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Post by ridgecommander on May 26, 2018 7:18:55 GMT -5
As technology advances, some interesting concepts will keep being made available to hunters. Here is one that is just hitting the streets. I have a three pack coming to play with. Basically, the nock contains a tiny microprocessor that illuminates when shot, but then emits a signal that can be tracked with a Bluetooth enabled device that has the Breadcrumb App installed to make finding your arrow easy. Works up to 100 yards. Also, the nock contains a speaker than can activated to chirp by the user as well. Batteries are replaceable. You don't need a cell signal to interface with the nock. Yes, I know these are illegal in Pa so I don't plan to hunt with them here. Quite pricey at $120 for three. Another interesting product by the same company is their location markers. These are attached to a blind or treestand and the user can then make them flash in the dark, or track them on their Bluetooth device. This would be especially nice in the dark for getting right to your stand. The best feature with the location markers if you can put the marker out there and share the device with a friend that also has the App installed. Once your buddy gets within 100 yards of a stand or blind that he has never been too, he can walk right to it. Again, no cell signal is needed to interface with the marker. I see this as being huge with outfitters that set 100 of stands for clients.   |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 8:01:16 GMT -5
At $120 for three does it really make sense to buy them to find a $10 arrow? Some of the crap people come up with.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 26, 2018 8:24:25 GMT -5
At $120 for three does it really make sense to buy them to find a $10 arrow? Some of the crap people come up with. At $10 an arrow, probably not. At $35-45 an arrow, which is what many combinations are costing these days, it makes a lot of sense for people that do a lot of hunting. These are not for the weekend warriors that get in a dozen hunts a season hoping to take one deer. The location markers are very intriguing. Especially since you can share the device to someone else who can then track the marker to a specific stand. |
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Post by ridgecommander on May 26, 2018 8:30:23 GMT -5
I am shooting some arrow, broadhead, nock combinations now that cost $44 a pop.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 8:35:19 GMT -5
Some years ago, I hunted with Dave Lusk (Southern Ohio). He had some tree stands marked with locator lights. The light had a remote. When you pressed the button the light flashed a couple of times. I don't know where he got them, but it was a nice touch. He could drop a hunter off a few hundred yards from the stand (on the other side of a field). I tried looking them up but can't find them. Any ideas? I don't think Dave's locator lights were all that expensive.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 26, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
Some years ago, I hunted with Dave Lusk (Southern Ohio). He had some tree stands marked with locator lights. The light had a remote. When you pressed the button the light flashed a couple of times. I don't know where he got them, but it was a nice touch. He could drop a hunter off a few hundred yards from the stand (on the other side of a field). I tried looking them up but can't find them. Any ideas? I don't think Dave's locator lights were all that expensive. That is where these Bluetooth markers shine. A hunter that has never been in a particular stand can activate a light and also track the marker right to the location on their phone. I see this as a great accessory for outfitters. |
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Post by davet on May 26, 2018 17:29:00 GMT -5
I dunno if those "trackable nocks" are legal in Pa.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 26, 2018 18:04:25 GMT -5
I dunno if those "trackable nocks" are legal in Pa. They are not. |
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Post by redarrow on May 26, 2018 20:08:08 GMT -5
I am shooting some arrow, broadhead, nock combinations now that cost $44 a pop. That's almost as much as I paid for the last dozen arrows bought for myself. Add about 5 for the broadhead and I have 9-10 beans in a lost or broken arrow. |
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Post by longbeard2372 on May 29, 2018 8:28:23 GMT -5
At $120 for three does it really make sense to buy them to find a $10 arrow? Some of the crap people come up with. My hunting arrows are costing me around $60 per arrow per shot, ready to shoot, and that is not figuring in my time to build and tune each one. Heck my broadheads are running $20 each. Then the arrow, fletchings, halfouts, lighted nock setup and my time and your over $60 a arrow. I may just spend the $40 for a trackable glow nock and just look at it as a insurance policy to recover my arrow. |
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Post by ridgecommander on May 29, 2018 8:56:34 GMT -5
I may just spend the $40 for a trackable glow nock and just look at it as a insurance policy to recover my arrow. Just remember they will not be legal in Pa. Pretty cool concept for sure. |
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Post by fleroo on May 29, 2018 10:10:43 GMT -5
At $120 for three does it really make sense to buy them to find a $10 arrow? Some of the crap people come up with. At $10 an arrow, probably not. At $35-45 an arrow, which is what many combinations are costing these days, it makes a lot of sense for people that do a lot of hunting. These are not for the weekend warriors that get in a dozen hunts a season hoping to take one deer. The location markers are very intriguing. Especially since you can share the device to someone else who can then track the marker to a specific stand. I don't see that as practical as an "arrow/broadhead recovery mechanism". After all, how many arrows are viable after hitting a deer, some bone, then a rock, or a stump ? LOL. I see that being practical as more of a deer recovery mechanism, IF IT WORKS AS PLANNED. Not legal in PA ? Where all do you hunt, and how many times out of state, to make that practical other than PA ? |
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Post by longbeard2372 on May 29, 2018 10:45:00 GMT -5
At $10 an arrow, probably not. At $35-45 an arrow, which is what many combinations are costing these days, it makes a lot of sense for people that do a lot of hunting. These are not for the weekend warriors that get in a dozen hunts a season hoping to take one deer. The location markers are very intriguing. Especially since you can share the device to someone else who can then track the marker to a specific stand. I don't see that as practical as an "arrow/broadhead recovery mechanism". After all, how many arrows are viable after hitting a deer, some bone, then a rock, or a stump ? LOL. I see that being practical as more of a deer recovery mechanism, IF IT WORKS AS PLANNED. Not legal in PA ? Where all do you hunt, and how many times out of state, to make that practical other than PA ? Fleroo with arrows I hunt with I had shot as many as 12 deer in a row with the same arrow until that 12th deer rolled and broke the shaft. I run a shaft that is a small diameter and has a aluminum core and carbon exterior. They run approximately $220 a dozen bare shafts , ready to build. I shoot a deer all I do is sharpen the blades or simply replace them and that arrow is ready to eat again. A pass through shot will either lay on the ground or borrow itself shallow. Rocks? You ask... Change the blades or points. 95% of the time the arrow is good to go. I think these Nick's would be nice when you don't get a pass through and the animal pulls out or loses the arrow on its way to it resting place. That is where I see it being worth it. So many times I have lost my setup this way. |
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Post by fleroo on May 29, 2018 11:15:41 GMT -5
So, these nocks can be used multiple times, on different arrows I assume ? How much is the Breadcrumb App that you need for the Smartphone ? And working up to 100 yards, so I assume no signal if out of the 100 yard range, which would only come into play if it's buried in a deer I reckon.
Here's the big thing for me. WHY is it illegal to use in PA ? I mean, if it's buried in a deer, that deer is wounded. Shouldn't we welcome any technological advances that would aid in the recovery of wounded game ? I see this akin to allowing leashed track dogs, at least in that regard. Am I missing anything as far as this being an advantage to hunt game prior to an animal being wounded ?
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Post by dougell on May 29, 2018 11:28:00 GMT -5
I've killed as many as five deer in one season with the same arrow and BH.In fact,I've done it several times.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 29, 2018 11:41:18 GMT -5
So, these nocks can be used multiple times, on different arrows I assume ? Yes. Batteries are replaceable. Free. The nocks were designed to assist arrow recovery. For them to be effective beyond 100 yards, it requires more technology than what can be packed into a tiny microprocessor that will fit into a arrow nock. I suspect that law enforcement would say they are not legal due to the Bluetooth tracking capability and the language also says tracking arrow "flight". Attachment Deleted |
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Post by longbeard2372 on May 29, 2018 12:52:09 GMT -5
Ridge I think the real reason it is not legal in PA is just one of those good old baffling bull blue laws this state refuses to do away with rather then stick with current times and technology.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 29, 2018 13:20:03 GMT -5
Ridge I think the real reason it is not legal in PA is just one of those good old baffling bull blue laws this state refuses to do away with rather then stick with current times and technology. No doubt Pa is slow to embrace change. Once I get some real world field experience with these nocks in a few weeks, I plan to ask the PGC to look at legalizing them. I don't see any downside to them being deemed legal. |
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Post by longbeard2372 on May 29, 2018 14:44:27 GMT -5
Me either Gene. But there is going someone who sees this as a hunters advantage or another poachers tool. Or maybe the farmers won't like it. I don't know but the simplest, most common sense types of things get looked over for a long time in this state. We are so damn backwards.
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Post by davet on May 29, 2018 15:31:46 GMT -5
I'll get that part!!  |
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Post by ridgecommander on May 29, 2018 15:49:00 GMT -5
Me either Gene. But there is going someone who sees this as a hunters advantage or another poachers tool. Or maybe the farmers won't like it.. Or it is whiners from the "me" generation that are never satisfied that are always feeling entitled to change. |
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Post by turkeykiller on May 29, 2018 16:01:52 GMT -5
could it fall under the "electronic devices" rule
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Post by ridgecommander on May 29, 2018 16:23:03 GMT -5
could it fall under the "electronic devices" rule It is an electronic device but not a permissible one based on the current language. |
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Post by longbeard2372 on May 29, 2018 16:41:36 GMT -5
Now if you are talking about a new fangled heart seeking broadheads WELL ... Then I can see there maybe a problem but it's a nock come-on !
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Post by turkeykiller on May 29, 2018 17:22:10 GMT -5
could it fall under the "electronic devices" rule It is am electronic device but not a permissible one based on the current language. I knew it was an electronic device, which is why I would think it illegal to use in the harvestun of game |
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