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Post by Loggy on Mar 27, 2024 19:44:56 GMT -5
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Post by Dutch on Mar 27, 2024 22:45:58 GMT -5
That will be a mess for a long time. They must almost make reopening that port a national priority.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 27, 2024 23:37:18 GMT -5
Yeah it’s unbelievable. Lucky more lives weren’t lost.
Sounds like they’re going to try to open the shipping channel asap as the bridge rebuild will take years. When I fished the upper Chesapeake I launched at the Northwest Park ramp not too far from the bridge. Both my Chevy truck and Equinox came in at Baltimores port. Major commerce comes through there.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 28, 2024 6:24:58 GMT -5
I read that more than 800,000 cars and light trucks went thru Port of Baltimore last year. It's America's busiest American port for vehicle shipments.
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Post by davet on Mar 28, 2024 6:46:29 GMT -5
Those poor men who died in the collapse. They were all immigrants who came from Mexico, Ecuador, & IIRC Columbia. All they wanted was an opportunity to work and make their families lives better.
But no Trumper will acknowledge that fact. You won't hear a peep outta the orange diaper man's mouth about this.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2024 6:51:45 GMT -5
The news last night said container companies are already sending cargos to other ports. Nonetheless, Baltimore companies that serve the portare already shutting down and laying people off. Very sad for those folks, and those to come.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2024 7:05:31 GMT -5
News just said they had two minutes notice to shut the bridge down. Ship pilot called dispatch he lost all power, and police stopped traffic just in time.
Just incredible
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Post by Loggy on Mar 28, 2024 7:22:16 GMT -5
Read ship pilot also dropped anchor but that's like trying to stop a freight train. Maybe slowed ship a lil but that's about it.
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Post by jwk on Mar 28, 2024 7:50:35 GMT -5
This could have a substantial environmental impact as well. Depending on what containers were breached, apparently there were lots of hazardous materials on the ship.
I hope that it is minimal damage to the environment as well as economical.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2024 8:15:46 GMT -5
Read ship pilot also dropped anchor but that's like trying to stop a freight train. Maybe slowed ship a lil but that's about it. They gave the force numbers that the ship had. Nothing stops that on a dime. I had some idiot on Facebook wondering why the bridge couldn't take a ship hitting it. 😳😳😳 Oh, and the conspiracy theories that came out just hours later, in spite of the reports that the pilot was in communication with authorities as the disaster was unfolding. SMH |
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Post by davet on Mar 28, 2024 10:40:23 GMT -5
I watched the news give a comparison last evening. When barges break free near Pittsburgh and hit the bridges, the bridge "foot" is a large circle of concrete and stone. The barges weigh 1,500 tons. But those freight ships go 165,000 tons. That's a huge difference in momentum coming at the bridge foot.
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Post by acorn20 on Mar 28, 2024 11:35:05 GMT -5
The Key bridge collapse is going to cripple the Baltimore port for some time. All ships that enter the Patapsco Bay do so by passing under a couple more bridges about 25 to 30 miles south...the Chesapeake Bay bridges. How susceptible are those bridges to a container ship collision?
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Post by davet on Mar 28, 2024 13:49:11 GMT -5
The Key bridge collapse is going to cripple the Baltimore port for some time. All ships that enter the Patapsco Bay do so by passing under a couple more bridges about 25 to 30 miles south...the Chesapeake Bay bridges. How susceptible are those bridges to a container ship collision? I would have to think they are just as vulnerable as the FSK bridge. The momentum those freight ships have is incredible. I had a discussion with one of my grandkids about force\motion\stopping. We were talking about how hard it would be to stop an object (bike, scooter, skateboard) that was moving. (In motion). So, I said as an extreme example, if someone was on a bike coming right at you at 5mph, could you stop it? Then I ask if a loaded concrete truck was coming at you at 5mph, could you stop it? He had a better understanding (a novice explanation) of the power of mass in motion. |
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Post by acorn20 on Mar 28, 2024 14:55:48 GMT -5
It's scary!
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2024 16:17:27 GMT -5
The Key bridge collapse is going to cripple the Baltimore port for some time. All ships that enter the Patapsco Bay do so by passing under a couple more bridges about 25 to 30 miles south...the Chesapeake Bay bridges. How susceptible are those bridges to a container ship collision? The Bay bridge is part bridge,part tunnel, right? They pass over the tunnel? |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 28, 2024 16:31:56 GMT -5
That port will be reopened for shipping in a month.
Replacing the biridge will take a little longer.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 28, 2024 16:41:56 GMT -5
The Key bridge collapse is going to cripple the Baltimore port for some time. All ships that enter the Patapsco Bay do so by passing under a couple more bridges about 25 to 30 miles south...the Chesapeake Bay bridges. How susceptible are those bridges to a container ship collision? The Bay bridge is part bridge,part tunnel, right? They pass over the tunnel? The Bay Bridge(Rt 50 Bridge) crosses at Annapolis(4 mile stretch). Popular route to OC, MD & way I travel to my Chincoteague Bay property. The next bridge is RT13 the Chesapeake Bay/Tunnel Bridge where RT 13 crosses to(Norfolk) 17 mile stretch. Where Chesapeake Bay meets Atlantic Ocean. |
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Post by davet on Mar 28, 2024 16:54:04 GMT -5
The Key bridge collapse is going to cripple the Baltimore port for some time. All ships that enter the Patapsco Bay do so by passing under a couple more bridges about 25 to 30 miles south...the Chesapeake Bay bridges. How susceptible are those bridges to a container ship collision? The Bay bridge is part bridge,part tunnel, right? They pass over the tunnel? No. The Bay bridge is all above the water. We took this bridge to OC MD every summer for like ten years. The one you're thinking of is further south. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2024 17:07:42 GMT -5
That port will be reopened for shipping in a month. Replacing the biridge will take a little longer. A month?? Wow, that seems quick |
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Post by Loggy on Mar 28, 2024 17:16:54 GMT -5
When I completed the USCG Boating Safety/Navigation Course they covered boating in areas where large cargo ships traveled. Rule of thumb was to never anchor in or anywhere near to marked shipping channels plus never navigate within 1/2 mile behind an "on the way" cargo ship's stern due to prop propulsion force creating underwater turbulence potentially capsizing small craft. Plus many times there's something in tow where tow cable isn't visible. Always giveway to cargo ship as captain's visibility for small crafts is limited from most helms. Average cargo ships stopping distance is 2 miles. Most importantly, always have VHF radio on Channel 16. When fishing North of the Chesapeake Bay Rt 50 Bay Bridge up to Swan Point all the way South to Sharp's Lighthouse around Diamond shoals there's almost always a large cargo ship in view so you're constantly on lookout. Now I fish backwaters near Chincoteague Bay where there's no large vessels due to limited channel depths most being well under 50 ft most averaging 25' or less. Dealing with submerged oyster beds & sandbars is a lil less challenging.  |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 28, 2024 20:14:23 GMT -5
That port will be reopened for shipping in a month. Replacing the biridge will take a little longer. A month?? Wow, that seems quick Weather will play a part, but if it good, should be no problem. They will bring the cranes in and concentrate on one area between two of the piers. Clean out a channel deep enough and wide enough for the cargo ships. It will be a 24 hour operation every day until done. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2024 20:32:25 GMT -5
A month?? Wow, that seems quick Weather will play a part, but if it good, should be no problem. They will bring the cranes in and concentrate on one area between two of the piers. Clean out a channel deep enough and wide enough for the cargo ships. It will be a 24 hour operation every day until done. I hope so. It needs to get a huge priority |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 28, 2024 20:44:01 GMT -5
Weather will play a part, but if it good, should be no problem. They will bring the cranes in and concentrate on one area between two of the piers. Clean out a channel deep enough and wide enough for the cargo ships. It will be a 24 hour operation every day until done. I hope so. It needs to get a huge priority It will. To much money involved for it not to get top priority. |
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Post by Loggy on Apr 3, 2024 17:58:01 GMT -5
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