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Post by willyp on Mar 7, 2017 12:15:37 GMT -5
Which brand of 243 /100 gr. bullet do you think would be toughest and hold together better for deer hunting? I am talking regular bullets Interlock or GameKings or Hot cores.
I know all the talks about Premium .bullets but have no interest in them or Barnes.
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Post by dougell on Mar 7, 2017 12:19:47 GMT -5
Interlock and game kings both lose their cores on a regular basis if pushed just a little.Hot cores would probably do better.I never used them in a .243 but I doubt they would be any more fragile than the other two.
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Post by Muab Dib on Mar 7, 2017 13:23:47 GMT -5
I've used both Sierra 100 gr. Spitzers (GameKing - no boatail) and Nosler 100 gr. Partitions in my 243 Remington 600 with an 18" bbl. Never could tell the difference in shooting deer at woods ranges. In fact, with the exception of one buck shot with a .270 Win. and Winchester factory 130 gr. Silver Tips, the quickest/deadest deer I've ever killed with any caliber have been with the .243 Winchester and 100 gr. Sierra GameKings (Range 75 yds. or less) - Don't know why, it's just the way it is. Go with the Sierra GameKings and I doubt you'll be disappointed.
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Post by turkeykiller on Mar 7, 2017 13:57:15 GMT -5
I've been usin 120gr Game Kings in my .25-06 for 20 yrs. never had a problem.
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Post by dougell on Mar 7, 2017 14:25:42 GMT -5
I know Willy doesn't want to hear about premium bullets but I shoot nothing at deer but barnes ttsx and Nosler accubonds.I only ever lost one deer and one bear to bullet failure but I've experienced very inconsistent results with non-premium bullets.I want an exit wound every time and from any angle.I'm in the process of having a .338 federal made right now and just got a box of 185gr ttsx and a box of 180gr accubonds in the mail yesterday.As soon as the dies come,I'll resize some brass and get ready to work up some loads.I have little doubt that a 200gr cup and core would do fine at those velocities but hate to skimp on ammo.Those ttsx bullets make the light calibers really shine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 16:29:45 GMT -5
It always amazes me how some folks will spend whatever it takes to buy a rifle to hunt with, a nice chunk of change on a hunting trip, and then save money by using the cheapest ammo they can find. I like Nosler partitions and Speer grand slam bullets, but they are at the low end of what I load for my rifles that I use for big game. I don't include deer in this. I have killed well over forty deer with my .257 Roberts using handloaded 117 grain Sierra boattail game kings. The vast majority were one-shot kills, and every one of them was taken on a standing still or very slowly walking deer. Bears are a bit tougher. Use a tougher bullet for a tougher animal. I have taken most of the big game animals available in North America, a bunch in Africa, and some in New Zealand. For anything elk sized or larger I use a premium bullet. Usually on a big game trip I load swift A-frames or trophy bonded. Haven't tried the barnes tsx, but my buddy Larry swears by them. Cheap bullets are for target practice. By the way, I have a box of handloads for my .30-06 using the 180 grain nosler accubond bullet. I'm anxious to try them.
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Post by dougell on Mar 8, 2017 10:02:45 GMT -5
It always amazes me how some folks will spend whatever it takes to buy a rifle to hunt with, a nice chunk of change on a hunting trip, and then save money by using the cheapest ammo they can find. I like Nosler partitions and Speer grand slam bullets, but they are at the low end of what I load for my rifles that I use for big game. I don't include deer in this. I have killed well over forty deer with my .257 Roberts using handloaded 117 grain Sierra boattail game kings. The vast majority were one-shot kills, and every one of them was taken on a standing still or very slowly walking deer. Bears are a bit tougher. Use a tougher bullet for a tougher animal. I have taken most of the big game animals available in North America, a bunch in Africa, and some in New Zealand. For anything elk sized or larger I use a premium bullet. Usually on a big game trip I load swift A-frames or trophy bonded. Haven't tried the barnes tsx, but my buddy Larry swears by them. Cheap bullets are for target practice. By the way, I have a box of handloads for my .30-06 using the 180 grain nosler accubond bullet. I'm anxious to try them. I use 180gr accubonds in my .300wsm and the terminal performance has been perfect.I also use the 165gr accubonds in a .308 with equally impressive performance.I started using TTSX a few years ago in a .243,.223 and my son's .308.I load the 130gr TTSX for him with a pretty hot load of varget.I was cautioned that they wouldn't open as well but they've performed flawlessly.I just worked up a load with the 150's in my .308 and I suspect I won't be disappointed.Like I said before,I want an exit wound every time and the TTSX's will give you that.the 130's in the .308 have really impressed me.Very moderate recoil and they drop deer like flaws. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 8, 2017 14:21:14 GMT -5
I've used GameKings pretty much all my life. They work.
That said, the buck I shot this year, I could not find the entry wound, and there seemed to be no exit wound either.
Maybe I scared it to death?
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Post by bushmaster on Mar 8, 2017 15:09:47 GMT -5
I load Sierra boattail gamekings for all calipers. They work great.
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Post by Muab Dib on Mar 8, 2017 15:18:59 GMT -5
I've used GameKings pretty much all my life. They work. That said, the buck I shot this year, I could not find the entry wound, and there seemed to be no exit wound either. Maybe I scared it to death? We're 'ya wearing shorts Dutch? ....just ask'n....  Muab |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 15:26:04 GMT -5
Deer are not all that hard to kill if one makes a good shot. A ton of deer have been killed with .243 Winchester and even smaller calibers. Most of mine in the past twenty years or so have been killed with my .257 Roberts using 117 grain Sierra boattails. When it comes to elk or larger animals, I will always prefer a higher quality and tougher constructed bullet in a more powerful chambering, but Sierra Game King boattails work very well on deer. They are accurate too.
I will say this in addition. For a really powerful chambering such as .300 magnum of any type, you really do need a better bullet. I have a bunch of them that I have collected from dead game, photo attached in next two posts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 15:35:13 GMT -5
All of these bullets were shot from my .300 Weatherby, except for the two extreme left which came out of my .415 Remington Magnum.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 15:37:21 GMT -5
Hornady used to make a bullet they called the "interbond." I liked that bullet and have used it on several big game animals with excellent results. This is the only one I ever recovered.  |
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Post by turkeykiller on Mar 8, 2017 19:26:29 GMT -5
For larger game, I shoot 160 gr. Nosler Partitions in my 7mm Mag. Dropped 2 elk with em, but haven't had a shot at a bear yey
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:12:31 GMT -5
I'm a big Interlock fan.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 8, 2017 21:07:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 6:36:03 GMT -5
This is like comparing the 270 to the 30-06. That's so yesterday. Now it's the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .308. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 9, 2017 6:47:48 GMT -5
Creedmoor! |
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Post by Muab Dib on Mar 9, 2017 7:28:01 GMT -5
Then there's "old school". 300 Savage/30 cal. 150 gr. Remington Corelokt taken from a small South Mountain whitetail. Frontal shot, bullet found in the right hind quarter... My go to bullet for PA deer in 30 caliber rifles. They never fail us.  Muab |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 7:31:00 GMT -5
This is like comparing the 270 to the 30-06. Perhaps, but whether you like the .270 or .30-06 better, they both perform best with premium bullets on large game. I prefer the old ought six and my buddies Larry and Dave like the .270 better. Larry handloads the TTSX Barnes bullets and thinks they are the best thing since sliced bread. Dave uses Remington core-loct factory loads. If I use the ought six, I like handloads using Nosler partitions. For deer sized game it makes little difference. Both calibers are more powerful than necessary to kill a deer. The important question is how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? |
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Post by davet on Mar 9, 2017 11:24:35 GMT -5
This is like comparing the 270 to the 30-06. That's so yesterday. Now it's the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .308. Creedmore is just the "new and sexy" version of what we have already had for 100 years in the Swede. Oh...and then Rem updated it in a short action 260. Same duck....different name. Just "ran the numbers" on the ballistic program at Hornady's web site. Both bullets shot at an MV of 2900fps and the downrange energy is as follows: 140gr 6.5 SST: 200yds 2,305 300yds 2,162 150gr .308 SST: 200yds 2,391 300yds 2,204 The .308 has a few ft\lbs more but it's hardly significant enough to make me want to switch considering the felt recoil of the 308 vs the 6.5. OTOH for my short rifle deer season, I take my first rifle that I ever purchased. The Winchester Model 88......in .308. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 20:34:21 GMT -5
The Creedmoor is a more efficient cartridge than the other 6.5's and it's twisted faster. Guys are doing great things at 1,000 yardswith the Creedmoor. The .260 and 6.5 Swede shooters aren't doing this stuff because they aren't the right setup to launch a 143 ELDX. The Creedmoor is.
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