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Post by redarrow on Jan 6, 2015 16:13:21 GMT -5
The thread about hinge cuts and getting rid of birch and beech brush prompted this post. I have been fighting to control wild grape on in a couple areas on my property. Ive been cutting and using round up for a few years and it is a slow process and it's effect has been limited.
Do any of you know of the best way to do this?
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Post by Dutch on Jan 7, 2015 22:26:46 GMT -5
You are squirting RU on the fresh cut grapevines, right?
It is time consuming.
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Post by bake545 on Jan 7, 2015 22:31:34 GMT -5
Simply cutting them has always worked for me. The deer take care of any sprouts.
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Post by redarrow on Jan 8, 2015 5:39:29 GMT -5
I cut through the vine(some more than 6" in diameter) and spray the "stump". I also spray the foliage where it is low because it has pulled down the trees it had covered. And I do mix the RU strong, between poison Ivy, tartarian honeysuckle and the grape, I use many gallons a year. It has worked well on the poison ivy and bush honey suckle.
The sprouts have not been browsed by any measurable amount in ten years or so. Same goes for the local green brier and the deer used to eat alot of that stuff.There are much fewer deer in the area than there were before HR--ya I know, deer numbers are still too high everywhere in the state smileys-whistling-823718
Many times several sprouts from the stump and about as big around as my little finger will reach the canopy in a year or two. I hack these off with a machete.
Progress is slow and I stay after it just about year 'round usually carrying loping sheers with me on most of my walks around the place. Fall and spring I spend time with a saw and sprayer.
BTW, when you cut through a vine in the spring time, water runs from it like a garden hose running at about half pressure.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 8, 2015 6:17:36 GMT -5
In the spring, the sap actually pushes the Roundup out of the cut.
Best to wait until total leaf out.
When I cut, I use the RU straight. Just a squirt or 2 from a trigger sprayer. Or use a paintbrush and brush it on the stump. It does have to be done within minutes to be effective.
You can also use a machete to hack into bark, on a downward angle, and squirt RU in the cut.
A cordless drill can also be used by drilling into a tree, then squirt RU in the holes.
My brother used to do rattlesnake habitat work. He used the drill and squirt on a huge oak tree once, with only 3 drilled holes, the oak was dead 3 weeks later. Left a lot of sun in the next year.
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Post by redarrow on Jan 8, 2015 6:31:15 GMT -5
Dutch, did he mix the RU strong, or did he use something stronger-like 2-4D.
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Post by bake545 on Jan 8, 2015 7:56:40 GMT -5
Tordon RTU works great sprayed on a fresh cut stump. Have used it mostly on tree of heaven and it kills it dead.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 8, 2015 11:38:24 GMT -5
Dutch, did he mix the RU strong, or did he use something stronger-like 2-4D. I don't mess around, I use 41% Glyphosate, straight. Its thick and tends to hold onto the wood rather than run off. They used to mix it 50/50 with diesel, IIRC. The Tordon, can be sprayed on the base of most trees and it kills it. Somethign tells me there are certain times of the year you can't, Bake? |
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Post by bake545 on Jan 8, 2015 11:58:37 GMT -5
I don't think Tordon is a basil spray but I could be wrong. My memory is a little hazy at this point on the spray stuff. Only time of year I wouldn't use it would be spring when the sap is flowing.
Only downside to Tordon I remember is that it can spread to other nearby trees if their roots are entangled and leaves residual in the soil unlike Gly. I didn't really have any issue with though.
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Post by dougell on Jan 8, 2015 12:55:54 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity,why do you want to thin out the grapevines?Grapevine are a magnet for deer,turkeys grouse and squirrels.
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Post by bake545 on Jan 8, 2015 14:11:34 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity,why do you want to thin out the grapevines?Grapevine are a magnet for deer,turkeys grouse and squirrels. I've always regretted cutting as many grapevines as we did. I have no problem cutting them off of good trees but I won't cut anymore off of crappy trees. I know some people say they take over but I've never seen that where I hunt. We cut ours as part of a forestry plan and foresters hate grapevines in my experience. Forestors are great for maximizing timber but they don't always have wildlife and game in mind when they make recommendations. |
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Post by Dutch on Jan 8, 2015 14:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by fleroo on Jan 16, 2015 15:33:23 GMT -5
Regarding grapevines, I ONLY cut the vines away from valued trees, both monetary and wildlife. Fruit trees, nut trees, Cherry's and Hard Maples, etc...all get released. The rest, I keep the vines as they are quite beneficial. PLUS, I'm gonna need them if Tarzan ever swings (pun intended) by.  |
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Post by redarrow on Jan 16, 2015 17:58:15 GMT -5
One of the patches has at least a couple acres of everything pulled down. I have cut paths through it which quickly fill in with tangles and blackberry. I just have pretty much let this go and try to keep the perimeter trimmed up. I am going to plant some apple and, hopefully, sawtooth oaks in tubes in a couple small areas that I trim up.
BTW this small patch of cover nearly always has deer bedded in it, so I am not looking to do much with it.
I just would like to find a way to keep them contained. Anywhere the cut vines touch, or go under the ground, several tendrils grow and climb anything they can latch on to. This plant is amazing in speed of growth.
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