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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 15, 2023 10:23:56 GMT -5
Proven not to work"? Just what is your proof? Even if it were true, explain how it could be proven. Many studies have been perverted with false conslusions by those that don't dive into the details and make an attempt to understand what exactly was studied and its implications in real world environments. Some studies have concluded that masks did not alter the outcome of the pandemic, to which I would agree, but that should not be conflated to mean that masks "don't work" or are ineffective in all situations or environemnts. |
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Post by westfieldjoe on Jun 15, 2023 11:07:49 GMT -5
The rule for covering your cough or sneeze still applies. The mask is an aid to that.
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Post by dougl on Jun 15, 2023 11:41:16 GMT -5
Proven not to work"? Just what is your proof? Even if it were true, explain how it could be proven. Many studies have been perverted with false conslusions by those that don't dive into the details and make an attempt to understand what exactly was studied and its implications in real world environments. Some studies have concluded that masks did not alter the outcome of the pandemic, to which I would agree, but that should not be conflated to mean that masks "don't work" or are ineffective in all situations or environemnts. I remember you being all on board with the mask mandates.Back when covid first hit I watched Fauchi and the creepy surgeon general both claim that masks would not be effective when they were asked.Three weeks later they were mandated and you were selfish cold-hearted prick if you refused to wear one.Heck,Loggy even threatened to kick any unmasked person's ass if they got too close to his wife.Three months later,two or three maks were better than one.The masks and the vaccine that was supposed to stop covid dead in it's tracks were both the biggest social experiment of all time.The people lost and the Gov't won.I refused to wear one. |
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Post by dougl on Jun 15, 2023 11:45:05 GMT -5
If I learned one thing over the past three years it's that you can never trust a word that comes from the Gov't or the media.I can't believe you people are still arguing over the covid response and level at which they'll go after Trump and ignore everything that the marxist Libs do.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 15, 2023 11:53:27 GMT -5
I remember you being all on board with the mask mandates. Yep. I personally witnessed some of the positive effects. Unfortunately, there were negative effects too. That is your choice. |
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Post by dougl on Jun 15, 2023 12:02:24 GMT -5
Really,so you know of people who would have died had they not worn a mask?I was in State College a few weeks ago and saw people(mostly young) walking all around outside,still wearing masks.It was a sad sight to see and just proof of how easily manipulated mindless people are.
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Post by dougl on Jun 15, 2023 12:04:44 GMT -5
I remember you being all on board with the mask mandates. Yep. I personally witnessed some of the positive effects. Unfortunately, there were negative effects too. That is your choice. But it really wasn't my choice.Thankfully I live in an area where nobody even questioned me and our DA refused to prosecute business owners who refused to comply with the lockdowns. |
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Post by dougl on Jun 15, 2023 12:10:13 GMT -5
Although Biden claimed he was losing his patience for the non-compliance on the vaccines,I'm still gratefull that he allowed us to have small gatherings for the fourth of july in 2021.Million of people should really hang their heads in shame for allowing themselves to be so manipulated.
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Post by bushmaster on Jun 15, 2023 14:01:36 GMT -5
Really,so you know of people who would have died had they not worn a mask?I was in State College a few weeks ago and saw people(mostly young) walking all around outside,still wearing masks.It was a sad sight to see and just proof of how easily manipulated mindless people are. Sheep with be sheep! |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 15, 2023 14:39:19 GMT -5
Really,so you know of people who would have died had they not worn a mask? What I saw was masking significantly slowed the infection rates within healthcare systems during the initial outbreak. Yes, more would have died without masking and other mitigation efforts. One facility I have intimate knowedge of lost 25% of their residents to Covid during the initial outbreak. A very vulnerable population that got crushed during the initial outbreak. With mitigation, infections and deaths went down in that facility and many others. Those folks were real people with real families. At this point, the chance of getting infected with Covid is low. I don;t understand healthy folks still wearing a mask either. With that said, it is a cultural thing for us westerners. In many parts of Asia, mask wearing is common all of the time, even before Covid as a respect thing for others if someone is not feeling well. |
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Post by dougl on Jun 15, 2023 15:54:03 GMT -5
There's no way you can make that claim Gene.No way.If N95's were used,that's a different story but making people wrap there face with a cloth or cheesy mask did nothing.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 15, 2023 16:42:56 GMT -5
There's no way you can make that claim Gene.No way.If N95's were used,that's a different story but making people wrap there face with a cloth or cheesy mask did nothing. You would have to have been there to understand. Yes, N95s were mandated and fitted. The difference was night and day after mitigation. The best protection is indeed properly fitted and used N95s. Cloth or cheese mask would have little effectiveness but would still decrease droplet expulsion but not virus intake. |
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Post by Loggy on Jun 15, 2023 16:48:22 GMT -5
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Post by stroupy on Jun 15, 2023 17:37:28 GMT -5
There's no way you can make that claim Gene.No way.If N95's were used,that's a different story but making people wrap there face with a cloth or cheesy mask did nothing. N95s filter in not out, I have had plenty of education on mask wearing before all this covid nonsense ever started. I worked in an environment with plenty of hazardous particles. OSHA has info on it dated before 2019von how important a proper seal is for masks to be affective. Any type of facial hair and any mask is proven useless. The media said this the media said that, and people followed blindly. Then the same people say they don't listen to the media. Yeah right. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 16, 2023 6:29:23 GMT -5
N95s filter in not out, I have had plenty of education on mask wearing before all this covid nonsense ever started. Then you would know that there are 95 masks with exhalation valves and those without them. Both have applications. If the concern is protecting only the user, those with exhalation valves are appropriate. If the concern is protecting the user and those around the user, a 95 without a valve is preferred. From the National Institute of Standards and Technology; What is the difference between valved and non valved masks?
A valved respirator will only protect the wearer because the air exhaled through the valve is likely to contaminate the external environment. An unvalved respirator provides two-way protection: protecting both the wearer and the patient. |
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Post by stroupy on Jun 16, 2023 6:46:56 GMT -5
N95s filter in not out, I have had plenty of education on mask wearing before all this covid nonsense ever started. Then you would know that there are 95 masks with exhalation valves and those without them. Both have applications. If the concern is protecting only the user, those with exhalation valves are appropriate. If the concern is protecting the user and those around the user, a 95 without a valve is preferred. From the National Institute of Standards and Technology; What is the difference between valved and non valved masks?
A valved respirator will only protect the wearer because the air exhaled through the valve is likely to contaminate the external environment. An unvalved respirator provides two-way protection: protecting both the wearer and the patient.And 2 head straps (not ear loops) and no facial hair is required for the masks to be affective, any type of facial hair renders the mask totally useless. They all knew this but pushed the bull anyway. |
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Post by muttleysback on Jun 16, 2023 6:50:44 GMT -5
Nice discussion but the fact of the matter is that most who wore masks wore the cheap ones given out for free or made their own masks from cloth. Neither provided a barrier to viruses. The only thing they blocked was droplets from sneezes. Having had several courses in microbiology and epidemiology, my personal opinion is that most mask wearing did little to nothing in the way of preventing transmission of covid 19. I have never seen anyone wearing a valved mask. It was a "feel good" measure at best.
I seldom wore any kind of mask, and never tested positive (perhaps a dozen tests) or had any symptoms of Covid 19. My w1FE unit did test positive once, but never exhibited any sign of it.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 16, 2023 7:01:20 GMT -5
]And 2 head straps (not ear loops) and no facial hair is required for the masks to be affective, any type of facial hair renders the mask totally useless. N95s and KN95s can have ear loops are are effective if fitted properly. As far as totally "useless", that is incorrrect as usual. An ill fitting mask does not stop virus from entering or leaving but it does lessen the amount or droplets and distance that droplets can travel. So there is still some use.................... Quit while you are behind, my friend. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 16, 2023 7:01:51 GMT -5
Nice discussion but the fact of the matter is that most who wore masks wore the cheap ones given out for free or made their own masks from cloth. Neither provided a barrier to viruses. The only thing they blocked was droplets from sneezes. . Yep. |
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Post by stroupy on Jun 16, 2023 7:09:17 GMT -5
]And 2 head straps (not ear loops) and no facial hair is required for the masks to be affective, any type of facial hair renders the mask totally useless. N95s and KN95s can have ear loops are are effective if fitted properly. As far as totally "useless", that is incorrrect as usual. An ill fitting mask does not stop virus from entering or leaving but it does lessen the amount or droplets and distance that droplets can travel. So there is still some use.................... Quit while you are behind, my friend. So I guess the safety coordinator for the whole country is wrong then? The guy who burst my bubble when cleaning hazardous aluminum dust because I had a n95 on with a beard. Yeah totally not behind on this. |
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Post by stroupy on Jun 16, 2023 7:13:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember when the place fitted the overhead crane operators with respirator systems that pump oxygen in because it was the only thing that would meet the requirements and would actually work. Until the price of them then we never heard about it again. Yeah I totally lack any experience with respirators. Lol you have no clue.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 16, 2023 7:21:09 GMT -5
So I guess the safety coordinator for the whole country is wrong then? The guy who burst my bubble when cleaning hazardous aluminum dust because I had a n95 on with a beard. Yeah totally not behind on this. Facial hair is a no no, which is why I said "properly fitted"............. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 16, 2023 7:22:16 GMT -5
Yeah I totally lack any experience with respirators. Lol you have no clue. I never said you lack experience with them. Experience doesn't exempt you from making false statements. |
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Post by stroupy on Jun 16, 2023 7:30:59 GMT -5
Yeah I totally lack any experience with respirators. Lol you have no clue. I never said you lack experience with them. Experience doesn't exempt you from making false statements. What was false that I said? |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 16, 2023 7:33:58 GMT -5
Oh, just three on this page. Ear loops, useless and in not out..................
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