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Post by willyp on Apr 7, 2018 5:16:41 GMT -5
I had been loading these for my Grandson . He knows nothing about loads or bullets. He just uses them and trust Pappy . Last season he took a doe with this load of 48 grains of IMR-4895 . He has taken a few deer with the load over the years but i did not like how the bullet performed this time on a deer ? I have decided to move him up to 150s but i am leaning towards 165 Game Kings or Hornady SPs. When i started him shooting the 06 he was 12 and not real tough !That was 8+ years ago ! This was why i loaded the 125s . He has grown into a 6 ft. 2 -247 pound mountain and is going to college . I think he will handle the bigger loads ? Only thing is now i have a bunch of boxes of 125s setting around !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 6:09:03 GMT -5
Pull the bullets, dump the powder, and load either 150 or 165 Sierra Game King boattails, Willy. You will find that they perform doggone well on deer sized game.
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Post by willyp on Apr 7, 2018 11:50:24 GMT -5
And that's a fact ! I have been using them for 30 + years ! I still have some in green card board boxes ! I had tried Hornady for a while but they seem to be a tougher bullet ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 13:51:28 GMT -5
When Hornady came out with a bullet they called the interbond, I tried them and found them to be really good. For some reason or another, they stopped selling them for awhile. They are producing them again now. The interbond is as good as the Nosler partition IMO. The thing is, for deer sized game you don't need a really tough bullet. Over the years, I have recovered several dozen bullets from harvested game. The Sierra Game Kings I have recovered from game have expanded nicely. Below are three bullets I recovered from game harvested. The one on the left was recovered from a whitetail buck taken at White Oak Plantation (Alabama) in 1994. It was a 180 grain Sierra Game King. What you see weighs 163 grains. The second bullet was a 117 grain Sierra Game King recovered from a whitetail buck taken at Deerfield Plantation (South Carolina) last Fall, 1917. The one on the right was a 180 grain Hornady Interbond recovered from an elk taken in Wyoming in 2006. I don't ask any more of a bullet than these three provided.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 14:30:57 GMT -5
I should have added the following. The two on the ends were shot from a .30-06. The one in the middle is from my .257 Roberts.
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Post by davet on Apr 7, 2018 14:35:29 GMT -5
All I've ever used in my .308 is 150gr bullets for deer. They work just dandy on a whitetail.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 16:44:05 GMT -5
I've had good results with 125's on deer. But you have to cut the velocity. I liked to run them between 2,700 and 2,900 fps.
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Post by freezer on Apr 8, 2018 6:05:57 GMT -5
I use SKG's exclusively for deer. They're cheap, they're accurate and they work. Is 4895 the only powder you tried? IIRC A friend used IMR-3031 for his reduced recoil loads with great results. BTW 125s would be great for ground hog.
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Post by davet on Apr 8, 2018 9:56:12 GMT -5
BTW 125s would be great for ground hog. Yeah that!! OTOH, depending upon where I go, I am fortunate enough to have 3 calibers for the hogs. My 6.5 Swede shooting a 140gr. Hornady ELD is great for those 500 to 800 yard shots. I have one farm I hunt where those distances are possible. Then I have a .223 for out to 300 or a bit more. And for those "tight" places, the .17 Hornet does a great job.....and if I miss and hit any rock.....the bullet shatters. Ricochet possibilities are minimal....or 99.9% unlikely.
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Post by rem700 on Apr 8, 2018 14:11:10 GMT -5
I have always used 150 grain remington core lokt bullets and they always worked well on deer!
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Post by Loggy on Apr 8, 2018 14:22:01 GMT -5
The years I carried an 06 I shot the 165 grain Core Lokt. They shot brest out of my Rem 700 and a 760 I owned.
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Post by dougell on Apr 9, 2018 7:40:02 GMT -5
I used 165 gr Sierra gamekings and 165gr Hornady interlocks for years out of a 30-06 and .308.They did well and I never lost a deer with them but the terminal performance was always too inconsistent for my taste.Years ago,I went to shooting bonded bullets like the Nosler accubond and performance was much better.My son started using a .308 when he was 9 and I loaded some 125gr accubonds down a little and they did very well.Two years ago,I started loaded 130gr Barnes ttsx with a pretty hot load of varget(48.5gr).He's killed a crap pile of deer with that load from 10 yards to 248 yards and terminal performance has been outstanding.They can be tricky to get to shoot good but if the rifle likes them,there's not much better than a ttsx.I want an exit wound every time and you get them with a Barnes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 15:20:41 GMT -5
I won't touch a TTSX. Too many guys have had pencil wounds that led to rodeos and even lost game.
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Post by dougell on Apr 9, 2018 16:04:19 GMT -5
I've seen about 16 deer die from them the last two years plus a few more the year before with an 80gr ttsx.One deer took about two hops and another one ran about 40 yards after being shot through the ribs.The rest all dropped like a concrete cloud.My kid shot a doe facing him this year at 188 yards.The deer folded and when I skinned it,the bullet was lodged under the hide near the tail.It looked like a textbook Barnes mushroom.That was the only TTSX that I ever recovered.I've been using the 150gr and he's been using the 130gr.
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Post by dougell on Apr 9, 2018 16:28:38 GMT -5
Attachment DeletedHere's an exit wound from a doe my son shot at 248 yards before school.The deer was standing on the edge of the woods when he shot it.The deer mule kicked and was out of sight with one bound.Not knowing how good the hit was,I took him school and went back around lunch time to see if I could find her.She was laying under a pine tree,not 10 yards from where he shot her.The exit wound was the size of a quarter,which is typical but the lungs were shredded.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 16:53:12 GMT -5
The knock on Barnes bullets since the very first solid copper ones came out has always been that they poke pencil holes and game gets lost. I have shot a bunch of game in Africa with the older Barnes X bullets and never lost one single animal. JMHO, but methinks that it matters more where you hit the critter than what bullet you are shooting, but I may be all wet. My buddy Larry swears by the Barnes triple shock bullets. What he hits with his .270 gets dead. Since what I hunt anymore is deer, I see no need to experiment with any other bullets than the Sierra Game King boattails, as I have loads that work for my go-to rifles. I have no experience with the newer Barnes bullets, but did experiment a bit with the older Barnes X bullets. I recovered one from a mule deer buck in 1999, and another from a whitetail buck in 2011. Both bullets hit behind the shoulder and got stopped on the opposite shoulder blade where I found them when butchering. Both animals were one shot kills.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 16:55:58 GMT -5
I will add the following on the Barnes X bullets. I think they work much better at high velocities. Most of the game I took with them was with bullets shot from my .300 Weatheby Mag. I did recover two 400 grain X bullets from a Cape buffalo. I have them and can take a photo if anyone is interested. If not, no harm, no foul.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 17:14:05 GMT -5
And they certainly wouldn't work for me. I don't like getting too much over 2,000 fps at the muzzle. But the neat thing about that is I don't need premium bullets of any kind.
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Post by dougell on Apr 10, 2018 8:31:51 GMT -5
Deer are relatively easy to kill and nobody "needs" a premium bullet.With a heavy slow bullet,there's certainly no need for one.When you step up the velocity,they make a difference.I like to tinker and I like consistency.By far the most consistency I've had with any bullets is with Nosler accubonds and Barnes ttsx's.A few years ago,I bought my son a matching .223 for his .308 so he could burn through a ton of ammo offhand during the summer without developing a flinch or costing me a bunch of money.When deer season rolled around,he wanted to see what it would do on deer.I loaded up a hot load with 55gr ttsx's.To date we've killed 5 deer with that load and all dropped in their tracks.I was actually pretty shocked at the results.I don't buy into the theory of dumping all the energy into a deer.I want an exit wound every time if possible and premium bullets give me that.The only issue with the ttsx's is that not all rifles like them.I have a custom .338 fed that I couldn't get them to shoot out of.Fortunately,it likes the 180gr accubonds so all is good.Every other rifle we use for deer gets the ttsx.A tssx will open up nicely at 2000 fps and even at much lower velocities.That's actually the beauty of them.They work well at a wide range of velocities,same with the accubond.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 15:35:28 GMT -5
Exit wounds on deer are pretty easy to get tho. It's no trouble getting even a 30-30 through a deer. I've put a 30-30 clear through a deer at 200 yards.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 10, 2018 15:45:14 GMT -5
150 grain bullets are great in an 06. You ain't shootin elk, just deer.
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Post by dougell on Apr 10, 2018 16:28:16 GMT -5
Exit wounds on deer are pretty easy to get tho. It's no trouble getting even a 30-30 through a deer. I've put a 30-30 clear through a deer at 200 yards. I've shot quite a few broadside deer with 165gr interlocks out of a .308 and never got an exit.I would get an exit more often than not but sometimes they over expand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:32:42 GMT -5
I normally got pass throughs with 150 grain .30-06 Core-Lokts and 180's always pass through. Keep in mind I keep my bullets out of the shoulder bones.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 7:26:53 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be easier and a lot more fun just to shoot them then reload? ??/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 9:37:13 GMT -5
Seemingly
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