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Post by bushmaster on Mar 20, 2024 11:22:33 GMT -5
The percent of the harvest went way up since crossbows were introduced.That happened because they're far easier and far more effective.Nothing subjective about that.That's all despite what many claim as them being heavy,cumbersome and harder to use in a treestand. I love mine! Not heavy not cumbersome, and easy to use in tree stand
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 20, 2024 11:29:31 GMT -5
The percent of the harvest went way up since crossbows were introduced.That happened because they're far easier and far more effective.Nothing subjective about that. Actually, there is a lot subjective about that. You have to look at the actual number of people participating in various seasons. There are now more people hunting in archery season and less people hunting in firearms season. We have lost over 250,000 firearms only deer hunters and only gained a fraction of that in archery season. That is the largest reason why percent of harvest has gone up. Even without crossbows, the percent of harvest would change if the number of hunter hunting in each season changes. Basic math. The decline of rifle participation is the main reason why percent of harvest in rifle is contiuing to decrease. Slightly more archery hunters and a slightly higher success rate has helped some, but that pales to the effect of a huge drop in rifle hunters. You have said so yourself about the lack of rifle huntng pressure and I and many others agree that rifle participation is tanking. In order to get a real hard number on success rates in Pa you need archery hunter numbers, kill numbers and the number killed with each weapon type. That would be objetive hard data. I don't have that info. Maybe you do? I am not denying crossbows are eaiser and their success rates are higher. I just prefer to stick to facts.
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Post by davet on Mar 20, 2024 11:35:17 GMT -5
This may sound counter to the facts, but I always preferred a compound to a crossbow. Easier to handle, and 2nd shot opportunities are available in some situations.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 24, 2024 18:39:26 GMT -5
I was watching the Bassmasters Classic this morning. They were showing real time video of one of the leaders's sonar and you could watch the jerk bait and bass reacting to it in real time. He was changing his retrieve based on how the bass was reacting to the lure. This afternoon I was watching guys musky fish. They would watch their sonars when the lure got to the boat and would do figure 8s if they saw a muskie following.
Yeah, nothing to see there as long as its fishing and not hunting.............
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Post by dougl on Mar 25, 2024 11:55:29 GMT -5
How mnay of those fish did they keep during that tounament?
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 25, 2024 12:15:51 GMT -5
How mnay of those fish did they keep during that tounament? Limit was 5 fish at the classic I believe. All released if still living after weigh in. As I said previously, "fair chase" is the pursuit or chase of our quarry so that references the hunting aspect not the killing aspect. The use of certain electronics while hunting is during the hunting or pursuit aspect of the sport. So the conundrum about what is "fair chase" while hunting and its relation to what is "fair chase" while fishing is there. Of course, some that realize the conundrum and contradictory positions they have placed themselves in often then try to turn it into the killing part of both sports, but the reality is fair chase involves the pursuit of, not the killing of. IE; "chase". Whether fishing or hunting. BTW, pleny of fish are killed while fishing...............
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Post by dougl on Mar 25, 2024 12:37:59 GMT -5
I'm not gonna to argue with you Gene.I don't care what kind of technology someone uses to catch and release fish with just like I won't argue what kind of camera someone uses to take pictures of wildlife with.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 25, 2024 12:48:45 GMT -5
I'm not gonna to argue with you Gene.I don't care what kind of technology someone uses to catch and release fish Not arguing. Just a discussion. Do you care what they use if they plan on creeling fish? Or maybe the better question is do you have fair chase standards when it comes to fishing if they plan to kill such as side scan, high def sonars or other techniques/equipment?
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Post by dougl on Mar 25, 2024 13:20:58 GMT -5
No Gene,I really don't care
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Post by rusty on Mar 25, 2024 13:43:13 GMT -5
I was watching the Bassmasters Classic this morning. They were showing real time video of one of the leaders's sonar and you could watch the jerk bait and bass reacting to it in real time. He was changing his retrieve based on how the bass was reacting to the lure. This afternoon I was watching guys musky fish. They would watch their sonars when the lure got to the boat and would do figure 8s if they saw a muskie following. Yeah, nothing to see there as long as its fishing and not hunting............. The figure 8 at the side of the boat has been used forever by Musky fishermen. Many fishermen do it at the end of every retrieve, fishfinder or not.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 25, 2024 13:55:04 GMT -5
The figure 8 at the side of the boat has been used forever by Musky fishermen. Many fishermen do it at the end of every retrieve, fishfinder or not. Yes. The interesting thing was you could watch the fish on sonar even if it was too deep to see. Without the sonar, most musky fisherman would have pulled out the lure after a few 8s. If they saw a fish on sonar, they kept doing 8s until the fish hit or it moved on. It was quite fascinating watching it in real time hi def. There is no question how electronics have changed and continue to change the game when it comes to catching and often times creeling fish. Yet, in the fishing world it has mostly gone unchecked by many of the same folks that loathe similar circumstances in the hunting world.
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