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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 9:55:17 GMT -5
That's pretty much the mentality that brought us full inclusion, tk. It became an easy sell when the increase in revenue from license and techie toys sales was considered. And if all that matters is getting antlers to brag about, the idea is spot on. I have come to believe that the majority of "hunters" now think that way.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 14, 2018 10:09:00 GMT -5
That's pretty much the mentality that brought us full inclusion, tk. It became an easy sell when the increase in revenue from license and techie toys sales was considered. And if all that matters is getting antlers to brag about, the idea is spot on. I have come to believe that the majority of "hunters" now think that way. do you mean techie toys like when they went from longbow,and recurve to compound bow with sights and other stuff?
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Post by fleroo on Jun 14, 2018 10:12:18 GMT -5
As much as it is with a rifle or any weapon, tk. That's really all there is to any kinda huntin, ain't it? Special seasons for different weapons is a ridiculous concept. I agree. They should start big game season the first of Oct. You should be able to take any big game you have a tag for anytime and with any legal weapon. Huh ? 900,000 plus hunters buck hunting with a rifle, starting Oct 1 ? And running Oct 1 to when ? You don't think there would be many archery or flintlock hunters, opting to archery or flint hunt for buck on Oct 1 over using a rifle do ya ? Am I missing something... or are you doing the sarcasm thingy ? Then there's that whole impact to the resource thingy.
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 11:30:53 GMT -5
Fleroo, caring about the resource is just another example of the backward thinking that has always crippled hunters in this state. And, tk, pretty much. I think we'd(archers anyway) be better off if compounds had never been allowed. High leftoffs and releases made things worse. Skirl's switch to a crossbow is exactly where they should fit into archery hunting anywhere-In my own humble opinion. of course. I have made this opinion clear many times. I am probably less likely to change that than any of you are of changing yours.......sooo, carry on. I'm sure we can all agree that it's good that an archer has a way of staying in the game. That's good enough.
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Post by dougell on Jun 14, 2018 11:54:56 GMT -5
Isn't that the main goal of archery? Make a good shot to insure recovery. Yeah...that's whut I always thought. I know when I was shooting compound bows I went to a trigger pull/wrist strap type Winn Free release and it helped make extremely consistent/accurate shots vs finger pulling with little adjusting.. Mebbie I shoulda felt guilty in that it made things too easy? I started using a release back in the mid 90's because the bows kept getting shorter and had higher let off.It's just really hard to shoot that kind of bow with fingers.I know ehen I went to a release,I felt kinda dirty at the time.My brother just started using one last year.He was shooting an 80% let-off single came with fingers lol.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 14, 2018 12:37:55 GMT -5
red, if you think archers would be better off if the compound bow and it's accessories were never allowed, do you also think rifle hunters would be better off if thy hadn't advanced past the flintlock and round ball?
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 14:02:27 GMT -5
Have you archery hunted for many years, tk? There certainly would be fewer of us. I think some flintlock guys get it when talk of in-lines inclusion in their season comes up.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 14, 2018 14:32:07 GMT -5
Have you archery hunted for many years, tk? There certainly would be fewer of us. I think some flintlock guys get it when talk of in-lines inclusion in their season comes up. been archery huntin for 42 yrs. I have harvested bucks with recurve, compound, and crossbow.
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 14:51:49 GMT -5
That's a year longer than I have, tk. Ain't it funny how some are into the same activity for such different reasons.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 14, 2018 15:06:12 GMT -5
That's a year longer than I have, tk. Ain't it funny how some are into the same activity for such different reasons. Im not sure what your reason is for archery huntin, but mine is to take advantage of a season allowed by the PGC, to enjoy the outdoors and maybe harvest a buck.
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Post by davet on Jun 14, 2018 15:40:44 GMT -5
If you wanna shoot a recurve.....have at it. If you wanna shoot a compound.....have at it. If you wanna shoot a crossbow.....have at it. From my perspective I see no reason why not to and hold no ill will against anyone who chooses any type of arrow launcher.
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 16:09:22 GMT -5
A i said tk, we each get something different from the season. Dave, do you feel the same about in-line and flintlocks?
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Post by Loggy on Jun 14, 2018 16:16:55 GMT -5
Red...you keep referencing inlines and flintlocks. An inline more than triples the effective killing range compared to a flintlock. Not so with a crossbow compared to a vertical bow.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 14, 2018 16:20:21 GMT -5
A i said tk, we each get something different from the season. Dave, do you feel the same about in-line and flintlocks? if not to enjoy the outdoors and attempt to harvest a deer, what are your reasons to archery hunt?
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 16:26:48 GMT -5
That's part of it, tk. It would do no good to try to explain to most folks why I love archery hunting. I'm glad you enjoy it and wish you luck.
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 16:27:51 GMT -5
Red...you keep referencing inlines and flintlocks. An inline more than triples the effective killing range compared to a flintlock. Not so with a crossbow compared to a vertical bow. Is that the only difference you see?
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Post by Loggy on Jun 14, 2018 16:37:33 GMT -5
Red...you keep referencing inlines and flintlocks. An inline more than triples the effective killing range compared to a flintlock. Not so with a crossbow compared to a vertical bow. Is that the only difference you see? Obviously not. Inlines have a fast twist barrel (1-28) vs most flintlocks 1-60 on average. Inlines ignition system is fueled by a magnum style 209 primer. My guess is that you have no experience with either type muzzleloader or you wouldn't even try to make a correlation of such to a crossbow vs vertical bow.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jun 14, 2018 16:44:22 GMT -5
That's part of it, tk. It would do no good to try to explain to most folks why I love archery hunting. I'm glad you enjoy it and wish you luck. [br I wish the same to you
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Post by davet on Jun 14, 2018 16:56:04 GMT -5
A i said tk, we each get something different from the season. Dave, do you feel the same about in-line and flintlocks? No. OTOH, I don't think it's fair to compare a Dodge Caravan to a Dodge Hellcat.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 14, 2018 18:08:30 GMT -5
If you wanna shoot a recurve.....have at it. If you wanna shoot a compound.....have at it. If you wanna shoot a crossbow.....have at it. From my perspective I see no reason why not to and hold no ill will against anyone who chooses any type of arrow launcher. Ok, I'm just starting to like you. LOL Doug still doesn't like you tho....
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Post by Dutch on Jun 14, 2018 18:09:08 GMT -5
At any rate, I, for one, am damned happy for Skwirl!
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 19:27:11 GMT -5
Is that the only difference you see? Obviously not. Inlines have a fast twist barrel (1-28) vs most flintlocks 1-60 on average. Inlines ignition system is fueled by a magnum style 209 primer. My guess is that you have no experience with either type muzzleloader or you wouldn't even try to make a correlation of such to a crossbow vs vertical bow. I shoot a flintlock some, though I have caught the bug the way one of my brothers has. Mine has a 1 in 66 twist(I think). A comparison maybe flint is to traditional bow, as cap and ball is to compound, as inline is to crossbow?? Maybe not totally accurate, but in terms of learning curve/effectiveness I believe it not too far off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 20:54:24 GMT -5
At any rate, I, for one, am damned happy for Skwirl! SKwirl is damned unhappy …..I thought I would make a hunting related post to get away from politics and it turns into a pizzin match cant you people just agree to disagree if I want drama I'll go to a movie
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Post by Loggy on Jun 15, 2018 5:55:45 GMT -5
At any rate, I, for one, am damned happy for Skwirl! SKwirl is damned unhappy …..I thought I would make a hunting related post to get away from politics and it turns into a pizzin match cant you people just agree to disagree if I want drama I'll go to a movie Amen Skwirl....Didn't take too long after your OP till your good thread got sadly polluted. I'm surprised at the shallowness of some sportsmen.
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Post by redarrow on Jun 15, 2018 5:58:27 GMT -5
Me too, Loggy!
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