 GMT -5
I am a life member of the NRA, and I to wish they would stay out of the SH issue, but it still support the NRA and so should everyone who owns a gun.
some people claim they don't care for some of the stuff the NRA does, so they don't support them. Well this is a prime example, I wish they would stay out of the SH issue, but I support them regardless, as the good they do in defending our right to bear arms, far out weigh the minor things I disagree with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 13:14:58 GMT -5
Dutch, I'm sitting here with my Pocket Constitution that I received from the Heritage Foundation Severalyears ago and I'm looking at the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, nowhere is hunting mentioned. I'm just being consistent When it comes to the NRA and hunting in PA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 13:37:47 GMT -5
No, sir, but according to the first amendment, freedom to practice the religion of your choice without interference from the government is. When laws established Sunday as a religious holiday and prohibited certain things from being done on Sunday that interfered with the free practice of the religion of some people's choice since Sunday is not the Sabbath according to their religion. Therefore prohibiting any legal activity on Sunday should not be acceptable, any more than prohibiting any legal activity on Saturday (The true Sabbath) is. Why then is hunting not a legal activity on Sunday, but gambling in a state licensed casino is, as is drinking in a bar, shopping in a mall, eating in a restaurant, working at any number of jobs, fishing, and various and sundry other activities not nearly as wholesome and family oriented as hunting. The conclusiohn I must reach is that you consider hunting to be immoral, and I must strongly disagree. By the way, I do not interfere, nor do I wish to, with your right to attend or not to attend the church of your choice if you wish to do so any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 13:56:37 GMT -5
No, sir, but according to the first amendment, freedom to practice the religion of your choice without interference from the government is. When laws established Sunday as a religious holiday and prohibited certain things from being done on Sunday that interfered with the free practice of the religion of some people's choice since Sunday is not the Sabbath according to their religion. Therefore prohibiting any legal activity on Sunday should not be acceptable, any more than prohibiting any legal activity on Saturday (The true Sabbath) is. Why then is hunting not a legal activity on Sunday, but gambling in a state licensed casino is, as is drinking in a bar, shopping in a mall, eating in a restaurant, working at any number of jobs, fishing, and various and sundry other activities not nearly as wholesome and family oriented as hunting. The conclusiohn I must reach is that you consider hunting to be immoral, and I must strongly disagree. By the way, I do not interfere, nor do I wish to, with your right to attend or not to attend the church of your choice if you wish to do so any day of the week. I agree 100% with everything you wrote, except the one anout me considering hunting to be immoral. I strongly suggest that you scroll back to my very first post on this thread and read it so that you can then understand the contex of my discussion with Dutch. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 15:04:39 GMT -5
Dutch, I'm sitting here with my Pocket Constitution that I received from the Heritage Foundation Severalyears ago and I'm looking at the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, nowhere is hunting mentioned. I'm just being consistent When it comes to the NRA and hunting in PA. In the Heller decision, the HISTORY of the Second Amendment was really flushed out. It was the first time since 1938 that the SUPREME Court dissected the 2nd, and even in 1938, they didn't do a very good job delving into the history and the minds of those that created the Second. IIRC, the HISTORY of the Second goes WAY back, I think even the 14th Century..... So, what you might see in your little pocket Constitution, does not explain the MEANING of the Second. Heller was about 150 pages of indepth writings about the Second. Be GLAD it was done, and to OUR advantage, otherwise the gun grabbers would be grabbing even more. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 15:10:17 GMT -5
I am a life member of the NRA, and I to wish they would stay out of the SH issue, but it still support the NRA and so should everyone who owns a gun. some people claim they don't care for some of the stuff the NRA does, so they don't support them. Well this is a prime example, I wish they would stay out of the SH issue, but I support them regardless, as the good they do in defending our right to bear arms, far out weigh the minor things I disagree with. I have no idea why people are so afraid of the SH issue. If it's a moral question for folks, then stop shopping and drinking on Sunday and dishonoring God. Fact is, SH works in 40 other states. It has even worked here on a limited basis. It works in Michigan and Wisconsin, two states with similar hunter numbers and traditions. |
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Post by buzz on Mar 19, 2015 16:53:05 GMT -5
I have said before, I would not have a issue implementing small game on Sundays. I do not support deer hunting on Sundays.
Reason is simple, deer hunting brings out the worst in hunters, including things trespass.
I believe "most" people look at the SH issue as what is the gain or loss to them and their family, and I have no issue with that. For those of us who live out n the country and own land that people hunt on, I prefer to know that one day of the week, there are not hunters.....be it with permission.......or with out permission.......walking in my woods behind my house.
I was self employed, and now retired, so I can hunt as many days as I want. With that said, I do understand how SH could benefit people who do not have as much time as I do to hunt.
I also know that when I was self employed, for many years I worked through a good share of the night, and for about 15 hours on Sundays, so that I could hunt during the day. I did what I needed to do, made sacrifice's, and worked my ass off to be able to hunt. I chose to make hunting my priority through out bear and deer season, even though that meant only sleeping a few hours a day.
I will also point out that JJ103 and most of our hunting buddys were in the same boat as me, we love to hunt, have hunted together for over 30 years, and none of us were gripping because we had to work half the night to be able to hunt.
So when I hear all the arguments about how hard everyone has it, and can't find time to hunt...kids in sports....etc......it means nothing to me. If hunting is your priority, you will find a way, and no one said it would be easy.
I get a little fed up with todays society wanting to hit the easy button all the time.
I am done with my little rant .......... banghead
I am not looking to debate SH, as I have already heard the arguments twisted 10,000 times over. I just wanted to let you know my views on SH. As I said, I do understand how it could benefit some, and if it comes to pass some day, I will not have a issue with it. Personally, I don't see a need for SH deer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 18:38:58 GMT -5
Gotta couple of things to say to you Buzz; you don't have to allow people to hunt your land on Sundays. Outlaws already illegally hunt deer on Sundays, and probably on your land, without your permission, and without your knowledge. The laws ar only for us honest people. You're entitled to your opinion snd I respect that.
Of course, with your total distrust of deer hunters i'd swear you were on on the BOC. That was a joke!!!
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 18:50:29 GMT -5
I have said before, I would not have a issue implementing small game on Sundays. I do not support deer hunting on Sundays.
Reason is simple, deer hunting brings out the worst in hunters, including things trespass.
I believe "most" people look at the SH issue as what is the gain or loss to them and their family, and I have no issue with that. For those of us who live out n the country and own land that people hunt on, I prefer to know that one day of the week, there are not hunters.....be it with permission.......or with out permission.......walking in my woods behind my house.
I was self employed, and now retired, so I can hunt as many days as I want. With that said, I do understand how SH could benefit people who do not have as much time as I do to hunt.
I also know that when I was self employed, for many years I worked through a good share of the night, and for about 15 hours on Sundays, so that I could hunt during the day. I did what I needed to do, made sacrifice's, and worked my ass off to be able to hunt. I chose to make hunting my priority through out bear and deer season, even though that meant only sleeping a few hours a day.
I will also point out that JJ103 and most of our hunting buddys were in the same boat as me, we love to hunt, have hunted together for over 30 years, and none of us were gripping because we had to work half the night to be able to hunt.
So when I hear all the arguments about how hard everyone has it, and can't find time to hunt...kids in sports....etc......it means nothing to me. If hunting is your priority, you will find a way, and no one said it would be easy.
I get a little fed up with todays society wanting to hit the easy button all the time.
I am done with my little rant .......... banghead
I am not looking to debate SH, as I have already heard the arguments twisted 10,000 times over. I just wanted to let you know my views on SH. As I said, I do understand how it could benefit some, and if it comes to pass some day, I will not have a issue with it. Personally, I don't see a need for SH deer.
Just my $.02...........not trying to stirthepot Be honest Buzz, have you ever, or any of your group ever, hunted on a neighbors property without their permission? Be honest.... |
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Post by bawanajim on Mar 19, 2015 18:50:45 GMT -5
Gotta couple of things to say to you Buzz; you don't have to allow people to hunt your land on Sundays. Outlaws already illegally hunt deer on Sundays, and probably on your land, without your permission, and without your knowledge. The laws ar only for us honest people. You're entitled to your opinion snd I respect that. Of course, with your total distrust of deer hunters i'd swear you were on on the BOC. That was a joke!!! I would support a third week of rifle deer season before I would support Sunday deer season. As was stated the slobs already trespass and the Game commission endorses it. |
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Post by buzz on Mar 19, 2015 18:51:07 GMT -5
Lol on the BOC comment. I have seen way to many times what deer hunting can do to "some " people. Actually had 1 trespasser wanting to fist fight, which I was willing to do as he needed a ass whooping, but JJ and others showed up and diffused the situation by offering to call the cops......lmao.
I have also heard the statements you made about trespassers and outlaws, just not interested in debating that for another 10,000 pages. We each have a opinion, just different ones, but we can both respect that.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 18:53:14 GMT -5
Buzz, you WORKED on the Lord's day?
I've only ever worked on ONE Sunday in my life, and never mow my grass on Sunday, to help preserve the quiet of the Lord's day.
Of course, I've shopped on Sunday, but that's ok...... LOL
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Post by bawanajim on Mar 19, 2015 18:55:15 GMT -5
I have said before, I would not have a issue implementing small game on Sundays. I do not support deer hunting on Sundays.
Reason is simple, deer hunting brings out the worst in hunters, including things trespass.
I believe "most" people look at the SH issue as what is the gain or loss to them and their family, and I have no issue with that. For those of us who live out n the country and own land that people hunt on, I prefer to know that one day of the week, there are not hunters.....be it with permission.......or with out permission.......walking in my woods behind my house.
I was self employed, and now retired, so I can hunt as many days as I want. With that said, I do understand how SH could benefit people who do not have as much time as I do to hunt.
I also know that when I was self employed, for many years I worked through a good share of the night, and for about 15 hours on Sundays, so that I could hunt during the day. I did what I needed to do, made sacrifice's, and worked my ass off to be able to hunt. I chose to make hunting my priority through out bear and deer season, even though that meant only sleeping a few hours a day.
I will also point out that JJ103 and most of our hunting buddys were in the same boat as me, we love to hunt, have hunted together for over 30 years, and none of us were gripping because we had to work half the night to be able to hunt.
So when I hear all the arguments about how hard everyone has it, and can't find time to hunt...kids in sports....etc......it means nothing to me. If hunting is your priority, you will find a way, and no one said it would be easy.
I get a little fed up with todays society wanting to hit the easy button all the time.
I am done with my little rant .......... banghead
I am not looking to debate SH, as I have already heard the arguments twisted 10,000 times over. I just wanted to let you know my views on SH. As I said, I do understand how it could benefit some, and if it comes to pass some day, I will not have a issue with it. Personally, I don't see a need for SH deer.
Just my $.02...........not trying to stirthepot Be honest Buzz, have you ever, or any of your group ever, hunted on a neighbors property without their permission? Be honest.... I can answer this with a resounding no, and I never gave a thought to entering posted property with out asking first, never, some folks just don't get that! Its some ones land! |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 19:02:06 GMT -5
JIm, this was aimed at Buzz... not yourself.
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 19, 2015 19:03:38 GMT -5
Dutch, I'm sitting here with my Pocket Constitution that I received from the Heritage Foundation Severalyears ago and I'm looking at the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, nowhere is hunting mentioned. I'm just being consistent When it comes to the NRA and hunting in PA. The US Supreme Court wrote in the Heller ruling that the Second Amendment DID and DOES include hunting. You must look at each amendment in its historical context as well as its intent. Freedom of speech did not include television media, facebook, etc------- yet its still protected. Why is that? |
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Post by buzz on Mar 19, 2015 19:06:41 GMT -5
I have said before, I would not have a issue implementing small game on Sundays. I do not support deer hunting on Sundays.
Reason is simple, deer hunting brings out the worst in hunters, including things trespass.
I believe "most" people look at the SH issue as what is the gain or loss to them and their family, and I have no issue with that. For those of us who live out n the country and own land that people hunt on, I prefer to know that one day of the week, there are not hunters.....be it with permission.......or with out permission.......walking in my woods behind my house.
I was self employed, and now retired, so I can hunt as many days as I want. With that said, I do understand how SH could benefit people who do not have as much time as I do to hunt.
I also know that when I was self employed, for many years I worked through a good share of the night, and for about 15 hours on Sundays, so that I could hunt during the day. I did what I needed to do, made sacrifice's, and worked my ass off to be able to hunt. I chose to make hunting my priority through out bear and deer season, even though that meant only sleeping a few hours a day.
I will also point out that JJ103 and most of our hunting buddys were in the same boat as me, we love to hunt, have hunted together for over 30 years, and none of us were gripping because we had to work half the night to be able to hunt.
So when I hear all the arguments about how hard everyone has it, and can't find time to hunt...kids in sports....etc......it means nothing to me. If hunting is your priority, you will find a way, and no one said it would be easy.
I get a little fed up with todays society wanting to hit the easy button all the time.
I am done with my little rant .......... banghead
I am not looking to debate SH, as I have already heard the arguments twisted 10,000 times over. I just wanted to let you know my views on SH. As I said, I do understand how it could benefit some, and if it comes to pass some day, I will not have a issue with it. Personally, I don't see a need for SH deer.
Just my $.02...........not trying to stirthepot Be honest Buzz, have you ever, or any of your group ever, hunted on a neighbors property without their permission? Be honest.... Well Dutch, with 40 years of hunting, and hunting back in a day when people and hunters weren't as rude or bold, I am sure I hunted on land with out permission. But that land was land everyone knew was open hunting, and landowners didn't care. If your asking me if I go on lands that are posted no hunting, without permission, the answer is no. Have I ever "cut the corner" of posted land in my younger day......I probably did. I don't proclaim to have been an angle my whole life, but I certainly didn't make a habit of it. I have also caught lots of trespassers, and never had a guy arrested, just a warning, and tell them move along, and next time will be different. I try to be reasonable and understanding.......as long as they are polite !! I just don't feel like dealing with it on a Sunday. I am not trying to stand on a soapbox and run for office, just pointing out how I feel about SH.
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Post by buzz on Mar 19, 2015 19:11:02 GMT -5
Buzz, you WORKED on the Lord's day? I've only ever worked on ONE Sunday in my life, and never mow my grass on Sunday, to help preserve the quiet of the Lord's day. Of course, I've shopped on Sunday, but that's ok...... LOL I was never afraid of work the day didn't matter.......................but I was afraid of shopping..................... |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 19:20:56 GMT -5
Buzz, I was raised to try to respect the Sabbath. Not that I have, but still try to keep the commercial aspect out of it.
I know others can't or don't, and that's ok.
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Post by buzz on Mar 19, 2015 19:30:50 GMT -5
Buzz, I was raised to try to respect the Sabbath. Not that I have, but still try to keep the commercial aspect out of it. I know others can't or don't, and that's ok. Isn't hunting in Pa considered a commercial business ? |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 19, 2015 19:35:17 GMT -5
No, it isn't. Not in my book.
Sorta funny tho. A friend asked an Amishman if he could trap, including Sunday. The Amishman asked him if he made money from trapping. My friend said that once you added all the costs in, and the low price of fur, as well as time skinning etc, it was a money losing hobby. The Amishman gave him permission to trap on Sunday.
Actually, a STRICT reading of our trapping laws says you can only RESET a trap on Sunday and that possession of a trap, in the field, on Sunday, constitutes hunting. Hunting on Sunday is illegal, so, setting a new trap on a Sunday is illegal.
BUT, we start one trapping season when? ON A SUNDAY. lol
The PGC doesn't even follow the SH laws.
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