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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 5:47:42 GMT -5
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Post by dougell on Aug 13, 2014 7:37:26 GMT -5
When I see this blood sport pigeon shooting, I reject it," the newspaper quoted him.
That's actually not a new quote from him.It's just being brought up again.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 13, 2014 8:20:47 GMT -5
"blood sport" the exact same words the antis use to describe hunting..........
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Post by dougell on Aug 13, 2014 9:36:15 GMT -5
Yep,while I'm not an advocate of pigeon shoots,that was a poor choice of words.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 13, 2014 13:32:35 GMT -5
There should be no link between hunting and shooting living targets for sport. I believe the pigeon shoots make hunters look bad to many people who have no negative opinion toward hunting. BTW, does anyone eat the pigeons that are killed at these shoots? I would think that it would be just like eating a dove.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 15:17:50 GMT -5
Not too terribly long ago, pigeons were raised for food. I can remember some of the people on the street on which I grew up killing and eating pigeons they kept in cages. I believe the first pigeons to come to North America were imported as food animals from Europe. The barn pigeon we have now is not closely related to the extinct passenger pigeon.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 13, 2014 15:52:41 GMT -5
The one woman working for him in his office is a card carrying HSUS member.
She is influencing him.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 13, 2014 15:54:02 GMT -5
There should be no link between hunting and shooting living targets for sport. I believe the pigeon shoots make hunters look bad to many people who have no negative opinion toward hunting. BTW, does anyone eat the pigeons that are killed at these shoots? I would think that it would be just like eating a dove. I have eaten pigeons, they are fine table fare. The farmer we buy chukars from also raises large pigeons for eating. $4 a piece, I think.
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Post by bushmaster on Aug 13, 2014 19:29:28 GMT -5
Not a fan of pigeon shoots, and they have nothing to do with hunting. Not a fan of stocked pheasants either, but they're almost like hunting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 20:42:22 GMT -5
There should be no link between hunting and shooting living targets for sport. I believe the pigeon shoots make hunters look bad to many people who have no negative opinion toward hunting. BTW, does anyone eat the pigeons that are killed at these shoots? I would think that it would be just like eating a dove. I have eaten pigeons, they are fine table fare. The farmer we buy chukars from also raises large pigeons for eating. $4 a piece, I think. blind pigeons? smileys-whistling-823718
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Post by grouse28 on Aug 17, 2014 10:26:13 GMT -5
Whether I agree with pigeon shoots or not, I would not support an action to ban them. I do not want any of these anti's gaining any ground. This is part of their divide and conquer policy. We must stand together as a united front or you or your grandkids will lose their hunting rights. Maine is in big fight to ban bear hunting with dogs and bait and to end trapping. California just dealt with an issue proposed to ban all dog hunting, (you bird and rabbit hunters take note). Stick together, they are banking on this division to ban all hunting.
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Post by johns on Aug 17, 2014 17:52:04 GMT -5
Someone who gets it!
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Post by Dutch on Aug 17, 2014 18:00:03 GMT -5
So, why is Sunday hunting bad, but supporting killing pigeons is good?
Grouse28 gets things more than most......
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Post by Dutch on Aug 17, 2014 18:03:05 GMT -5
BTW, I think supporting pigeon shoots makes hunting look bad, in the end. It's not hunting, it's killing, plain and simple.
At least a hunter that is out on a Sunday is actually hunting, and taking his kids along creates a family that hunts together, and future generations of hunters.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 18, 2014 7:23:48 GMT -5
I agree 100% with Dutch's view on pigeon shoots making hunters look bad. They have nothing to do with hunting.
I don't agree with he Sunday hunting part of his post. My wife and sons and I used to spend at least part of nearly every Sunday in the woods looking for mushrooms, taking the dog for a walk, checking out how everything is on our property, just exploring. We still get out there more Sundays than not. The boys and I love to hunt, but we all think it's nice that there is one day a week when we can go out as a family without worrying about bothering hunters. And these trips together helps keep makes them even more interested in hunting. The autumn months are the best time to be out there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 7:58:31 GMT -5
I hope you understand that this is one reason why so many of us do not support a users fee for state game lands. It is not in hunters best interests to have people who like to take walks, ride atvs or mountain bikes, or going for a horseback ride, determining how game lands should be used, Sunday or any other day. It also makes little sense to have hunting on private land on Sunday not legal so you can take walks and trespass on my land without bothering anyone hunting there. Perhaps you can see why I feel the way I do about this?
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Post by dougell on Aug 18, 2014 8:20:02 GMT -5
I don't oppose pigeon shoots and would never lobby against them.However,since so many non-hunters find them distasteful,I think it's best to just distance ourselves from it.On the other hand,it's not a good idea to vocally oppose them like Alloway did.Last week I heard bits and pieces on the radio on how he was supporting some type of bill to beep people with cc permits to leave guns in a car unattended unless they're locked up.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 18, 2014 8:29:05 GMT -5
I would not trespass on your land Sunday or any other day.
I was making a point that one does not have to forgo enjoying the outdoors with his family just because it is not legal to hunt that day.
Sunday hunting is not a big deal for me, though I would post my land if it becomes legal. And I would not support a change.
I am happy the way things are now-being able to hunt 6 of seven days a week for about six months-year round if you count groundhogs.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 18, 2014 8:31:14 GMT -5
Maybe we shouldn't turn this post into one about SH....sorry
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Post by dougell on Aug 18, 2014 8:54:23 GMT -5
I would not trespass on your land Sunday or any other day. I was making a point that one does not have to forgo enjoying the outdoors with his family just because it is not legal to hunt that day. Sunday hunting is not a big deal for me, though I would post my land if it becomes legal. And I would not support a change. I am happy the way things are now-being able to hunt 6 of seven days a week for about six months-year round if you count groundhogs. Just given you another perspective.I was always able to live with no sunday hunting because I used that day for in-season scouting,which in my experience is extremely important.Now that my kids are hunting,they have something going on almost every saturday through archery season.Rifle season is no problem but archery and the beginning of small game is tough to get them out.I would never hunt two days on a weekend but for my kid's sake,it would be nice to have the choice
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 18, 2014 9:20:16 GMT -5
Redarrow,
Hunters are not entitled to a day free from non hunters in the woods and non hunters should not be entitled to a day free from hunters.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 18, 2014 11:22:06 GMT -5
So few do the pigeon shoot thing, but 950,000 hunters COULD do eht Sunday hunting thing, if they wanted.
So, why do we get upset that they want to ban a pigeon shoots, but are perfectly happy not hunting on a Sunday when, in Doug's case, it makes SO much sense in order to bring the next generation on.
Pigeon shoots don't do much for bringing the next generation on.
Anyway, I could do without these shoots. Many hunters do want us to defend them, and I understand why, but, if we had flying feral cat shoots, would you defend them? Same thing, isn't it?
Ok, I need to create a catapult to put the flying cats in. LOL
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Post by redarrow on Aug 18, 2014 16:15:49 GMT -5
But Dutch, there are many hunters that feel as I do about SH. I would guess more than half of my hunting friends do not want a rule change. I don't think many(if any)would think we, as hunters, should actively defend live pigeon shoots.
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Post by dennyf on Aug 18, 2014 16:33:59 GMT -5
Here's the bottom line: HSUS/PETA and all of that sort, have been working to ban live bird shoots in PA for over a dozen years.
They chose that activity because they consider it to be their best chance to ban something involving the shooting of live animals in PA. They knew it would divide hunters and that is precisely why they picked it: THE easiest target for a potential win.
HSUS has as their ultimate goal, the banning of all recreational hunting and trapping. Not just in PA, everywhere in the world.
Knowing that is HSUS' goal, why any hunter would support a ban on live bird shoots here or anywhere else, makes no sense.
Has nothing to do with supporting live bird shoots and everything to do with giving HSUS their initial victory in PA that they've long been seeking.
Pigeons today, whatever it is that you enjoy hunting, whenever they can pull that off, too. It is their purpose for being.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 17:21:31 GMT -5
If you want to defend hunting against such as Wayne Pacelle, arguing about how immoral pigeon shoots are is not the way to do it. You might look up Safari Club International's Hunter Defense Fund. It is worthy of a donation. www.hunterdefensefund.orgAs to how I view pigeon shoots, I am far more angry with those who feel it is fine to shoot a cat, not knowing whether or not it is someone's pet. Pigeons are pests. So are rats. HSUS deplores the killing of rats, whether for sport, target practice, or pest control because all live has the same right to live as human beings do. Don't dismiss them as fringe looney tunes. While they may actually fit any definition of a fringe looney, they believe in animal rights as some believe in Allah or God by any other name, and are extremely well-funded. HSUS has a treasury that contains over 100 Million dollars, and they are not shy about spending it to support causes they like, such as banning pigeon shoots. This is their foot in the door in PA. Species by species, until they stop all hunting, whether in California or Pennsylvania, or in Maine where they are trying to legislate a ban on most methods of bear hunting. I don't care whether you like pigeon shoots or think they are disgusting. Nobody is forcing you to go to one, send money to a club that holds one, or to write letters to support them. Just keep firmly in mind that every post you put in this or any forum is being watched by HSUS/PETA, and they quote you to their supporters from time to time. So basically, when you say you think pigeon shoots are disgusting you are supporting their point of view. Remember, HSUS/PETA also opposes Sunday Hunting. Heck, they oppose it every other day of the week too.
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