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Post by TN45 on Sept 18, 2014 13:13:09 GMT -5
Three old cartridges, what caliber are they? Two center fire and one rim.
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Post by Dutch on Sept 18, 2014 16:21:56 GMT -5
I don't know what the one on the left is, but I sure wouldn't want to be hit by that piece of lead!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 20:14:07 GMT -5
What caliber are they? Which one is the rimfire.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 20:17:36 GMT -5
You have to tell us the caliber. We can't tell you. Without the caliber we can't tell you the cartridge. Is the one on the left .50 caliber?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 20:28:06 GMT -5
Without knowing the calibers I'm guessing .50-70 on the left and .43 Spanish on the right. Now if one appears to be a rimfire it might instead be an internally primed centerfire. A rimfire will have an "H" stamp. The center one reminds me of a .450 Martini Henry.
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Post by TN45 on Sept 18, 2014 21:44:31 GMT -5
Without knowing the calibers I'm guessing .50-70 on the left and .43 Spanish on the right. Now if one appears to be a rimfire it might instead be an internally primed centerfire. A rimfire will have an "H" stamp. The center one reminds me of a .450 Martini Henry. Good guess Moosemike not correct but close. The first is a .58 U.S. Berdan Musket #2 is the rim fire with an H on the bottom a 41 Swiss Veterli #3 is a 11x52 R aka Dutch Beaumont. Thanks for taking the quiz. |
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Post by Dutch on Sept 18, 2014 21:48:43 GMT -5
Would be interesting to know when such things were used.
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Post by TN45 on Sept 18, 2014 22:02:36 GMT -5
Would be interesting to know when such things were used. That would be interesting I need to look into it. Found these a while back in a bulk box of odd calibers. A lot of odd ball ammo was made at one time or other. I'll have to work up another quiz. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 10:25:18 GMT -5
I missed the whole "quiz" part. I thought you were trying to figure them out. Stupid me!
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Sept 25, 2014 7:16:46 GMT -5
The 58 Berdan was a very short lived cartridge at the close of the Civil war. The government considered it as a cartridge to use in muskets that had been converted to cartridge guns. In fact Hiram Berdan who organized the units of sharpshooters for the war, patented a breech loading conversion that incorporated a breech block that swung up and forward. The government adopted the trapdoor action without paying him royalties. The infringement case was settled in the 1880's.
The government ordered 1100 rolling blocks in 58 Berdan, some made at the Springfield armory and stamped with the US eagle. They were sold off as surplus and many were never fired. The rifles are still floating around in good shooting condition, partially because it is such a pain to make brass for.
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Sept 25, 2014 7:31:52 GMT -5
The 41 Swiss was an early swiss military cartridge for the Vetterli bolt action rifle. It had a tube magazine under the barrel and a cartridge carrier similar to the winchester lever action. The bolt had a firing pin on both sides of the action to strike the rim on opposite sides at the same time. The cartridge was also available in center fire and is still reloaded in the centerfire.
The rim fire guns can be easily cconverted by changing the bolt head configuration. Conversion bolts are sometimes for sale by small machinist companies.
The rim fire cartridge is no slouch and ballistic ally is just short of the 30-30.
About 30 years ago, I would buy the rifles at yard sales and gun shows and sell them to a Swiss fellow who came to the us once a year to buy them and ship them back to Switzerland.
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Post by Dutch on Sept 25, 2014 10:57:19 GMT -5
WOW Zimm, great stuff! Thanks!
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