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Post by redarrow on Aug 23, 2014 6:50:36 GMT -5
Dougell, I feel the same way.
There must be some limits on what hunters support. It seems many efforts are made to make it easier for hunters to kill game.
We allowed archery season to go from recurves and long bows, to compounds, and now to crossbows. I don't know how much easier we can make things, but I believe we have gone too far already.
It does not make somebody an anti just because they voice their opinion against certain methods of killing game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 8:34:01 GMT -5
Just curious. Do you agree that someone who does not hunt with a bow and feels it is cruel to stick arrows into those poor deer should be free to state his or her opinion? If they hunt with a rifle and hate bow hunting it does not make them an anti, right? Should hunters who feel that trapping is a cruel blood sport state those opinions for everyone to read too? Do you see anything negative about either of the above positions?
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Post by redarrow on Aug 23, 2014 10:06:54 GMT -5
I know a few who hate archery hunting. It makes them anti-archery hunting. I believe they are either misinformed or just wrong. Thankfully, more people feel as I do and we are given and archery season.
I am anti-crossbow in archery season. Unfortunately, for me, there are enough who believe differently.
I would not support the use of large body grip traps on land in this state, but I am certainly glad that I am allowed to trap furbearers.
I think it is good for hunters and trappers to feel free to say exactly how they feel on sites like this. Sometimes it's hard not to get a bit angry. But sometimes we have to get over ourselves and accept the fact that others my not feel as we do about things.
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Post by galthatfishes on Aug 24, 2014 21:06:01 GMT -5
I was staunchly opposed to crossbows in archery not all that long ago. My feelings have changed. Not one person's hunt has been adversely affected by my using one. I would have qualified for a disability permit, but no longer have to jump through that hoop. Crossbows have also allowed several family members to return to hunting, have allowed mentored youth and junior hunters to get out in archery season; and have introduced a new woman to hunting, who USED to b afraid of guns and bows. That fear is gone now and she shoots quite a bit. I see positives and no negatives. Yes, more deer are being taken in archery- but lots of rifle folks (like me) have gone back to archery or have started archery. A plus side of more deer being taken earlier is 6 pounds of food per deer times (x) number of deer means more food for the over-wintering deer. P.S. I'm happy to admit, I was wrong.  |
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Post by redarrow on Aug 25, 2014 5:38:47 GMT -5
I still staunchly oppose them(except for legitimate physical reasons).
One of the main reasons, for me, is that I believe it attracted people who were unwilling to accept the challenge of becoming proficient with a weapon and method of hunting that they viewed as difficult.
As far as attracting the youth into the sport; I believe there are many things that are worse for a kid than having to wait for something good.(and having NO MINIMUM age borders on ridiculous in my view)Parents and mentors have always been free to take young people hunting with them. My father took my brothers and me with him squirrel hunting and I did the same with my three boys. I think allowing the taking of game by very young teaches that hunting is only about killing game-there is so much more to it than that.
As I said in a previous post, sportsman/hunters will always have points of disagreements. Stating one's opposition to certain methods or changes in the rules does not make him a anti-hunter.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 25, 2014 6:03:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't support baiting even though it's legal in some states.I wouldn't support being able to use a vehicle to locate game like it's legal in some states. The question is do you support it where it is already legal as a legitimate means of hunting? |
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 25, 2014 6:09:02 GMT -5
As I said in a previous post, sportsman/hunters will always have points of disagreements. Stating one's opposition to certain methods or changes in the rules does not make him a anti-hunter. It is all how one presents their case when opposing initiatives. Often times, it will mirror the talking points of the antis which is more harmful to our sport than the antis themselves. When hunters attack each other, using talking points of the antis, that brings a certain amount of truth to what the antis preach about our sport. |
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Post by GlennD on Aug 25, 2014 6:52:21 GMT -5
It's the old Ford vs Chevy debate... with a slightly different twist.  I tend to look at it this way as an analogy, Motorized transportation is a way of life. We need to move people from one place to another. Lots of choices to get that mission accomplished: Ride the bus, take the train, Take a plane, Take a boat, Maybe even walk, Ride the bike, Drive a Smart Car (reserved for people with a death wish) Drive a big jacked up 4WD diesel truck, Drive a 200 mph Ferrari, Car pool.. etc.. Point is, we need to move people around. Means of conveyance is not such a big deal except there are those driving Chevy Volts who think anyone driving an SUV is an idiot. Same with deer. We need to manage the resource. Matters not how we do it, just manage the resource. There is no reason to look down your nose at someone killing a deer with a crossbow when you go out in rifle season with your Swarovski scoped .300 Magnum, or choose to only hunt archery with a 75 year old Indian Archery Stake bow with home made cedar arrows fletched with feathers from a bird you killed last spring.. Just do it. |
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Post by dougell on Aug 25, 2014 7:54:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't support baiting even though it's legal in some states.I wouldn't support being able to use a vehicle to locate game like it's legal in some states. The question is do you support it where it is already legal as a legitimate means of hunting? I'm more less on the fence about most issues including baiting.I don't like it but even if it were proposed in Pa,I wouldn't lobby against it.The older I get,the less I care about what other people do or how they do it.I don't like a lot of things today but I just ignore most of them. |
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