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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 21:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 27, 2024 4:13:29 GMT -5
Tons of Lazy Americans to go around. I know a few myself.
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Post by davet on Apr 27, 2024 6:05:14 GMT -5
OTOH....I know many who are very focused and driven.
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Post by rusty on Apr 27, 2024 11:44:42 GMT -5
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, productivity increased 2.7 percent in 2023. Over the past two quarters, it has been growing at more than double the rate from 2005 to 2019. Productivity is usually measured as a simple ratio: the total amount of output an economy produces per hour worked by its labor force.
Every generation has had it share of bums and deadbeats. My sons are all in their twenties and they all have a few friends who are lazy and look for excuses as to why they can get a decent direction going for themselves. But most of their friends are doing pretty well for themselves making from mid 50K to over 150K doing anything from driving truck and mining coal to working in medicine. My oldest sons fiancé is a an MD.-These kids are not lazy.
And just like in my time, some of their friends are foolish with their income while other are investing and have their own homes. One former student of mine was proud to show me the diesel pickup he bought that stickered at more than 90,000K. -He lives with mom and dad.
I don't think we more experienced Americans(Old farts) have much room to complain about the younger generations. They don't seem too much different than the guys I grew up with.
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Post by dougl on Apr 30, 2024 11:43:06 GMT -5
My son got a job with Owens Illinois several months ago.it's a union glass plant with good pay,good benefits and a good retiremnt.Not long ago it was very hard to get into because nobody left.At 18,he can't believe how lazy people are,how little they care about the quality of their work and how often they call off.He basically has unlimited overtime because of the call offs.When they do hire,they usually hire about a dozen at a time because they know half won't make it two weeks.I do know quite a few young people who work hard but the work ethic in general has gone down the tubes and that's a fact.It's gotten to the point that if you're a guy,all you have to do is show up every day and do what your told.If you do that,you can excel because most people don't.
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Post by moosemike on Apr 30, 2024 15:02:58 GMT -5
My Son is a Manager for Volvo which is a Union shop (UAW) of course. Man does he have stories. He has to politely ask workers to produce more and they tell him just how much more they're willing to do
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Post by fleroo on May 1, 2024 6:32:44 GMT -5
My FIL spent 45 years in a General Motors assembly plant. He worked on the line. He was a top earner in the place, because he would put in the extra work doing "piecemeal" work, which they would pay X amount over salary per piece.
Of course my FIL would also be 94 if he were alive today. Not all kids are work-ethicless today. But comparatively to former generations, most are.
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Post by bushmaster on May 1, 2024 6:43:02 GMT -5
When I first started landscaping I was making $3,50 an hour and worked like a dog. That was many moons ago. I can't find laborers for $25 an hour to start now. It's hard work and seasonal.
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Post by davet on May 1, 2024 6:50:21 GMT -5
When I first started landscaping I was making $3,50 an hour and worked like a dog. That was many moons ago. I can't find laborers for $25 an hour to start now. It's hard work and seasonal. You were making $3,500 an hour!!! You left because you couldn't stand the idea of making a whole bunch of money.......  |
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Post by moosemike on May 1, 2024 6:54:58 GMT -5
I'd still be in landscaping if I could make $25 an hour
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Post by fleroo on May 1, 2024 7:47:35 GMT -5
Landscaping is indeed very hard work. It gets a bit, dare I say, "easier" the more mechanical equipment you can get close in to the work. Though not always feasible. Hydraulics is a wonderful thing.  |
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Post by Dutch on May 1, 2024 8:55:46 GMT -5
One thing about physical labor is that it generally beats up your body. When you hit your 50s, it starts to take a toll. Everyone is different, but, in your 60s, you may be forced to retire.
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Post by moosemike on May 1, 2024 10:11:22 GMT -5
One thing about physical labor is that it generally beats up your body. When you hit your 50s, it starts to take a toll. Everyone is different, but, in your 60s, you may be forced to retire. You said it. I'm here on crutches waiting for an MRI tomorrow to tell me if I'm getting knee surgery. In December I had an MRI on my other knee. That one they decided would heal itself which they were correct. But I wasn't on crutches last time. My knees are toast and it's from too many years walking on stilts |
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Post by ridgecommander on May 1, 2024 10:19:09 GMT -5
One thing about physical labor is that it generally beats up your body. When you hit your 50s, it starts to take a toll. Everyone is different, but, in your 60s, you may be forced to retire. I treat a lot of 50 year olds that look like they are 70. Some due to the kind of work they do, some due to their lifestyles. |
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Post by moosemike on May 1, 2024 10:20:02 GMT -5
One thing about physical labor is that it generally beats up your body. When you hit your 50s, it starts to take a toll. Everyone is different, but, in your 60s, you may be forced to retire. I treat a lot of 50 year olds that look like they are 70. Some due to the kind of work they do, some due to their lifestyles. That would be me |
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Post by fleroo on May 1, 2024 10:57:43 GMT -5
Friend of mine had both hips replaced. 1 late 20's. 1 about 30. Has the same degenerative bone disease that Bo Jackson has.
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Post by bushmaster on May 1, 2024 12:50:50 GMT -5
One thing about physical labor is that it generally beats up your body. When you hit your 50s, it starts to take a toll. Everyone is different, but, in your 60s, you may be forced to retire. Yes, 3 more years at 62 and I won't be forced. I will do it willingly. :} |
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Post by stroupy on May 1, 2024 16:33:31 GMT -5
I'm 35 and some mornings I get up feeling like I'm 65. I'm the type of person that thinks they need to use 100lbs of force when truly you need only 5 lbs.... I'm learning I'm not invincible.
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Post by Dutch on May 1, 2024 20:27:19 GMT -5
I'm 63, I brought an air conditioner up from the basement the other day. I either pulled a muscle, or now have a hernia.
Stroupy is now going to install a mini split system for me.
Its time, I'm not totally stupid. 🤔
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Post by davet on May 2, 2024 5:47:45 GMT -5
I'm 68 and anything physical I either pay someone to do it....or when he's available my great Irish (Bull of a guy) will hoist it on one shoulder with one hand and walk it wherever I want it.
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Post by rusty on May 3, 2024 18:01:32 GMT -5
I shoveled and pushed about thirty or so wheelbarrow loads of gravel this morning and raked it out in the cabin's driveway and around the fire ring. My back felt ok Until I started to step out of my truck after driving home. Makes me feel like one of those whiney young folks everybody my age complains about. The doc told me using a rake is one of the worst things for your lower back-but what do doctors know? And you know you're getting old when you have to stop fishing because simply standing in a trout stream for a couple hours makes your back hurt too much. I should be back into working condition by this time of year.  |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on May 3, 2024 21:15:52 GMT -5
I’ve been at camp all this week doing some maintenance, replacing two concrete block foundation piers, and raising the footers. Also replacing front porch roof, I have a self employed carpenter contractor helping, actually he doing most of the work. I found out this week that at 76 there’s some things I can do and some I can no longer do. I can still lift a 80 pound bag of sac creat, but can’t go anywhere with it, and forget about getting it any higher than my waist. I’m also about done for the day by 10am.🤣 Hopefully we’ll have it all done by this coming Wednesday.
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Post by Dutch on May 3, 2024 22:10:35 GMT -5
I’ve been at camp all this week doing some maintenance, replacing two concrete block foundation piers, and raising the footers. Also replacing front porch roof, I have a self employed carpenter contractor helping, actually he doing most of the work. I found out this week that at 76 there’s some things I can do and some I can no longer do. I can still lift a 80 pound bag of sac creat, but can’t go anywhere with it, and forget about getting it any higher than my waist. I’m also about done for the day by 10am.🤣 Hopefully we’ll have it all done by this coming Wednesday. You do what you can. Never give up! |
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Post by bud16057 on May 4, 2024 1:52:50 GMT -5
I’ve been at camp all this week doing some maintenance, replacing two concrete block foundation piers, and raising the footers. Also replacing front porch roof, I have a self employed carpenter contractor helping, actually he doing most of the work. I found out this week that at 76 there’s some things I can do and some I can no longer do. I can still lift a 80 pound bag of sac creat, but can’t go anywhere with it, and forget about getting it any higher than my waist. I’m also about done for the day by 10am.🤣 Hopefully we’ll have it all done by this coming Wednesday. You do what you can. Never give up! Or like Toby Kieth said "Don't let the old man in" |
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Post by fleroo on May 6, 2024 8:50:42 GMT -5
Never heard that saying, but I like it. |
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