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Post by Loggy on Mar 21, 2023 18:34:41 GMT -5
Man I can't wait till grandson is old enough to fish! I'll get first crack at the Trout! Glorious! LOL YUP!! Me wunt that first crack at dem hungry trout!!  |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 21, 2023 19:10:38 GMT -5
Here's my 2cts. I mentored my 2 Daughters plus one Grandson at a very young age(plus have 3 more Grandkids coming onboard shortly  ). I have over 60 years fishing experience spanning from fishing for bluegills in a farm pond to AK Halibut fishing and most everything inbetween.. I'm not a casual/novice fisherman by any means.....and consider myself an experienced fisherman being very respectful of/plus positively furthering our sport. When mentoring my kids I NEVER EVER took a rod/reel for myself!! The same goes for crabbing......I'm NOT even in the line-up....I'm just their coach. In fact....I never even considered taking tackle for myself. My time mentoring has always been 100% consumed(AND THEN SOME!!) teaching the youngster(s) the basics ranging from water safety, tackle safety, fishing courtesy, casting/retreiving techniques, hook setting, playing fish, dehooking fish, ethical fish handling, knot tying, baiting, working thru tanglements etc etc etc etc. IMO.....if you are truly mentoring a youth you really do not have time to fish yourself if doing your job. My point is even without taking a rod for yourself, you are still fishing according to our laws and rags which is why it has to remain legal for the adults to fish. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 21, 2023 19:26:31 GMT -5
Man I can't wait till grandson is old enough to fish! I'll get first crack at the Trout! Glorious! LOL He's old enough now, what are you waiting for? |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 22, 2023 8:27:06 GMT -5
Gene, Gene, Gene. You are completely missing the point. It has to be intentional, cuz I know you're a smarter feller than that. It's not hard to write the regulation in a fashion that puts emphasis on the mentor assisting the mentee. Not targeting that prized Palomino 30 yards upstream while his kid or grandkid make mudpies on the bank. If you click on the MY Program website on the PFBC site, the banner photo is of what appears to be a "tenured" fella, replete with hip boots, vest, net, pole in hand and line in the water. He appears to be standing next to a fully capable person, possibly a grandson/granddaughter, also fishing. Atta way to promote MY fishing. Don't put up a photo of grandpa, minus a pole in hand, helping a child rig up, or bait a "Snoopy" pole, potentially depicting what MENTORING a youth SHOULD look like. Good call PFBC. LOL www.fishandboat.com/Fish/FishingRegulations/Pages/MentoredYouthProgram.aspx |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 22, 2023 8:29:07 GMT -5
..... and, WTF does this have to do with "Turkey Hunting" ?  |
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Post by muttleysback on Mar 22, 2023 8:31:02 GMT -5
Well, just for the sake of pot-stirring, how's about letting a mentor carry agun and shoot when he takes a youth out during a youth hunting season? Wouldn't that encourage more guys to take young hunter out? This argument is mostly bullpuckey. I mentored a bunch of kids, my own and some not my own, and when I took them out they did the hunting and shooting. I never felt like I was missing out on the opportunity to kill something. But then, I realize I am not most guys. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 22, 2023 8:45:50 GMT -5
Gene, Gene, Gene. You are completely missing the point. It has to be intentional, cuz I know you're a smarter feller than that. It's not hard to write the regulation in a fashion that puts emphasis on the mentor assisting the mentee. Not targeting that prized Palomino 30 yards upstream while his kid or grandkid make mudpies on the bank. Didn't miss it at all. I even said in the thread that a fella that is fishing two holes up targeting that palomino while their kid plays in the mud should be cited. My whole point is directed at those that feel youth day should be eliminated and that "adults should not be allowed to fish". Yep. Looks like great family time to me. What better way to spend the day! No worries. Instead of 3.2 million trout waiting for the old guys on the opener, there will be 3,190,000 waiting. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 22, 2023 8:48:40 GMT -5
Well, just for the sake of pot-stirring, how's about letting a mentor carry agun and shoot when he takes a youth out during a youth hunting season? Wouldn't that encourage more guys to take young hunter out? I believe it is catch and release for the adults. |
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Post by bake545 on Mar 22, 2023 8:52:05 GMT -5
There must be a lot of kids who are way better fisherman than mine are if we are worrying about this. I spend 95% of my time untangling fishing lines and only bring a rod so my kids can use it while I'm fixing theirs. It's gotten a little better as they have gotten older at least. You can't legislate away every bad behavior but some people always seem hellbent to at the expense of honest people's enjoyment.
To get back on subject, the turkey population where I hunt in 2D seems to be on the rise after some down years. Hopefully it stays that way!
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Post by fleroo on Mar 22, 2023 9:26:26 GMT -5
Have no idea who you're directing this to... "My whole point is directed at those that feel youth day should be eliminated". I certainly don't feel that MY should be eliminated. But I sure as hellll don't believe adults should be allowed to "actively fish" on MY day. It's effing STOOPID !  And yes. The Turkey are rebounding here in Eastern Washington County. I HOPE it's not solely weather related. I HOPE it was due to some bird disease that has finally subsided. Why do I say that ? Because if the drastic decline I witnessed here in my neck was solely weather related (poor recruitment), it means it's gonna happen again and again. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 22, 2023 9:42:29 GMT -5
But I sure as hellll don't believe adults should be allowed to "actively fish" on MY day. It's effing STOOPID ! If you are helping a young kid learn how to fish, you are "actively fishing".  What you don't want is for an adult to fish on their own if they are not assisting the kid in any way. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 22, 2023 11:32:29 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed more and more, now that I'm not working full-time, is that in season stocking of both trout and pheasants occurs when kids are in school.
You see cars and trucks parked at every bridge, and the guys pretty much all have gray hair.
The guys out hunting pheasants all pretty much have gray hair.
Just an observation.
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Post by dougl on Mar 22, 2023 11:46:14 GMT -5
It's a valid observation.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 22, 2023 13:33:09 GMT -5
What the $%^& do you have against grey hair ? I resemble that remark !  |
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Post by muttleysback on Mar 22, 2023 13:37:42 GMT -5
Me three!
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Post by bushmaster on Mar 22, 2023 13:50:26 GMT -5
Man I can't wait till grandson is old enough to fish! I'll get first crack at the Trout! Glorious! LOL He's old enough now, what are you waiting for? I'll wait till he's walking and talking. I'll have a hard time casting spinners with him on my hip! Lol |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 22, 2023 14:02:41 GMT -5
He's old enough now, what are you waiting for? I'll wait till he's walking and talking. I'll have a hard time casting spinners with him on my hip! Lol Get one of them backpack kiddo holders. I cut grass with my daughter on my back, lol. Should be able to cast and reel in them big golden breeders no problem with the little man behind you. |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 22, 2023 15:55:37 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed more and more, now that I'm not working full-time, is that in season stocking of both trout and pheasants occurs when kids are in school. You see cars and trucks parked at every bridge, and the guys pretty much all have gray hair. The guys out hunting pheasants all pretty much have gray hair. Just an observation. Not anymore today, maybe tomorrow, I just don't have enough energy left today,, to start on the stocking of fish & pheasants. No I'm not against it, just how it's done. And what do have against gray hairs, what are we suppose to do, sit around and play gin rummy? I'm betting theirs a few gray hairs on your head too, or does only your barber know. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 22, 2023 22:29:24 GMT -5
What the $%^& do you have against grey hair ? I resemble that remark ! My point was that retired guys, generally, are the ones that get to take advantage of the stocked pheasants and the stocked trout, in season. I've seen it now that I can be out there on days they stock pheasants. The kids, generally, are in school and can't take advantage. Then, we have retired guys beeching about youth opportunities??? WTF??? |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 22, 2023 22:31:08 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed more and more, now that I'm not working full-time, is that in season stocking of both trout and pheasants occurs when kids are in school. You see cars and trucks parked at every bridge, and the guys pretty much all have gray hair. The guys out hunting pheasants all pretty much have gray hair. Just an observation. Not anymore today, maybe tomorrow, I just don't have enough energy left today,, to start on the stocking of fish & pheasants. No I'm not against it, just how it's done. And what do have against gray hairs, what are we suppose to do, sit around and play gin rummy? I'm betting theirs a few gray hairs on your head too, or does only your barber know. I'm 62, I don't have my original hair color. |
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Post by muttleysback on Mar 23, 2023 4:11:06 GMT -5
62? Youngster!  |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 23, 2023 5:52:04 GMT -5
62? Youngster! I know. I was just clarifying that there is plenty of snow on my roof. 😂 |
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Post by muttleysback on Mar 23, 2023 8:58:51 GMT -5
So long as there is fire in the furnac, snow on the roof is OK. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 23, 2023 9:14:24 GMT -5
That's a good call ri'chere !  |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 23, 2023 9:18:49 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed more and more, now that I'm not working full-time, is that in season stocking of both trout and pheasants occurs when kids are in school. You see cars and trucks parked at every bridge, and the guys pretty much all have gray hair. The guys out hunting pheasants all pretty much have gray hair. Just an observation. Seeing that Dutch brought it up, My thoughts on stocking fish and pheasants. When should they stock? They don't work on weekend or holidays when the school kids are off. Not going to change, unless the independent hatcheries do their stocking on Saturday. The reason you see us old guys fishing at bridges is because; Number 1, Bridges seems to be the major, and sometimes the only place where the fish commission dumps the fish. At lease that's what I'm seeing on my local stocked stream. Number 2, a lot of those gray hairs, like me, can no longer walk any distance, so we don't. ☹️ As for pheasants, not sure what the answer is, once again they don't work on weekends or holidays. I do feel the PGC does a good job of releasing birds in different locations on the game lands I sometimes or use to hunt. Which, thanks to Dutch and Kathy, and others, is now a game lands instead of a parking lot for Penn State Football games. Bottom line is, if you have the means to be fully retired and choose too, along with the physical ability to enjoy it, it can become "Living the Dream". The truth is, I no longer fish or hunt as much as I did just after retirement, 16 years ago. Most of my hunting now consists of a short walk and sitting on a stump somewhere waiting for a deer or bear to come along. Sometimes my son, grandson and a few friends will help make that happen. I may wet a line on April first, I did last year, but that will probably be it for stocked trout. My oldest grandson wants to learn how to fly fish, so I'm going to do my best to at lease get him started. Had him in the front yard last Saturday showing him how to cast the fly rod he bought at a fund raiser , then I let him do it. He has the basics, now to get him on a good fly fishing stream, during a good hatch, and let him go at it. |
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). I have over 60 years fishing experience spanning from fishing for bluegills in a farm pond to AK Halibut fishing and most everything inbetween.. I'm not a casual/novice fisherman by any means.....and consider myself an experienced fisherman being very respectful of/plus positively furthering our sport.
What you don't want is for an adult to fish on their own if they are not assisting the kid in any way. 
