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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 11:46:01 GMT -5
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 11:47:11 GMT -5
This is where our views differ. I look at it as country before party. IMO, our country will be worse off with another Biden term than another Trump term which is why I would support him as the nominee. With that said, I would have preferred another option to Trump. Do you believe trump played a huge part in the attack on Jan.6th, a small part, or no part? Do you believe his acts after losing the election were justified? |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 19, 2024 11:58:43 GMT -5
Do you believe trump played a huge part in the attack on Jan.6th, a small part, or no part? A small part in the attack which was holding the event then asking those in attendence to march on the capital. I do not believe he believed they would actually break into the capital building, riot and assault officers. No. I have been pretty clear about that. |
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Post by Loggy on Mar 19, 2024 12:06:08 GMT -5
The day that I vote for candidate who's out on bail after being indicted by our DOJ spanning over 90 criminal counts for breaking the laws of America is the day I immediately need a brain transplant. I spent a big part of my life working in law enforcement/compliance. Just the thought of someone like him in a position of leadership makes me cringe. IMO....the only place he needs to serve is in prison for his criminal activity and harm to America. F@#k politics.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 12:08:44 GMT -5
I believe the judge put in a stipulation to make it harder for Trump to post bond. The left can't run on their record so they now need a conviction to remain in power. Yep, yep
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Post by dougl on Mar 19, 2024 12:21:35 GMT -5
The day that I vote for candidate who's out on bail after being indicted by our DOJ spanning over 90 criminal counts for breaking the laws of America is the day I immediately need a brain transplant. I spent a big part of my life working in law enforcement/compliance. Just the thought of someone like him in a position of leadership makes me cringe. IMO....the only place he needs to serve is in prison for his criminal activity and harm to America. F@#k politics.Do you believe Biden broke any laws with the way he handled classified documents? |
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 12:27:36 GMT -5
Would anybody with hopes of getting their money back loan it to Donald Trump. He has a very long history of under paying and failing to pay his bills. One would think those who he gave the huge tax cuts to would be showing their appreciation for him doing so.
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 12:30:44 GMT -5
This is no shock, and it would have never been an issue if he never ran for president and stayed in his private life. Most of these indictments on Trump are from things that he was doing or did in the past. So why bring it up now? He claims "Success will be his revenge" if he is elected, but if it were me I would hold a grudge and go after everyone one of those POS. He may have never had these civil charges brought against him if he stayed in private life. Then again, he rubs people the wrong way and it could have occurred in any event. I've heard the arguments of "It's only against Trump"....but what you don't know is if civil charges were brought against others doing the same, and then settled out of court, you may never have heard of them. It may not be on public record. The laws he broke are to protect the banking industry in the State of NY. You may not like them, you may not agree with them, but that's why they are there. I posted a long dissertation on another forum explaining this but to no avail. I kept getting the "who does it harm?" response. Then I compared it to if a guy poaches 5 deer near Philadelphia, who does that harm? Has zero effect on me....yet the law is there. If you read the news about any recent bank failures and the effect it has on individuals and business because only the first $250K is FDIC insured....companies have went under and people have lost jobs because of bank failures. But...it's just one fraud.....only one.....what could it harm? Right? I'll mention one instance here. Why was trump indicted for mishandling classified documents and Biden wasn't? |
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Post by Loggy on Mar 19, 2024 12:33:27 GMT -5
The day that I vote for candidate who's out on bail after being indicted by our DOJ spanning over 90 criminal counts for breaking the laws of America is the day I immediately need a brain transplant. I spent a big part of my life working in law enforcement/compliance. Just the thought of someone like him in a position of leadership makes me cringe. IMO....the only place he needs to serve is in prison for his criminal activity and harm to America. F@#k politics.Do you believe Biden broke any laws with the way he handled classified documents? NO OBSTRUCTION & FULL COOPERATION was the HUGE difference in Bidens case. Without that....they would of hung Biden up by his balls same as Trump. |
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 12:52:52 GMT -5
NO OBSTRUCTION & FULL COOPERATION was the HUGE difference in Bidens case. Without that....they would of hung Biden up by his balls same as Trump. That's not what was said what was said is he broke the law but is too incompetent to be tried. Then the next breath he was great during his sotu address. That's called talking out both ends. |
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 13:09:46 GMT -5
NO OBSTRUCTION & FULL COOPERATION was the HUGE difference in Bidens case. Without that....they would of hung Biden up by his balls same as Trump. That's not what was said what was said is he broke the law but is too incompetent to be tried. Then the next breath he was great during his sotu address. That's called talking out both ends. Yep, that's what they said but it's funny how he is only incompetent when convenient. He wasn't authorized to have them as a Senator or Vice President but yet he did and nothing will be done about it. And if Trump wasn't running again this would have never been brought up. |
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 13:12:58 GMT -5
Also why isn't Pence in trouble? He lied and said he didn't have any. If he was still with Trump you bet your arse he would be indicted.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 13:39:36 GMT -5
That's not what was said what was said is he broke the law but is too incompetent to be tried. Then the next breath he was great during his sotu address. That's called talking out both ends. Yep, that's what they said but it's funny how he is only incompetent when convenient. He wasn't authorized to have them as a Senator or Vice President but yet he did and nothing will be done about it. And if Trump wasn't running again this would have never been brought up. Yep, and every case will be appealed and overturned. Its a conviction they are after and after the election they won't care anymore. Fanni lied under oath and got away with it. What does that say for anyone in jail right now? |
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 13:48:12 GMT -5
From the AP 02/09/24:
WHAT HAVE PROSECUTORS SAID IN TRUMP’S CASE?
Trump is accused of not only hoarding classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, but trying to hide them from investigators and working to block the government from clawing them back. Prosecutors have alleged that Trump showed off the documents to people who did not have security clearances to review them and enlisted others to help him hide records demanded by authorities.
Hur’s report says the differences between the two cases are “clear.” Unlike Biden — who cooperated with investigators, agreed to searches of his homes and sat for a voluntary interview — the allegations in Trump’s case present “serious aggravating facts,” Hur wrote.
“Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite,” the report said.
For instance, prosecutors say, after the Justice Department issued a subpoena for the records in May 2022, Trump asked his own lawyers if he could defy the request and said words to the effect of, “I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes.”
“Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?” one of his lawyers described him as saying, according to the indictment.
Prosecutors allege that during the July 2021 meeting at Bedminster, Trump also waved around the classified attack plan to his guests. “This is secret information,” he said, according to a recording prosecutors have cited, claiming that, “as president I could have declassified it” but hadn’t.
Prosecutors have also accused Trump of scheming with his valet, Walt Nauta, and a Mar-a-Lago property manager, Carlos De Oliveira, to try to conceal security camera footage from investigators after they issued a subpoena for it. Video from the property would ultimately play a significant role in the investigation because, prosecutors said, it captured Nauta moving boxes of documents in and out of a storage room — including a day before an FBI visit to the property. The boxes were moved at Trump’s direction, the indictment alleges.
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 14:21:49 GMT -5
But why does Biden get off without charges since he had no authorization to have them in the first place?
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 14:26:11 GMT -5
Trump is charged with retaining about 100 national defense documents dealing with secrets such as defense and weapons capabilities of U.S. and foreign countries, and U.S. nuclear programs, and then conspiring to hide them at his club Mar-a-Lago in Florida is part of the difference.
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 14:30:19 GMT -5
Yeah, but why isn't Biden being charged for having classified documents when he is not authorized to have them.
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 14:42:47 GMT -5
I suppose Biden, Pence, and likely other past presidents had/could have be(been) in possession of classified documents. Maybe they should all be investigated charged. Would any of them go to the extent trump did in covering up for his theft and his effort to mislead investigators? Would/have any of the others taken top secret documents relate to our nuclear secrets?
Some classified documents are as harmless as travel schedules. Do those stay classified after the traveling has taken place?
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 14:55:30 GMT -5
I suppose Biden, Pence, and likely other past presidents had/could have be(been) in possession of classified documents. Maybe they should all be investigated charged. Would any of them go to the extent trump did in covering up for his theft and his effort to mislead investigators? Would/have any of the others taken top secret documents relate to our nuclear secrets? Some classified documents are as harmless as travel schedules. Do those stay classified after the traveling has taken place? You suppose Biden & Pence had classified documents? Senators & Vice Presidents have no authority to have any classified documents. They are not allowed to leave the National Archives with them. Yeah They just had travel schedules and such. With no investigation that is the conclusion. I am 100% sure other politicians have done this. I don't know what secret documents they had, but if you say Trump is the only one that had top secret documents then it must be right. The thing is the Biden administration opened up the can of worms so now they should have to deal with it to. |
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 14:59:01 GMT -5
I'll mention one instance here. Why was trump indicted for mishandling classified documents and Biden wasn't? Really....you're tossing out this softball question? |
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:00:32 GMT -5
NO OBSTRUCTION & FULL COOPERATION was the HUGE difference in Bidens case. Without that....they would of hung Biden up by his balls same as Trump. That's not what was said what was said is he broke the law but is too incompetent to be tried. Then the next breath he was great during his sotu address. That's called talking out both ends. Is that the same thing as McConnell saying Trump was responsible for Jan 6th and then voting against impeaching him for it? IS it like that? Like that? |
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 15:03:09 GMT -5
That's not what was said what was said is he broke the law but is too incompetent to be tried. Then the next breath he was great during his sotu address. That's called talking out both ends. Is that the same thing as McConnell saying Trump was responsible for Jan 6th and then voting against impeaching him for it? IS it like that? Like that? Mitch McDonnell is almost as incoherent as Biden. I wouldn't take to much stock in what he says or does. |
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Post by jwk on Mar 19, 2024 15:03:57 GMT -5
I'll mention one instance here. Why was trump indicted for mishandling classified documents and Biden wasn't? Really....you're tossing out this softball question? I'm waiting for your expert opinion.  |
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:04:46 GMT -5
Yeah, but why isn't Biden being charged for having classified documents when he is not authorized to have them. Once again, Biden said "Oops!". Here are the documents. Trump said...."If my brain says they are no longer classified, then they are no longer classified. Then Trump instructed his staff to hide the documents. There's running a red light and pulling over for the cops. Then there's running a red light and while the pull over is attempted you go 120MPH through a residential area, then smash into a house. See the difference? Both cases running a red light. But different responses to it. |
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:06:04 GMT -5
Really....you're tossing out this softball question? I'm waiting for your expert opinion. I'll get right on that. |
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