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Post by ridgecommander on May 29, 2018 17:28:36 GMT -5
It is am electronic device but not a permissible one based on the current language. I knew it was an electronic device, which is why I would think it illegal to use in the harvestun of game It is illegal under the current language.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 29, 2018 17:31:00 GMT -5
Now if you are talking about a new fangled heart seeking broadheads WELL ... Then I can see there maybe a problem but it's a nock come-on ! Agreed. The PGC operates under the premise that everything is illegal then peacemeals exceptions in. Every new piece of technology that comes down the pike needs to go through this whole archaic Pa process.
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Post by davet on May 29, 2018 17:41:35 GMT -5
Archaic??!! Why.....we are "cutting edge"!!!
A dull edge.....but none the less.....an edge.
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Post by cspot on May 29, 2018 20:05:13 GMT -5
I wish the PGC would take new products like this and have a place on their website that would say if they are legal or illegal to use. I have seen other states have something like that and it really helps when new products may be considered borderline either way. From my interpretation of the laws though I would say they are illegal in PA currently. As the technology increases the prices on this stuff will come down.
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Post by fleroo on May 30, 2018 6:22:58 GMT -5
I'm not a bow hunter, but knew that bows can get fairly pricey. I had no idea that the accoutrements, like arrows and broad-heads, were THAT expensive. That said, if I were an avid bow hunter, I think I'd purchase this, especially after hearing you can harvest double digit deer on the same arrow and broad-head. But, only if it could be used in PA. I doubt there are too many PA bow hunters, that hunt so many states, that would make this a practical purchase at that price.
What I can't grasp, is why the use of this technology, is considered illegal here in PA. It's not helping a hunter actually arrow an animal. It has the potential to help a hunter with the recovery. Isn't that a good thing ? And at a 100 yard limit, I doubt it would help in the majority of the recovery cases. STUPID to make this an illegal aid.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 30, 2018 6:28:11 GMT -5
The language needs to be amended to state for the purpose of tracking the flight of the arrow and/or locating the arrow after it leaves the bow. At least that is what I will propose to the commissioners. They do have a working group meeting coming up next week.
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Post by longbeard2372 on May 30, 2018 6:30:02 GMT -5
Fleroo they will probably say it will encourage unethical"hunters" to take bad shots in hopes of atleast making it difficult for the animal to go to far and this trackable nock would then allow the "hunters" to slowly track and stalk the wounded animal down to put the finishing shot on it. It's just the way people think in this state.
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Post by longbeard2372 on May 30, 2018 6:42:12 GMT -5
I'm not a bow hunter, but knew that bows can get fairly pricey. I had no idea that the accoutrements, like arrows and broad-heads, were THAT expensive. That said, if I were an avid bow hunter, I think I'd purchase this, especially after hearing you can harvest double digit deer on the same arrow and broad-head. Yes it does get pricey and that is why I have went from buying the mediocre equipment that you pretty much goes through a deer one time and is done for half the price to spending the extra money and buying really good stuff and saving in the long run. I have had the same dozen of arrows since 2012 and the ones I don't have from that dozen are either lost in my yard or in the woods laying unfound from a result of a pass through or being lost after the animal took off after being shot. And it's not like I don't shoot. I practice atleast 3 days a week and the 2 months before the season 6 days a week. Now you want to talk about high cost for archery equipment? Take a look at my 11 yr old daughter's target set up. She shoot competitively on Lancaster archerys traveling JOAD team. She shoots a compound and between her bow and all its accessories and then her two sets of indoor arrows, outdoor arrows and her 3 D arrows we have almost $5k wrapped up in her total setup. A lot ? Yes ! But she loves it and shoots a minimum of 100 arrows a day and she isn't glued to the TV or phone like most kids her age! It's worth every penny !
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Post by davet on May 30, 2018 6:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by ridgecommander on May 30, 2018 6:56:42 GMT -5
Take a look at my 11 yr old daughter's target set up. She shoot competitively on Lancaster archerys traveling JOAD team. She shoots a compound and between her bow and all its accessories and then her two sets of indoor arrows, outdoor arrows and her 3 D arrows we have almost $5k wrapped up in her total setup. A lot ? Yes ! But she loves it and shoots a minimum of 100 arrows a day and she isn't glued to the TV or phone like most kids her age! It's worth every penny ! Thats awesome!! Money well spent to get kids out of the house, their faces out of their devices, and out into the real world.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 30, 2018 6:57:53 GMT -5
Fleroo they will probably say it will encourage unethical"hunters" to take bad shots in hopes of atleast making it difficult for the animal to go to far and this trackable nock would then allow the "hunters" to slowly track and stalk the wounded animal down to put the finishing shot on it. It's just the way people think in this state. Yep. That will be the discussion. Everyone is a unethical hunter or poacher so our laws and regs must be biased towards them, not the majority of the good hunters in this state.
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Post by davet on May 30, 2018 7:03:38 GMT -5
There are always people out there who break the rules, ignore the rules, and do whatever it takes to get what they "want" or "need." They are called criminals.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 1, 2018 12:29:28 GMT -5
My Breadcrumb nocks showed up today. Gonna play with them over the weekend and see how they perform. The crossbow nocks are 40 grains which is somewhat heavier than a traditional lighted nock.
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Post by longbeard2372 on Jun 1, 2018 12:45:18 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear your findings Gene.
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Post by dougell on Jun 13, 2018 10:14:04 GMT -5
You can put a ton on money into and sport or activity.I buy qood quality hunting gear but I generally only buy it once and as things,evolved,I started making them as simple as possible.If it doesn't fit in my pockets,I don't take it.I never used lighted nocks or anything like that for myself and probably never will.I did put lighted nocks on my son's arrows last year because I didn't trust his judgment 100% on where he was telling me where he hit the deer,even though he always turned out to be right.Last year he shot a buck on the first wed.I couldn't see him or the deer when he shot it but I was close enough that I heard the thud.The deer came past me and I was pretty sure I saw a wound,pretty low and far back.We had deer all over us that night and it was pitch black before I climbed down and went over to his tree.He was certain that he hit the deer perfect but I could have swore that I saw an exit wound low and back.Fortunately,his lumenock was glowing in the ground so it was easy to find.As soon as we picked it up,it had light blood and with a coating of watery crap all over it.Even though he insisted the deer was hit perfect,the sign told us to back out which we did.Had we not found the aroow,I probably would have dismissed what I though I saw and went right after the deer.It's a good thing we didn't.I found that deer the next morning without a drop of blood.He did in fact hit it perfect but for some reason,the arrow deflected and exit way back and low.I feel that lighted nock probably ensured that we found that deer if the arrow wouldn't have been found without it,which is a big if.Useful?yes.Mandatory?No
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Post by redarrow on Jun 14, 2018 7:25:38 GMT -5
Slow inclusion of new technologies is probably a good thing. One thing that we know is that anything that can be used to make success more likely will be used by some whether it is sporting or not. Weren't there "hunters"caught tracking bears that were wearing radio collars?
A trackable knock, especially if it sayed with the animal on a pass-through, would make recovery of a poorly hit animal more likely and be a good thing for hunters and the game.
I would love to believe that there are no hunters that would take riskier shots if they knew that they could follow the animal by tracking device.
For guys like me, who still use an old flip phone, the debate makes no difference.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 25, 2018 9:02:00 GMT -5
Just to update those that may be interested. The Android compatibility is very glitchy. I ended up ditching trying to link them up to an Android device and used the wifes IPhone. The manufacturer has been working on fixing the Android issues. These nocks do weigh twice what a regular lighted nock weighs so that will affect front of center balance if that is important to you. I had one battery retainer clip fail but they shipped me new clips. Overall, when linked up to an IPhone, they worked well. I did see a bit less range than advertised as well.
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