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Post by melody on Feb 25, 2014 14:29:05 GMT -5
Year Total Incidents * Total Mentor Incidents * Permits Sold 2009 -- 33 -------------------- 1 ------------- 28,542 2010 -- 35 -------------------- 2 ------------- 30,790 2011 -- 36 -------------------- 0 ------------- 33,514 2012 -- 34 -------------------- 0 ------------- 34,984 2013 -- * --------------------- * ------------- * Data in fields marked with a (*) are subject to change due to unsubmitted records. Data in RED has been updated to relect changes in license sale data. 2009 Mentor Incident - Father and daughter were hunting deer from a treestand. Firearm was dropped and discharged when it struck the ground. Bullet hit adult in the hand and leg, mentoree was struck in hand. Firearm was .30-30 lever action. Weather - rain. Mentoree age - 10 2010 Mentor Incident #1 - Grandfather and grandson were loading firearms in parking area. Mentoree was loading lever action firearm when it discharged. Adult was struck in the thigh by bullet fragments. Mentoree had no experience with firearm before incident. Weather - Clear. Mentoree age - 11 2010 Mentor Incident #2 - Father and son were preparing for squirrel hunt. Father had rifle tucked under arm and was speaking with another adult when lever action firearm discharged. Bullet struck mentoree in the foot. Weather - Clear Mentoree age - 11
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 25, 2014 16:51:02 GMT -5
Several violations in 2010 incident.
Overall, looks like 2009 and 2010 were freak accidents. More good news for the safety of the mentored youth program!
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Post by galthatfishes on Feb 25, 2014 20:50:56 GMT -5
That is a remarkable safety record. Wow. And some want to restrict it because?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 6:31:20 GMT -5
That is a remarkable safety record. Wow. And some want to restrict it because? People don't want any competition from an 8 year old.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 8:25:34 GMT -5
That is a remarkable safety record. Wow. And some want to restrict it because? Most people that are against the MY want a minimum age attached to the program. The "no age" requirement invites abuse to the program. Does anyone think that maybe lil Dexter is not the one squeezing the trigger???
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 26, 2014 8:46:43 GMT -5
Most people that are against the MY want a minimum age attached to the program. The "no age" requirement invites abuse to the program. Does anyone think that maybe lil Dexter is not the one squeezing the trigger??? Does anyone think adult hunters are not using two-way radios illegally? Point is, violations occur in every user group.
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Post by galthatfishes on Feb 26, 2014 9:37:07 GMT -5
That is a remarkable safety record. Wow. And some want to restrict it because? Most people that are against the MY want a minimum age attached to the program. The "no age" requirement invites abuse to the program. Does anyone think that maybe lil Dexter is not the one squeezing the trigger??? And my reply to that, Ft, is almost who cares if dad or mom helped. Its so few that might abuse it, really. But, that kid who mom or dad helped now says I am a hunter. They have and will keep the bug. Next year, they want to do it themselves and most likely do. And if a parent is the one pulling the trigger on a doe for Dexter, it was their tag to begin with. The buck harvest has not decreased since mentored youth hunting, has it? Its not like they are killing all of the deer. My comment is why are the objections always about deer? What about the squirrel or group gong the parent helps to pull the trigger on?
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Post by Dutch on Feb 26, 2014 9:56:45 GMT -5
I remember the days when a guywould buy his wife a license, then shoot two bucks and two does. how is this maybe different than what may be occurring now?
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 26, 2014 10:21:55 GMT -5
60 something year olds worrying about kids interested in our sport shooting their deer. It gets better every day.
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Post by dougell on Feb 26, 2014 10:46:31 GMT -5
2010 Mentor Incident #1 - Grandfather and grandson were loading firearms in parking area. Mentoree was loading lever action firearm when it discharged. Adult was struck in the thigh by bullet fragments. Mentoree had no experience with firearm before incident. Weather - Clear. Mentoree age - 11 Read more: pfsc.proboards.com/thread/3172/mentored-youth-incidents-report#ixzz2uRYOWb00Now I have a problem with this.The kid should have had months of firearms training before ever attempting to hunt.Prior to the mentor hunt,I'd see guys teaching their 12 year old how to load a gun and shoot the day before the season.That always drove me nuts.Those kids have no business shooting at any live animal.
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Post by dougell on Feb 26, 2014 11:02:32 GMT -5
That is a remarkable safety record. Wow. And some want to restrict it because? Most people that are against the MY want a minimum age attached to the program. The "no age" requirement invites abuse to the program. Does anyone think that maybe lil Dexter is not the one squeezing the trigger??? I disagree.My son has been hunting since he was 7.He's tagged out both years and I actually gave him very little assistance.This year,at 8 years old,I gave him no assistance other than carrying his rifle and helping him drag deer out.He saw every deer before I did,got ready by himself and shot when he was ready.Every deer he shot this year I didn't even know was there until I saw him aiming and getting ready to shoot.If I shot a deer that he felt he could haven taken,he'd never speak to me again lol.The mentored program is the best thing to come along in years.It's changed my life and my son's life.I had my buddy sit with my son as I made a one man push.He saw Jordan aiming and never did see the deer until Jordan shot.The deer dropped,got up and started stumbling away and he shot it a second time.My buddy never said a word to him.Young kids are capable but they need time in the woods and lots of range time before they're ready to hunt.I let Jordan hunt at 7 but he's been tagging along with me since he was able to walk.At this point,I don't have any desire to go without him.He doesn't slow me down,complain or get in the way.He's just as alert as I am and actually sees game that I don't see.I don't feel handicapped with tagging along in the least.I also know that when we do get a chance to shoot,there's probably going to be meat laying on the ground.M,y wife was mad when I bought him a .22.She was furious when I bought him a .243.Everytime we shot it,she acted like I was abusing him.After two years,she sees his enthusiasm,she sees his obsession and she can't get over the success he's had.Now hunting is cool.Go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 13:16:33 GMT -5
2010 Mentor Incident #1 - Grandfather and grandson were loading firearms in parking area. Mentoree was loading lever action firearm when it discharged. Adult was struck in the thigh by bullet fragments. Mentoree had no experience with firearm before incident. Weather - Clear. Mentoree age - 11 Read more: pfsc.proboards.com/thread/3172/mentored-youth-incidents-report#ixzz2uRYOWb00Now I have a problem with this.The kid should have had months of firearms training before ever attempting to hunt.Prior to the mentor hunt,I'd see guys teaching their 12 year old how to load a gun and shoot the day before the season.That always drove me nuts.Those kids have no business shooting at any live animal. Doug, you nailed it right there. Listen.... ALL MENTORS ARE NOT EQUAL. Each year there are thousand of posts about slob hunters, unethical hunters, poachers, trespassers, etc, etc. These same clowns are the mentors. And these clowns are more likely to "force" lil Dexter to get a MY permit. IMO, no child under 8yrs old should be handling a firearm hunting.. Personally I would prefer MY age at 10yr (w/HTE) but due realize that under the perfect scenario and reliable mentor a few may be ready earlier.
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Post by Dutch on Feb 26, 2014 13:26:16 GMT -5
These are the exact same mentors that take them from HTEclass and then teach them to be slobs and poachers. Doesn't matter if they are seven or twelve, ,they become their fathers, for the most part.
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Post by Dutch on Feb 26, 2014 13:28:10 GMT -5
2010 Mentor Incident #1 - Grandfather and grandson were loading firearms in parking area. Mentoree was loading lever action firearm when it discharged. Adult was struck in the thigh by bullet fragments. Mentoree had no experience with firearm before incident. Weather - Clear. Mentoree age - 11 Read more: pfsc.proboards.com/thread/3172/mentored-youth-incidents-report#ixzz2uRYOWb00Now I have a problem with this.The kid should have had months of firearms training before ever attempting to hunt.Prior to the mentor hunt,I'd see guys teaching their 12 year old how to load a gun and shoot the day before the season.That always drove me nuts.Those kids have no business shooting at any live animal. Doug, you nailed it right there. Listen.... ALL MENTORS ARE NOT EQUAL. Each year there are thousand of posts about slob hunters, unethical hunters, poachers, trespassers, etc, etc. These same clowns are the mentors. And these clowns are more likely to "force" lil Dexter to get a MY permit. IMO, no child under 8yrs old should be handling a firearm hunting.. Personally I would prefer MY age at 10yr (w/HTE) but due realize that under the perfect scenario and reliable mentor a few may be ready earlier. You are the sportsman you have become due to the "on the job" training you got from your dad, same as me. If your dad would have been an outlaw, chances are you would have become one yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 13:53:36 GMT -5
I remember the days when a guywould buy his wife a license, then shoot two bucks and two does. how is this maybe different than what may be occurring now? I don't think you have to remember I am sure I know a few who do this still today.
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Post by Dutch on Feb 26, 2014 14:00:27 GMT -5
I remember the days when a guywould buy his wife a license, then shoot two bucks and two does. how is this maybe different than what may be occurring now? I don't think you have to remember I am sure I know a few who do this still today. Yep, and that's ok, it seems, but taking a kid out under the age of ten is wrong?
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Post by dougell on Feb 26, 2014 14:05:06 GMT -5
I remember the days when a guywould buy his wife a license, then shoot two bucks and two does. how is this maybe different than what may be occurring now? I don't think you have to remember I am sure I know a few who do this still today. Actually,it would be way easier to do and get away with than using a kids mentor permit.
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Post by dougell on Feb 26, 2014 14:07:09 GMT -5
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Post by dougell on Feb 26, 2014 14:20:52 GMT -5
I remember watching my son when he was about two.He was the worst kid I'd ever been around.He was so bad,I actually thought there was something wrong with him.He got better by the time he was about 4.Still,when he turned 6,I bought him a bb gun and he could barely hold it.A year later he was drilling the vitals of a deer target every time at 80 yards with a .243.At 8,he operates a tractor and can handle a grizzly 450 as good as most adults.Each year makes a huge difference and the parent should be the one making that call.
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Post by bawanajim on Feb 26, 2014 14:57:24 GMT -5
Hey Doug, go to Wal=Mart and check out the parenting skills in action! My dog is better behaved,
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Post by Dutch on Feb 26, 2014 14:59:59 GMT -5
Doug, I think of all the Amish kids that can bundle all sorts of farm chores, when shown how, but our kids are to be babied.....
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Post by dougell on Feb 26, 2014 15:19:47 GMT -5
We live on a small horse farm and I make sure my kids grow up in that enviroment for a reason.We don't actually farm but there's a lot of work for the kids to do.I never met a farm kid that grew up to be an idiot and that's the lifestyle I want my kids to grow up in.I have this one dairy farmer insured.They struggle but never complain.They have a son in his early 20's that works on the gas rigs but comes home on every day off to help his dad,most likley without being paid.Two nights ago,he came in with his mom to add a new car on to her policy.The kid bought his mom a car.I wanted to hug him.I always have and always will have deep admiration for farmers.
I make my kids do quite a bit that most people would frown on but they're capable.When my daughter and I are off at Rodeos for the weekend,my son takes care of the horses that we leave at home all by himself.He knows how much and when to feed them and does everything that needs done.At night,he leads them into the barn by himself.My wife is scared to death of them so she'll stand outside the gate and watch him do it when my daughter and I aren't home.My daughter was babied when she was little but our son wasn't.There's 7 years between them and I swear he's more mature than she is.I'm proud of both of my kids but I have him so brainwashed,he's just like me lol.Once in a while they'll skimp on the barn chores.I'll go down and check after they get their showers.If they miss something I make them get dressed and go down and finish whatever they missed.They get up and don't complain about having to go back down.
The Amish got it right in many ways but they're farmers.I've always said,if everyone was forced to grow up on a farm or join the military,we'd live in a much better society.
My wife used to really get on me about the things I let my kids do,let alone what I made them do.Now she's almost as bad as I am about it.
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Post by bawanajim on Feb 26, 2014 15:27:49 GMT -5
Doug, Its all in the tractor!
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Post by georged on Mar 5, 2014 12:37:08 GMT -5
My kids and grandkids have hunted with me for years. I would much rather hunt with someone who was mentored even if they are FIVE than any adult who takes a class and heads to the woods without benefit of experience.
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Post by dougell on Mar 5, 2014 13:54:30 GMT -5
Last friday night I watched a news program about young kids using guns and gun maufatureres catering to kids.I wish I remember what program it was.It was your typical left wing viewpoint that gave example after example of how it turns these kids into mass murderes.Made me sick
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