To use or Not to use?

[melody]

The problem with urine, is you have no idea where it originated. Some farms bottle and sell their own brands, but most sell to larger companies, who in return many bottle with their own brand name, or even sell to other companies who bottle and sell to other companies. So by the time it hits the retail shelves, its anybody's guess where it originated from.

If we have live deer being moved from farm to farm without the proper traceback papers, you know for darn sure you won't be able to traceback where a pint of urine is coming from.

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Add me to that list. The risk is just too great to chance using them.

[Dutch]

I find it interesting that in New York, when CWD was found, iit was dealt with immediately and it was taken seriously. No additional outbreaks were found.

I predict that here in PA due to how it's being handled, we will have it spread rapidly and to all corners of the state. We will be the poster child of how NOT to address CWD.

Nice distinction, eh?

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It isn't being handled, it is being mishandled by an agency that could care less about wild deer.

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I agree that natural social conduct puts deer in contact just as much as a food plot. Actually, in nature, when late winter food sources are small deer will be "more" concentrated in those dwindling food sources than if there are a few dozen food plots for them to visit.

My problem with deer urine lures is that in is "introduced" into the wild. We know that commercial operations are high risk for CWD.
Why, in the overall scheme of things, take a chance by using something that really isn't necessary for the purpose of hunting.

And "yes" I vote for using ones own urine. I've done that for 20 years already with 'as good" results of commercial urine.
(Lot cheaper too)

[galthatfishes]

And Deer farming is only a $50 million per year industry (at most in PA); whereas, HUNTING is a 1.2 BILLION dollar industry in PA.

From what I can gather, Ag is USING the PGC for its financial resources. I'm told that by January, the PGC will have spent 500,000. Wonder how relatvely small ag's outlay for all of this is?

Why are hunters being saddled with extrodinary expenses when some claim deer farming is such a BIG business? Why shouldn't big business clean up their own messes? Since when did the Game fund become the "Super-fund" for CWD?

Environmental spills are the responsibility of the company that created it. This biological threat to our wild herd should be the same. It should fall squarely on the backs of the deer farmers.

[dennyf]

I'll have the lab at camp, so maybe he can help?

First thing he does when we get there, is run around and mark until his bladder runs dry. And some of the deer out back at home think he's one of their buddies.

When he's out at the end of his cable, some like to head right for him.



No need for urine-based attractants in my humble opinion. Not part of my deer hunting experience.

Trying to figure out where they're likely to be on a given day and poppin' one if it comes by, has worked pretty well over the past 40 years that I've been killing 'em on a regular basis.

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Good post Kathy.

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Nov 22, 2012 12:22:58 GMT -5 galthatfishes said:

And Deer farming is only a $50 million per year industry (at most in PA); whereas, HUNTING is a 1.2 BILLION dollar industry in PA.

From what I can gather, Ag is USING the PGC for its financial resources. I'm told that by January, the PGC will have spent 500,000. Wonder how relatvely small ag's outlay for all of this is?

Why are hunters being saddled with extrodinary expenses when some claim deer farming is such a BIG business? Why shouldn't big business clean up their own messes? Since when did the Game fund become the "Super-fund" for CWD?

Environmental spills are the responsibility of the company that created it. This biological threat to our wild herd should be the same. It should fall squarely on the backs of the deer farmers.

agreed

[ridgecommander]

Nov 22, 2012 12:05:24 GMT -5 Dutch said:

I find it interesting that in New York, when CWD was found, iit was dealt with immediately and it was taken seriously. No additional outbreaks were found.

I predict that here in PA due to how it's being handled, we will have it spread rapidly and to all corners of the state. We will be the poster child of how NOT to address CWD.

Nice distinction, eh?

I hope not. Carl Roe was emphatic that Pa. was not going to follow the lead of other states because their plans have not worked for the most part. But, with the PGC not having primary control here in Pa, who knows how things will turn out.

[ridgecommander]

Nov 22, 2012 12:22:58 GMT -5 galthatfishes said:

Why are hunters being saddled with extrodinary expenses when some claim deer farming is such a BIG business? Why shouldn't big business clean up their own messes? Since when did the Game fund become the "Super-fund" for CWD?

Environmental spills are the responsibility of the company that created it. This biological threat to our wild herd should be the same. It should fall squarely on the backs of the deer farmers.

I would agree. It is up to AG and the deer farming industry to clean it up and prevent further occurances. I just wish hunters and the hunting industry were not being targeted because of ineptitude of AG and poor compliance with protocols that are meant to prevent this from occuring.