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Post by trapperrick on Jul 29, 2017 12:18:30 GMT -5
According to this news report CWD was found in 2 wild deer in Elk County. This could spell doom for the elk herd. News report below. wjactv.com/news/local/game-commission-creates-new-position-with-hopes-of-combating-cwdHARRISBURG, PA - The Pennsylvania Game Commission today announced two free-ranging deer were euthanized on the evening of July 26 in Ridgway Township, Elk County. The deer were discovered about 20 miles north of Disease Management Area 3, within the Commonwealth’s Elk Management Area. Both deer had identification tags in their ears, indicating they were at one time part of a captive-deer herd. The Department of Agriculture manages deer farming operations in the Commonwealth. The Commission has launched an investigation and will work with the state Department of Agriculture to determine ownership of these deer and to ascertain whether they escaped a facility or were intentionally released into the wild. “The deer are currently being examined by the Commission’s wildlife veterinarian, who will conduct an initial test to determine whether either deer was infected with chronic wasting disease (CWD),” said Wayne Laroche, the Commission’s Special Assistant for CWD Response. The discovery of deer from a captive herd in the wild raises significant concerns as the Commission attempts to combat the expansion of CWD. “This is disturbing news following the discovery a CWD-positive wild deer earlier this month in DMA 3,” Laroche said. “With the Department of Agriculture’s assistance, we will do all in our power to sort out what happened quickly and take appropriate action.” If you have seen these deer in recent days, or know from where they might have originated, please contact the Game Commission’s Northcentral Office at 570-398-4744, or 570-398-4745. |
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Post by feathers on Jul 29, 2017 16:05:17 GMT -5
Not good if they were intentionally released ...but it's sad to see they were part one time of a captive-deer herd ...elk herd don't need that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 16:21:45 GMT -5
Maybe I mised it but, nowhere does it say the two deer shot have CWD.
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Post by 3212 on Jul 29, 2017 16:46:23 GMT -5
Yeah,the tests aren't done yet.I hope they are negative.However,this is another sorry example of the misregulation of deer farms.In some states they have to have a double fence around deer pens.If this crap continues and I think it will,I'll take my deer hunting "Down to Georgia" where I have an invitation.They ban importation of any deer and no canned hunts.
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Post by trapperrick on Jul 29, 2017 17:15:09 GMT -5
Maybe I mised it but, nowhere does it say the two deer shot have CWD. Yeah, that was my fault. I saw the report on WJAC news yesterday. I jumped to the conclusion before reading the actual report just like television news does. I was a victim of the media ratings game. |
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Post by trapperrick on Aug 1, 2017 3:16:20 GMT -5
Despite what WJAC said, CWD was not found in those deer. As Trump says, FAKE NEWS!
However, those deer were released from some game farm somewhere and the PGC is trying to find the culprit.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 1, 2017 4:55:48 GMT -5
Yeah,the tests aren't done yet.I hope they are negative.However,this is another sorry example of the misregulation of deer farms.In some states they have to have a double fence around deer pens.If this crap continues and I think it will,I'll take my deer hunting "Down to Georgia" where I have an invitation.They ban importation of any deer and no canned hunts. Deer farms are big business in this state, but I agree, they should not exist. |
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Post by turkeykiller on Aug 1, 2017 7:56:53 GMT -5
I believe the deer farms played a role in the advance of CWD. However, I feel the PGC and some on here are tryin to lay out a case against the Dept. of Arg. to make them the sole scapegoat for CWD occurin in Pa. It is easy to test deer from within fences or because they have an ear mark, but there is no way to check all the deer in the wild. CWD is here, nobody knows for positive how it got here, tryin to lay all the blame on one agency is passin the buck. (pun intended). How can one truly say that if PGC was still in control of deer farms, the disease would not be here?
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Post by dougell on Aug 1, 2017 9:21:41 GMT -5
I disagree TK.The infected deer they killed in Clearfield county was hundreds of miles away from where any other deer have been found with cwd in the wild.There are several captive herds very close to where this deer was killed and two of these farms had infected deer.It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out how it got into the wild herd.I'll put a $1k bet that some of these farms released infected deer.I'm positive of it.That area has a very large Amish community and many of them raise deer as do a few of the English.The Amish community is very close knit and they trade deer back and forth with each other.One of those farms where confirmed to have cwd.I'll lay you money on it that they panicked and started letting infected deer loose.This is a major problem and a very large areas with excellent hunting and about 20k acres of public land will have the deer all but eliminated.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 1, 2017 9:53:27 GMT -5
The Amish community is very close knit and they trade deer back and forth with each other.One of those farms where confirmed to have cwd.I'll lay you money on it that they panicked and started letting infected deer loose. How would they know a deer is positive for CWD? Once a deer shows symptoms, death is close. What do you base this on? CWD has long been established in many hunter destination areas of this country and hunters still flock there to hunt the strong populations of cervids. |
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Post by 3212 on Aug 1, 2017 10:15:04 GMT -5
Check the facts on the ground in the deer herd in some areas of Colorado.A long term decline is occurring in endemic areas.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 1, 2017 10:33:26 GMT -5
Check the facts on the ground in the deer herd in some areas of Colorado.A long term decline is occurring in endemic areas. Pa turkeys have been in decline as well. Disease, habitat, natural cycles? Colorado has the highest elk population in the country. |
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Post by dougell on Aug 1, 2017 12:20:51 GMT -5
The Amish community is very close knit and they trade deer back and forth with each other.One of those farms where confirmed to have cwd.I'll lay you money on it that they panicked and started letting infected deer loose. How would they know a deer is positive for CWD? Once a deer shows symptoms, death is close. What do you base this on? CWD has long been established in many hunter destination areas of this country and hunters still flock there to hunt the strong populations of cervids. Two deer farms up here had deer test positive for CWD about a year ago.One was as a shooting preserve called Rathmel run.The deer was in an enclosure inside the fenced in area.The other deer tested was at an Amish farm.They were both confirmed and the area was degignated CWD area.This is in my backyard Gene so I have pretty good first hand information on where they think this deer came from. |
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Post by dougell on Aug 1, 2017 12:26:47 GMT -5
What do you base this on? CWD has long been established in many hunter destination areas of this country and hunters still flock there to hunt the strong populations of cervids.
I'm basing this on the fact that they just issued 2800 DMAP TAGS FOR THIS AREA and they're planning on bringing sharp shooters in to eliminate the rest.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 1, 2017 12:40:39 GMT -5
This is in my backyard Gene so I have pretty good first hand information on where they think this deer came from. I am not disputing that you believe that the Amish may have released deer. I simply asked how would you or they know the deer that were released were positive for CWD? |
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 1, 2017 12:42:03 GMT -5
What do you base this on? CWD has long been established in many hunter destination areas of this country and hunters still flock there to hunt the strong populations of cervids. I'm basing this on the fact that they just issued 2800 DMAP TAGS FOR THIS AREA and they're planning on bringing sharp shooters in to eliminate the rest. Okay. So you were saying that the PGC will drastically reduce deer numbers, not the disease itself. I thought you were implying the disease would eliminate deer from the area. |
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Post by dougell on Aug 1, 2017 12:56:03 GMT -5
I don't know what you're getting at Gene.I don't claim to be a smart guy or an expert on CWD.I don't know what the correct action plan should be once they find CWD in the wild.All I know is that the PGC plans on pretty much nuking the entire area.In my opinion,they should have cracked down on the stupid and risky practice of letting people raise deer.I know you're going to say that there's a one ten million chance that a deer sniffed a prion that been there for 100 years,I disagree.There's a far more likely chance that one of the numerous deer farms in the area,panicked when CWD was discovered and they started letting deer go.Captive deer farms caused this problem.
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Post by 3212 on Aug 1, 2017 12:57:15 GMT -5
Sharpshooters are a short term reduction of the herd to forestall the slower long term reduction from disease.Either way the herd is reduced over time.
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Post by dougell on Aug 1, 2017 13:01:22 GMT -5
There's a lot of people,mostly Amish raising deer in this specific area.I'll try to get the exact number of deer farms but I bet there's easily over a dozen in a pretty small area.It wouldn't surprise me if there's more than double or triple that amount because most can't be seen from the roads.There were in fact deer that tested positive for CWD and these people trade them back and forth all the time.I doubt the deer that the WCO killed was a released deer but I'm 100% positive that it contracted the disease from a deer that was once captive.A bunch more will show up with CWD,mark my words.
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Post by dougell on Aug 1, 2017 13:06:53 GMT -5
Sharpshooters are a short term reduction of the herd to forestall the slower long term reduction from disease.Either way the herd is reduced over time. I'm sitting right next to SGL 77 on the southern end of I80.The CWD deer they killed was a good 25-30 minute drive,south of here.The disease mgt area where these 2800 DMAP TAGS ARE GOOD FOR GO RIGHT UP TO I80.It's a big area.I hate to speculate but they seemed to have gone north with their eradication efforts.There really are no elk south of I80 but there's a small but persistant band that travels right down to the westbound lane of I80,on the north side.I'm thinking they want to try and keep it south of i80 so the elk aren't impacted.Just speculation on my part. |
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Post by turkeykiller on Aug 1, 2017 14:58:04 GMT -5
Heaven forbid it, but if CWD makes it to the elk herd, will they only shoot the cows (like raisin doe tags) and save the bulls for the big cash raisin auctions and drawin's.
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Post by 3212 on Aug 1, 2017 16:53:22 GMT -5
Sharpshooters are a short term reduction of the herd to forestall the slower long term reduction from disease.Either way the herd is reduced over time. I'm sitting right next to SGL 77 on the southern end of I80.The CWD deer they killed was a good 25-30 minute drive,south of here.The disease mgt area where these 2800 DMAP TAGS ARE GOOD FOR GO RIGHT UP TO I80.It's a big area.I hate to speculate but they seemed to have gone north with their eradication efforts.There really are no elk south of I80 but there's a small but persistant band that travels right down to the westbound lane of I80,on the north side.I'm thinking they want to try and keep it south of i80 so the elk aren't impacted.Just speculation on my part. Sounds like they want to create a low population zone between the deer and elk.They will have to make it a long term effort if the nearby deer herd is large. |
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Post by turkeykiller on Aug 2, 2017 6:15:47 GMT -5
According to an article in the latest edition of PON, PGC spokesman Travis Lau stated that despite the rumors, the buck shot on GL 87 did not have a hole in the ear and there is no evidence that it was an escape from a deer farm. The commission does not believe the buck walked from Disease Management Area 2 to Disease Management Area 3. PGC wildlife veterinarian Justin Brown stated the buck was already exhibiting "clinical" signs of the disease when killed. This means the buck had been sick and shedding infectious prions for a while.
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Post by dougell on Aug 2, 2017 7:47:22 GMT -5
Again,I'm not saying that particular deer escaped or was released from a farm.I'm saying that deer have been released and that deer most likely contracted the disease from one of them.That would also mean that there's most likely several more with CWD.
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Post by turkeykiller on Aug 2, 2017 10:18:50 GMT -5
From what I have read about CWD, it takes 3 to 5 yrs. before the symptoms are visible. If that is true, this buck has been spreadin the disease a long time. With that in mind, you have to wonder why the PGC thinks they can slow the spread by issuing extra anterless tags only, and not eliminating AR in the Disease Management areas.
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