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Post by davet on Mar 13, 2024 16:33:30 GMT -5
True, if you want rapid charging. My niece charges in the garage with 110 overnight. Not saying it's the best What if you have to park on the street or live in an apartment building? Plan to eat breakfast at Sheetz everyday while your car charges for an hour?  There is (maybe?) a market for these vehicles. They are not for everyone that's for sure. And they come with their own set of issues just like the one you just mentioned. Other issues raised are the weight of these. Especially when they get in an accident with another car. These weigh far more than a ICE vehicle so the "mass" on impact favors the EV and not the ICE vehicle. All I can say about EV's is I have a highly modified EZ-GO electric cart that I use for hunting. It's very quiet. In 2018 I converted the battery pack from flooded lead acid to Lithium. I used Nissan Leaf batteries that were taken from totaled Nissans. The weight of my cart batteries went from 8 batteries at 65-lbs each (total 520-lbs) to the Leaf pack that weighs 150-lbs. That's 370-lbs of weigh gone and it makes a big difference in the performance of the cart. Plus, it's much easier to haul in the bed of my truck. |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 13, 2024 17:56:13 GMT -5
I'm with Dave on this one. They will work for some, and not even come close for others. Depends on how far you need to drive everyday to work, do I need my vehicle to perform that work. Do I rent or do I own my home where I can have my own charging system. Maybe you are like me that was exempt from any road closers due to weather, from driving to or from work, not even the Governor closing all roads could stop me. Long haul, over the road truckers, that live and sleep in their rigs, in all types of weather, etc, etc. Yes it will work for some, but not all, so stop with the what's good for one is good for all.
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Post by muttleysback on Mar 13, 2024 18:53:03 GMT -5
Dutch, let me know how your new EV does on a trip out to western PA
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Post by Dutch on Mar 13, 2024 19:17:52 GMT -5
Dutch, let me know how your new EV does on a trip out to western PA If you read my first post.... |
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Post by moosemike on Mar 13, 2024 19:43:14 GMT -5
But you need a 240 line to charge these things ans since your stove and dryer are currently occupying those you'll need an electrician out True, if you want rapid charging. My niece charges in the garage with 110 overnight. Not saying it's the best Tesla's and Mustangs take three days to charge on 120v |
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Post by jwk on Mar 13, 2024 20:21:46 GMT -5
A simple Google search on electric vehicle companies and battery manufacturers that filed for bankruptcy should sum it all up.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 13, 2024 20:37:38 GMT -5
True, if you want rapid charging. My niece charges in the garage with 110 overnight. Not saying it's the best Tesla's and Mustangs take three days to charge on 120v Ok. There is a car here in town that runs an extension cord across the sidewalk to their car. As I said, things evolve. There will be improvements in the future. Right now I have no interest in an EV, for others, well, that's their call |
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Post by stroupy on Mar 15, 2024 15:13:26 GMT -5
In order to go all in the skilled labor will need a total revamp. Learning how to work on them and investing in the equipment needed to be able to work on them. Right now it's not ergonomic.
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Post by davet on Mar 15, 2024 19:54:12 GMT -5
Well….that was said when the F-150 went aluminum and when all vehicles went from points & plugs to chips & boards.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 16, 2024 5:43:06 GMT -5
I may just know a thing or 2 about the aluminum f150. Don't get me started on aluminum bosch brake manifolds. 😉
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Post by davet on Mar 16, 2024 6:36:16 GMT -5
What I meant by the f-150 comment was all of the body shops across America had to learn how to deal with crunched aluminum (as well as all tech stuff). And that happened.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 16, 2024 7:17:58 GMT -5
What I meant by the f-150 comment was all of the body shops across America had to learn how to deal with crunched aluminum (as well as all tech stuff). And that happened. One would think. I went off the road and clipped a sign in December in my F-150 putting some minor dents in the bedside. I took it to Caliber Collision which is a chain of body shops and they told me they don't do aluminum! 🙅♂️ |
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Post by davet on Mar 16, 2024 11:24:22 GMT -5
I have several local guys that will. My BIL took his to one & the guy did a great job with the dents.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 16, 2024 19:45:36 GMT -5
What I meant by the f-150 comment was all of the body shops across America had to learn how to deal with crunched aluminum (as well as all tech stuff). And that happened. I didn't say it can't be done but working at a plant where the aluminum is extruded for the 150 I know the amount of money the plant invested to put in the press to extrude the metal for the 150. Millions with robots and automation. The engineers at Ford wanted to extrude the metal to do less welding and assembly straight off the press but that's not how extrusion works. I ran a saw cutting the brake manifold for years metal was 100% inspected and if a claim was made the metal on the floor had to be 100% inspected. Automotive is a big pain in the rear for the workers. I had a dodge promaster when I went back into HVAC with a Bosch brake manifold in it. I always told the guys I worked with there is a good chance I cut the thing. I'd have to look at the stamp to confirm it. Parts marked on every piece. Evs are a long way away imo. We simply don't have the means to go all in at this time. |
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Post by stroupy on Mar 16, 2024 19:51:55 GMT -5
What I meant by the f-150 comment was all of the body shops across America had to learn how to deal with crunched aluminum (as well as all tech stuff). And that happened. One would think. I went off the road and clipped a sign in December in my F-150 putting some minor dents in the bedside. I took it to Caliber Collision which is a chain of body shops and they told me they don't do aluminum! 🙅♂️ Aluminum doesn't dent to well you get small dents in the thinner stuff but the thicker stuff breaks and gives you holes. Ever try painting aluminum? It doesn't stick too well can you imagine the cost the paint is for aluminum vehicles? Car paint is already expensive. Most aluminum we would get anodized. We assembled a lot of sound barriers for New Jersey highways all metal sent out to be anodized. |
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Post by davet on Mar 17, 2024 8:42:59 GMT -5
Fender benders for the cheapest cars made start at a minimum of $1,500 to fix.
Another prime complaint of mine are those carfax commercials that state a car that’s been in an accident is worth far less than the same one that hasn’t. If the car is properly repaired there is no difference.
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Post by rusty on Mar 17, 2024 12:39:44 GMT -5
The is talk of Silicon-Anode batteries that are much more energy dense and have shorter charging times.
Like all other technologies, power supplies for EVs will continue to advance. The financial opportunities in their development will drive the research. Our children and/or grandchildren will be puzzled by the opposition to EVs we see today.
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Post by davet on Mar 17, 2024 13:41:41 GMT -5
Our grandkids will be puzzled by much more as well
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Post by stroupy on Mar 17, 2024 14:24:04 GMT -5
I just don't see the argument that mining for lithium is healthy but nothing else is. Lithium mining has been known to cause droughts from the amount of water needed to mine for lithium. Then one day the environmental people will be calling for the end if lithium because they just won't end.I said it before we are parasites on this earth.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 17, 2024 14:46:50 GMT -5
I just don't see the argument that mining for lithium is healthy but nothing else is. Lithium mining has been known to cause droughts from the amount of water needed to mine for lithium. Then one day the environmental people will be calling for the end if lithium because they just won't end.I said it before we are parasites on this earth. BINGO!!! The less of us there are, the better off the world would be. |
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Post by rusty on Mar 17, 2024 15:08:08 GMT -5
I just don't see the argument that mining for lithium is healthy but nothing else is. Lithium mining has been known to cause droughts from the amount of water needed to mine for lithium. Then one day the environmental people will be calling for the end if lithium because they just won't end.I said it before we are parasites on this earth. Have you seen the raping of land that is done in the mining of gold? Other than a store of wealth and the vanity of those who love jewelry, there are very few uses for it that there are not better metals. |
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Post by stroupy on Mar 17, 2024 15:20:58 GMT -5
I just don't see the argument that mining for lithium is healthy but nothing else is. Lithium mining has been known to cause droughts from the amount of water needed to mine for lithium. Then one day the environmental people will be calling for the end if lithium because they just won't end.I said it before we are parasites on this earth. Have you seen the raping of land that is done in the mining of gold? Other than a store of wealth and the vanity of those who love jewelry, there are very few uses for it that there are not better metals. Actually gold is used heavily in electronics and controls. Silver is in every breaker in your panel. Coal is used more then what people see it's in your tires rubbers and many other uses. Coal isn't going away. China is increasing Coal plants just do they can make your solar panels. Those solar panels are the worst thing someone can put on their roofs. It doesn't allow your roof the dry. Think of it as plastic over cement to keep the moisture in so it doesn't dry to quickly. It gets on the tarp then condensates back onto the roof. |
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Post by davet on Mar 17, 2024 16:18:56 GMT -5
If a vehicle tire is made with synthetic rubber then coal could very well be a component. Synthetic rubber is also derived from oil.
What makes the tire black is "Carbon Black". It's a very fine particle made from oil or gas. It's the unburned little flakes. That stuff is like soot.....you can't ever get it off!!
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Post by stroupy on Mar 17, 2024 16:28:45 GMT -5
If a vehicle tire is made with synthetic rubber then coal could very well be a component. Synthetic rubber is also derived from oil. What makes the tire black is "Carbon Black". It's a very fine particle made from oil or gas. It's the unburned little flakes. That stuff is like soot.....you can't ever get it off!! Yep, it's like vegetarians if only they knew how much stuff they use everyday consists of lard from animals. |
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Post by davet on Mar 17, 2024 16:29:37 GMT -5
If a vehicle tire is made with synthetic rubber then coal could very well be a component. Synthetic rubber is also derived from oil. What makes the tire black is "Carbon Black". It's a very fine particle made from oil or gas. It's the unburned little flakes. That stuff is like soot.....you can't ever get it off!! Yep, it's like vegetarians if only they knew how much stuff they use everyday consists of lard from animals. My answer to Vegans is "Plants have feelings too"  |
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