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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 11, 2022 10:06:25 GMT -5
Not telling you a fuqqin thing. I was venting. I've killed plenty with a 243 and a 30-30. I was just fugging venting for Christ's sake can't you get that. Go comfort Job somewhere else Well maybe ending your initial post with this - " I'm done with pop guns for the season," which basically is blaming the gun for your misfortune, wasn't the best idea if you don't feel like reading feedback. The pioneers would have loved to have those "pop guns" while hunting...............
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Dec 11, 2022 10:27:37 GMT -5
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Post by moosemike on Dec 11, 2022 10:27:37 GMT -5
Just be glad I didn't get angry enough to resort to the 45-70 and really kill the schidt out of them
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Post by dennyf on Dec 11, 2022 10:37:39 GMT -5
Cousin that looks after our cabin, has a son that's a chip off'n the old block. Both are deer killin' SOBs.
When the kid was 12, he was gifted a M788 Rem. in 243. First doe season, knocked one down with it opening day, but never got the deer. Later that day, knocked another one down with his dad's 30-30, same result. He was mad, wanted a "bigger gun", so carried his grand pap's 30-06 on day two. He hasn't toted that 243 in a deer season, since. Nothing at all wrong with that choice, as the 243 continues to drop deer year after year.
I ran into them on the second day, asked his dad how the kid was doing. Kid was still upset. So told him there's a Ruger single shot in the used gun rack down at Ackley's, if he wanted a 458 Winchester?
All growed up now and then some, the kid generally takes an archery buck in both PA and NY. Fusses if he has to kill a buck on either side of the line with a rifle these days.
I've killed dozens of deer in rifle seasons over the past 64 years. Now and then one got away after I'd shot it.
Always upsets me if one did, but stuff happens, despite one's best efforts.
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Post by davet on Dec 11, 2022 10:42:22 GMT -5
Just be glad I didn't get angry enough to resort to the 45-70 and really kill the schidt out of them HA!! Well we all know that "dead is dead" no matter the weapon used. FWIW I took out my 45-70 for two reasons: Bear in the WMU was still in season and I wanted "juice" should I have had the opportunity. Second, I took my 45-70 and my .308 to the range the week before 1st day. The 45-70 was spot on, but the .308 was shooting left. I went to adjust the rear folding sight with a brass hammer....not having a good brass punch with me....and proceeded to break the darn rear sight!! (I have another coming in....my stupidity cost $43) So....there's that. I know the .308 will kill a bear.....I also know from experience that the 45-70 packs one heck of a whoolip (sp) and I wanted that in case of the bear thing. I have a tendency to setup in places where....if a good hit on game has been done.....then whatever direction they run, I can access them.
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Post by Dutch on Dec 11, 2022 11:19:26 GMT -5
This year I took a bipod out with me. What a difference.
I was hunting a farm the one day, and ranged to an object at 235 yds. I put the cross hairs on that object, using the bipod, and was just amazed how solid I was. I had it in the treestand with me when I shot the doe this year, but was standing at the time of the shot.
My great niece used it for her 70 yd shot on her doe. It made the difference
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Post by moosemike on Dec 11, 2022 12:13:10 GMT -5
Prior to this season I had only ever hit and lost one deer. And that was with a 270! I should have lost a second though. In 2019 I was on stand and somebody pushed an 8 point past me. He came running by and right as I pulled the trigger on my 30-30 he turned. I didn't know where I hit the deer and all I found was a scuff in the leaves where he drug his hoof. Not a drop of blood! Four hours later this guy is coming up the trail and he asks me if I shot at a buck this morning? I said yes but I didn't find it. He said it's dead and proceeded to tell me where it was. I said that was 3/4 of a mile from here! He said well you were the only shots up here. So I went and had a look. It was the same unique upswept rack that I noted as it ran past. My 30-30 bullet hit the hip bone and deflected. I was told the deer took four hours to die and it died right by a guy in a treestand who refused to put it out of its misery. He just watched it suffer for hours. I glared at that guy and had to bite my tongue
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Dec 11, 2022 17:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by moosemike on Dec 11, 2022 17:11:33 GMT -5
I remembered another one. I hit and didn't find a Doe until it was too late. Gut shot with a ........45-70 😲
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Post by dougl on Dec 12, 2022 11:09:04 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that when you shoot a deer with a bullet,the reaction can be far more inconsistent than when you slide a sharp broadhead through one.We killed 5 doe this year,all hit perfect with 5 shots,three dropped like they were pole axed and two ran quite a ways.My son double lunged one with a 127gr ttsx OUT OF A 6.5CM and that deer went at least 80 yards.Can't blame the shot,bullet or cartridge because the lungs were vaporized.I killed a doe with the same rifle on saturday but used 140gr interlocks.I jumped two doe and they stopped to look when they hit the edge of a laurel patch about 100-120 yards away.I intentionally shot the fawn because I didn't feel like having a heart attack dragging it out of there.The deer mule kicked at the shot and ran about 75 yards before flipping over.I shot the top of her heart off,which also hit both lungs.The exit wound was fist sized and I'm not sure I've ever seen a deer bleed like that.Sometimes you just don't have an answer.The more we use that rifle,the more I like it though.The most consistent load I've ever used by far if a 165gr accubond out of a .308.More often than not there's meat laying there but there's always a big exit wound and they usually don't go far.Those damn accubonds are about as rare hen's teeth now.
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Post by dougl on Dec 12, 2022 11:14:49 GMT -5
So....there's that. I know the .308 will kill a bear.....I also know from experience that the 45-70 packs one heck of a whoolip (sp) and I wanted that in case of the bear thing.
My son killed a bear this year,real close to 400 lbs with a .308 and it never even twitched.Strait down.I shot one with the same bullet out of a 300wsm and it ran 30-40 yards.Stopped for a few seconds,stood on it hind legs and then dropped over.Both accubonds were lodged in the hide on the opposite side of the bear.Both bear were shot at about the same distance and bother quartering to us.
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Post by davet on Dec 12, 2022 12:26:04 GMT -5
Yup Doug.....two ways to kill the animal....#1 hit the CNS, head shot (Which I never recommend), or bullet goes high and hits the spine, or if the shot is right below you, spine shot with arrow or firearm. #2..Stop the blood flow to the brain. Even with a quality heart shot there is still blood pressure in their system. They will run until no more blood pressure....and no more blood carrying oxygen to the brain. I've shown this pic of the buck I killed this year. Heart shot with a 325gr gummy tip. That buck still ran 60 yards before expiring.
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Post by ridgecommander on Dec 12, 2022 12:43:54 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that when you shoot a deer with a bullet,the reaction can be far more inconsistent than when you slide a sharp broadhead through one. Totally agree. A broadhead through the boiler room is as about as efficient as one can get. I have seen far less consistency with deer hit with bullets out of many different chamberings. Nothing kills more efficiently than a sharp broadhead in the right spot.
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Post by dougl on Dec 12, 2022 12:58:30 GMT -5
Now that we agree on.Bullets are just as efficient but the deer's reactions are different.
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Dec 12, 2022 15:18:15 GMT -5
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Post by moosemike on Dec 12, 2022 15:18:15 GMT -5
Doug if I remember correctly your experience with the 35 Remington was all over the map too? Sometimes they would run a good way on a lethal hit no?
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Post by dougl on Dec 12, 2022 15:44:16 GMT -5
Unless they were hit in the central nervous system,they always ran,albeit not always far.High shoulder shots that hit the spine would obviously result in a dropped deer but they always ran otherwise.My beef with the .35 rem was the number of deer we shot that the bullet never exited.I felt it was a weak,mundane caliber.I shot a doe on the first sunday with the .338 federal.Flippin demolished it.I think most of us over the years have obsessed with the perfect caliber and there isn't one.I could use anything from a 6.5cr up to a .338 fed and happily hunt anything that walks in this state.
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Post by buzz on Dec 12, 2022 16:33:17 GMT -5
I have taken more deer with my 25-06 than any other choices. Like most of us, I have toyed with several other calibers over the years. Need to get my 257 Ackly Imp necked to 6mm back out one of these years.
I still like my 30 cal's. I bought a Browning A-bolt stainless synthetic (way over rated gun) in 300 WSM quite a few years ago both for the caliber, but more importantly it was a light gun to carry and clip fed. I have used that gun for several years, it's been beat through the brush, which is what I bought it to do. I use 150 gr Hornady SST bullets. That combo has served me well and I have never lost a deer, in fact I don't remember any even running after the shot.
I don't shoot many deer these days, the buck this year was the first in 15 plus years. Shot a few doe over those years.
I do agree with others who have said shot placement, and with Doug on how each deer can react differently.
About 6 or 7 years ago I had a big doe walking right at me, I shot her at maybe 50 yards with my 50cal Muzzle loader with 240 gr sabots. She ran past me in the snow leaving a red carpet 5 feet wide. Ran for over 100 yards and tipped over. I had split her heart right in two, actually looked worse than the pic Dave shared. Just goes to show as he and others said, they will run on adrenaline until the blood is gone.
I think we have all scratched our heads wondering how a deer still ran after the shot.
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Dec 12, 2022 17:28:52 GMT -5
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Post by Dutch on Dec 12, 2022 17:28:52 GMT -5
Someone once said, "use enough gun". Lol
If you shoot them in the shoulder, they drop like a rock, but people say it ruins meat.
My great niece killed one with an 85 grain out of a 250 Savage this year. Heart shot and died instantly.
I never did take shots on moving deer, nor snap shots. Haven't lost one with a rifle. Not so with a bow
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Dec 12, 2022 18:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by moosemike on Dec 12, 2022 18:05:13 GMT -5
Someone once said, "use enough gun". Lol If you shoot them in the shoulder, they drop like a rock, but people say it ruins meat. My great niece killed one with an 85 grain out of a 250 Savage this year. Heart shot and died instantly. I never did take shots on moving deer, nor snap shots. Haven't lost one with a rifle. Not so with a bow Well I grew up in the deer drive world. Those who wouldn't shoot at running deer were no longer allowed to stand drives. I missed several running deer until I got the hang of it. My crowning achievement in that arena was rolling a Pronghorn in a dead run at 100 yards. Talk about fast food
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Post by buzz on Dec 12, 2022 18:16:02 GMT -5
Years ago I bought a Ruger 77 MK11 (think that is correct model) stainless synthetic. I wanted a light gun, and a hot rock to shoot. I bought it in 6mm and sent it to Hart to have it chambered 257 ackley imp, necked to 6mm. Played with it at range at my house across the chronograph with several loads until I had it screaming fast and accurate. Dropped a leupold on it and was ready for upcoming deer season.
I took it down and showed my Dad the gun and he instantly fell in love with it. He was a guy who only hunted with 2 different guns his whole life, a 32 Winchester and the 270 I had bought him. Anyway, he fell it love with the light gun and the way it fit him, he looked at me and ask me to get him one......... I just chuckled and handed that one to him and said you can have it.....
He killed a lot of deer with it. I did "borrow" it back one season, for one drive, to shoot a deer. He loved that gun, made me happy that he did.
He passed away a few years ago, about this time of year as he was hunting from his truck in my yard the night before he passed.(taking chemo for cancer) Made me happy to give him that gun, even though I built it for me......
Thats the gun I need to take for a walk next year..........
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Post by buzz on Dec 12, 2022 18:19:37 GMT -5
Someone once said, "use enough gun". Lol If you shoot them in the shoulder, they drop like a rock, but people say it ruins meat. My great niece killed one with an 85 grain out of a 250 Savage this year. Heart shot and died instantly. I never did take shots on moving deer, nor snap shots. Haven't lost one with a rifle. Not so with a bow The buck I got this year was about 200 yards running flat out...... I dropped him in his tracks, but shot placement was to far back..... think I may be getting old....lol
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Post by moosemike on Dec 12, 2022 18:40:05 GMT -5
Someone once said, "use enough gun". Lol If you shoot them in the shoulder, they drop like a rock, but people say it ruins meat. My great niece killed one with an 85 grain out of a 250 Savage this year. Heart shot and died instantly. I never did take shots on moving deer, nor snap shots. Haven't lost one with a rifle. Not so with a bow The buck I got this year was about 200 yards running flat out...... I dropped him in his tracks, but shot placement was to far back..... think I may be getting old....lol That's still one hell of a shot.
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Dec 12, 2022 19:32:08 GMT -5
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Post by Dutch on Dec 12, 2022 19:32:08 GMT -5
Pure sheet luck shot. Sorry, it is
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Post by buzz on Dec 12, 2022 20:10:05 GMT -5
Pure sheet luck shot. Sorry, it is Nope, I have shot plenty that way. One about 2 years ago, through the front shoulder. Don't assume your lack of ability is the same as mine.
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Post by Loggy on Dec 12, 2022 20:23:11 GMT -5
Pure sheet luck shot. Sorry, it is But Dutch.....didn't you know that a 200 YARD shot on a running deer is a piece of cake!! Buzz even says he "does plenty that way"!! It's just your "lack of ability" kinda thing Dutch!! Add me to that to Buzz's "lack of ability" list too plus my guess also add 99.99 percent of ALL PA Hunters notwithstanding Buzz of course...... the infamous "Bradford County Sharpshooter!! Where else can one get such FREE humor!!
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Post by moosemike on Dec 12, 2022 20:50:07 GMT -5
I'd be game to try. I don't remember ever going past 100 yards on a running deer but antelope can run 60 mph and if I can roll one of them at a hundred yards I believe I can take a 35 mph deer out a good bit farther than 100
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Post by buzz on Dec 12, 2022 20:56:59 GMT -5
Pure sheet luck shot. Sorry, it is But Dutch.....didn't you know that a 200 YARD shot on a running deer is a piece of cake!! Buzz even says he "does plenty that way"!! It's just your "lack of ability" kinda thing Dutch!! Add me to that to Buzz's "lack of ability" list too plus my guess also add 99.99 percent of ALL PA Hunters notwithstanding Buzz of course...... the infamous "Bradford County Sharpshooter!! Where else can one get such FREE humor!! The difference between the kind of hunting we have done for 40 years, and those who have not. If you care to compare your shooting ability to mine, I am more than game , but for you to judge my ability without ever seeing what I, JJ or others who do that type of shooting can actually do, shows your lack of judgement. Let me know when you want to play a shooting game........bring cash.........but until you do, you should really refrain from putting yourself on that fancy bean counting pedestal.......
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