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Post by Loggy on Mar 11, 2024 7:13:08 GMT -5
Only ever remember hitting one deer with a rifle that I didn't find. That was with a 270 Funny you should mention that Mike as it's my only experience too! My first rifle I bought was my senior year of HS after saving many months part time money......a new Rem 700 BDL 270. I was in heaven!! I immediately went with the 130 grain bullet after reading Jack O'connor's book The Hunting Rifle plus the only 270 guy in camp had me brain washed!! Well after about ten 1-shot DRT kills I hit a large doe up on Camp Mountain out off the SGL access trail towards Procter. I made what I thought was a perfect dbl lunger. It was in heavy brush only about 75 yards. I immediately found blood and trailed doe for over 1 mile with blood eventually stopping. I met Dad at lunch & we bot went out to look and never found doe. My only explanation is that the bullet fragmented on a small sapling etc. End of story..... next season I was carrying a Model 760 30-06 pump like Dad told me to originally get!!
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Post by dougl on Mar 11, 2024 9:13:37 GMT -5
A lot of rifle hunters shoot for a shoulder shot to get a quick knockdown especially in heavily populated public grounds(to avoid tracking/losing deer to another hunter). IMO.....a 40 grain bullet out of a 22 Hornet more times than not would not will penetrate enuff for a clean kill. Of course....a double lung would do the job but many rifle hunters go for the shoulder. Won't even get into angling shots needing additional penetration to reach vitals where the 22 hornet would fall even further short in an ethical kill vs say a 30-06. Such calibers are best suited for groundhogs varmints etc. Bullets used in the Hornet are designed for Varmints.I bought my son a ..223 when he was 10.It was the exact same rifle as his .308.The plan was to load several hundred rounds and let him burn them cheaply offhand with no recoil.After we accomplished that,he wanted to kill a deer with that rifle so I loaded some 55gr Barnes TTSX.I'd have to count but we've killed at least 8 deer that I can think of with that load and I don't think a single one went 50 yards.Most dropped where they stood or just stumbled a few feet.Once you take out a vital organ,it no longer functions and the results are very similar,regardless of what you shoot it with.I don't take running shots and I pass on more than I take.To me,a deer suffers is a failed hunt,whether it's recovered or not.It's just the way I look at it.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 11, 2024 9:53:26 GMT -5
Loggy, my Dad always said the 270 was a groundhog gun. I never believed him and when he asked me if I'd sell him my 760 Gamemaster 30-06 for my little brother (dad gave me the gun, it was his since the 70's) I went out and found another 760 in 270. Killed a couple pronghorn out west with it and things looked good. In deer season I took a Doe right behind the shoulder. It went 100 yards and I had no blood! Next year I spined one that was running and a few days later my only rifle wounding loss occurred. Well the next season I had a 280 Remington in my hands but the year after that I went back to the 30-06 which is still what I mostly use. Every so often I get the itch for another 270 but I can't quite bring myself to trust it
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Post by Loggy on Mar 11, 2024 10:18:38 GMT -5
In the early years of my camp the gun rack had (2)30-30s, (1)300 Sav, (1)308,) (1)30-40 Krag (1)30-06 (2) 270(me & old George). The 30 cal guys called me & Georges 270 a "cat rifle"!! Like your dad's name.... "groundhog gun"! Man...how thing's have evolved today with the 6.5's, shortie mag craz etc!!
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 10:44:40 GMT -5
A lot of rifle hunters shoot for a shoulder shot to get a quick knockdown especially in heavily populated public grounds(to avoid tracking/losing deer to another hunter). IMO.....a 40 grain bullet out of a 22 Hornet more times than not would not will penetrate enuff for a clean kill. Of course....a double lung would do the job but many rifle hunters go for the shoulder. Won't even get into angling shots needing additional penetration to reach vitals where the 22 hornet would fall even further short in an ethical kill vs say a 30-06. Such calibers are best suited for groundhogs varmints etc. Bullets used in the Hornet are designed for Varmints.I bought my son a ..223 when he was 10.It was the exact same rifle as his .308.The plan was to load several hundred rounds and let him burn them cheaply offhand with no recoil.After we accomplished that,he wanted to kill a deer with that rifle so I loaded some 55gr Barnes TTSX.I'd have to count but we've killed at least 8 deer that I can think of with that load and I don't think a single one went 50 yards.Most dropped where they stood or just stumbled a few feet.Once you take out a vital organ,it no longer functions and the results are very similar,regardless of what you shoot it with.I don't take running shots and I pass on more than I take.To me,a deer suffers is a failed hunt,whether it's recovered or not.It's just the way I look at it. I almost went with the 223 last year, but decided a 243 would be a tad better. The 223 still intrigues me tho, with the right twist to handle a heavier bullet
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 11, 2024 10:52:28 GMT -5
I almost went with the 223 last year, but decided a 243 would be a tad better. The 223 still intrigues me tho, with the right twist to handle a heavier bullet I was impressed with the 22/250 on deer. The right bullet and right shot being the key.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 11:07:52 GMT -5
I almost went with the 223 last year, but decided a 243 would be a tad better. The 223 still intrigues me tho, with the right twist to handle a heavier bullet I was impressed with the 22/250 on deer. The right bullet and right shot being the key. We tried to get a load for my brothers 22-250 with a heavier copper bullets, but they actually keyholed. Had never seen that in person before
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Post by davet on Mar 11, 2024 11:12:39 GMT -5
I've managed to get a good subsonic .223 load using Trail Boss and a Speer 70gr Spitzer. I shoot these from my Savage M10 Carbine with a suppressor. Very quiet, and very accurate at 50yds. Even at 100 not to shabby.
Just in case one of my neighborhood coyotes happen by........
Savage has a 1-9 barrel twist.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 12:43:12 GMT -5
I think his was 1:12. Old model 788
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 11, 2024 15:51:28 GMT -5
Never cared for the 270, never owned one either. Did see a few deer killed with the caliber, thought it ruined too much meat. Don't care for the 7mm-08 either. Owned one of them, killed three deer with it. The only one I didn't have to trail was a doe I shot in the head at 10 feet. She was laying behind a log and thought she was hidden.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 11, 2024 17:50:42 GMT -5
If my Dad were alive he’d kick my ass for all the guns, premium ammo i buy not including all my other “must” have toys. Dad was a poor woodworker only finishing 10th grade working 2-3 jobs supporting our family paying his house off in 5 years. All the years I hunted with Dad & before until his early death at age 53 he carried ONE GUN……a Remington 760 Gamemaster 30-06 shooting cheap factory 180 grain Core Lock ammo. Miraculously, based on his game record book he killed 47 buck and 5 black bear with that one gun and ammo. He hunted VA, NC and PA plus Canada for bear. Only time he splurged was when he bought his Belgium Browning A-5 shotgun which supplied hundreds of rabbit and pheasant meals for our family. Damn I miss Dad so I better stop. Just think of him often as I surround myself with stuff I really don’t need. Hoping he forgives me as I’m beyond help.😀
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Post by moosemike on Mar 11, 2024 18:01:31 GMT -5
My Dad, Grandpa, and my Uncles all made do with one 30-06 as well. I have two
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Post by davet on Mar 11, 2024 18:18:30 GMT -5
If my Dad were alive he’d kick my ass for all the guns, premium ammo i buy not including all my other “must” have toys. Dad was a poor woodworker only finishing 10th grade working 2-3 jobs supporting our family paying his house off in 5 years. All the years I hunted with Dad & before until his early death at age 53 he carried ONE GUN……a Remington 760 Gamemaster 30-06 shooting cheap factory 180 grain Core Lock ammo. Miraculously, based on his game record book he killed 47 buck and 5 black bear with that one gun and ammo. He hunted VA, NC and PA plus Canada for bear. Only time he splurged was when he bought his Belgium Browning A-5 shotgun which supplied hundreds of rabbit and pheasant meals for our family. Damn I miss Dad so I better stop. Just think of him often as I surround myself with stuff I really don’t need. Hoping he forgives me as I’m beyond help.😀 I dunno Loggy. I think he'd likely be proud of the success you made in life of yourself both as a person and financially. But....if you ever wanna sell that full stock 6.5 cal.......just lemme know!!!
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 21:30:26 GMT -5
If my Dad were alive he’d kick my ass for all the guns, premium ammo i buy not including all my other “must” have toys. Dad was a poor woodworker only finishing 10th grade working 2-3 jobs supporting our family paying his house off in 5 years. All the years I hunted with Dad & before until his early death at age 53 he carried ONE GUN……a Remington 760 Gamemaster 30-06 shooting cheap factory 180 grain Core Lock ammo. Miraculously, based on his game record book he killed 47 buck and 5 black bear with that one gun and ammo. He hunted VA, NC and PA plus Canada for bear. Only time he splurged was when he bought his Belgium Browning A-5 shotgun which supplied hundreds of rabbit and pheasant meals for our family. Damn I miss Dad so I better stop. Just think of him often as I surround myself with stuff I really don’t need. Hoping he forgives me as I’m beyond help.😀 Loggy, your dad is looking down and smiling at your success. Success in raising two successful daughters, and a successful marriage. He's also smiling seeing the son he raised taking care of his mother, as he should . You've gone above and beyond, and I think your Pop would forgive you of your excesses. Lol
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Post by moosemike on Mar 11, 2024 22:30:45 GMT -5
No, his pop is sitting up there pi$$ed because Loggy has all those guns. But he's mostly upset about that 6.5 😛
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 22:40:19 GMT -5
No, his pop is sitting up there pi$$ed because Loggy has all those guns. But he's mostly upset about that 6.5 😛 😂😂😂
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Post by Loggy on Mar 12, 2024 8:10:06 GMT -5
No, his pop is sitting up there pi$$ed because Loggy has all those guns. But he's mostly upset about that 6.5 😛 Thanks for those kind words. You could be spot on there Mike!! One thing I really miss is sharing a cold one with Dad after the hunt. The thing I don't miss is that Old Milwaukee!! Haven't had one since Dad's passing!!
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Post by moosemike on Mar 12, 2024 11:33:34 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with Old Mud. Do they still make it? Haven't seen it in years. It may have went the way of Stroh's
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Post by Loggy on Mar 12, 2024 17:25:07 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with Old Mud. Do they still make it? Haven't seen it in years. It may have went the way of Stroh's Haven't seen any for a long time. Last I saw was in the back of Dad's Silverado. Dad knew I was a Budman back then but always said can't beat the Ole Mud price of $6/case. Of course, whenever back at camp he would always reach for a Bud when both were in the fridge!! Said always nice to try sumpin a lil different now & then!
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 12, 2024 18:36:58 GMT -5
I think most of forefathers would wonder why we need so many guns. Most of my Uncles, my dad and grandfather only owned 3 guns. A deer rifle usually in a lever action 30 or 32 caliber,, a double barrel shot gun, usually a 12 gage, and a bolt action single shot 22. The one exception was my bachelor uncle who was in partnership with my father on the farm. He owned a deer rifle, and a varmint rifle, bolt actions, 2 double barrel, a 22 Winchester model 51, 2 revolvers, a 22 and a 38 that he cared in WW2 as a B17 tail and ball turret gunner in the Pacific. My son and I still have all of dad's guns. I have the Marlin model 93, 32 Winchester Special, the Winchester 22 single shot, that spent a lot of it's life in the milk house leaning against the wall, just in case. My son has his 12 gage double that I restocked and he still uses.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 12, 2024 19:09:49 GMT -5
A lot of the old timers didn't waste money. They bought what they needed and no more. But we have so much more disposable income than they did back in the day. I mean had they come out with AR-15's back in the day nobody would have bought one. Now everybody has one
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Post by davet on Mar 13, 2024 7:06:28 GMT -5
My FIL was a machinist his entire life. With 5 kids he did his best. My wife was raised in a 1940's Sears Kit House. All the walls (including exterior) were built with 2x2's and were plywood on each side. (Yes...no plaster or drywall)
They had no disposable income. He was a very creative guy who could make anything, and make it well out of what others would throw away.
He hunted with a single shot 12ga, and according to my BIL, he could get off a second shot faster than a guy with a pump. He carried a second shell between his fingers when he hunted.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 13, 2024 7:24:07 GMT -5
A lot of the old timers didn't waste money. They bought what they needed and no more. But we have so much more disposable income than they did back in the day. I mean had they come out with AR-15's back in the day nobody would have bought one. Now everybody has one That describes my Dad to a T.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 13, 2024 7:26:47 GMT -5
My FIL was a machinist his entire life. With 5 kids he did his best. My wife was raised in a 1940's Sears Kit House. All the walls (including exterior) were built with 2x2's and were plywood on each side. (Yes...no plaster or drywall) Pre pandemic, one of those sold in my brother's neighborhood for $150,000. It was torn down, and they built a new home on the lot. 😳 Today, that old Sears house would sell for $250,000 or more.
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