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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 10:43:21 GMT -5
That should go without saying
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 19, 2023 11:00:13 GMT -5
That should go without saying I see your point. Some of these mass victim shooters have an agenda. Screwed up as it may be. |
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2023 13:32:50 GMT -5
Being reported that the shooter had a mental health issue. Yep. And bought the AR just days after his 18th birthday. Gun owners are holding the cards yet won't discuss the issue. If they brought certain things to the table that they would be willing to talk about like universal backgrounds checks, they could actually see some movement on some of the other factors like mental health and criminal sentencing. |
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 19, 2023 14:14:10 GMT -5
Being reported that the shooter had a mental health issue. Yep. And bought the AR just days after his 18th birthday. Gun owners are holding the cards yet won't discuss the issue. If they brought certain things to the table that they would be willing to talk about like universal backgrounds checks, they could actually see some movement on some of the other factors like mental health and criminal sentencing. I still fail to see how hav ing a universal background check on a single shot 22 is going to stop mass shootings with a AR type semi automatic. |
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Post by bushmaster on May 19, 2023 14:22:05 GMT -5
I won't be voting for Trump in the Primary, but if he wins nomination, he will get my vote. There's no way I vote Democrat or totally waste my vote on an Independent that has no chance in hell of winning. Thought you wouldn't vote for someone with "no chance in hell of winning" Bushy?? Now if his base's votes could be somehow be double counted it would least give him a chance with the American electorate factored in. Plus....Biden is likely to leave his basement in 2024 and actually campaign!  "actually leave his basement and campaign" LOL, the guy can't even form a coherent sentence! |
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Post by rusty on May 19, 2023 14:57:55 GMT -5
If we are offer the same two in '24, we are in BIG trouble. We would end up with harris or trump in the end. There are few people as bad as those two.
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Post by rusty on May 19, 2023 15:00:50 GMT -5
I won't be voting for Trump in the Primary, but if he wins nomination, he will get my vote. There's no way I vote Democrat or totally waste my vote on an Independent that has no chance in hell of winning. I don't think there has ever been a better time for a serious independent to run. I know very few voters who are happy with their own party after the past six years. |
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2023 15:09:03 GMT -5
I still fail to see how hav ing a universal background check on a single shot 22 is going to stop mass shootings with a AR type semi automatic. The big picture escapes you. I have laid it out several times and again in the post that you quoted. Typically movement happens when both sides give and take. Is the pro gun willing to give universal background checks in exchange for more mental health funding and school security as an example? Many have said nope. They won't give an inch. |
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 19, 2023 16:04:14 GMT -5
I still fail to see how hav ing a universal background check on a single shot 22 is going to stop mass shootings with a AR type semi automatic. The big picture escapes you. I have laid it out several times and again in the post that you quoted. Typically movement happens when both sides give and take. Is the pro gun willing to give universal background checks in exchange for more mental health funding and school security as an example? Many have said nope. They won't give an inch. Universal background checks right down to a single shot 22, being transfered from a father to a son or daughter, is asking them to go more than half way. Keep in mind that a Republican bill was voted down by a Democratic led congress to provide funding to harden every school. They want every gun transfer to go through background check. Which would not stop any of the recent school shootings because those firearms were sold by dealers and NICS. It's not the 2A gun owners who are at fault The solutuon is somewhere in the middle I agree with you on that. You have to realize that universal checks on all transfers is viewed as more than halfway. |
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Post by rusty on May 19, 2023 18:23:01 GMT -5
I look at Universal background checks as a very reasonable step.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2023 18:50:45 GMT -5
Universal background checks right down to a single shot 22, being transfered from a father to a son or daughter, is asking them to go more than half way. Nah. Background checks are SOP when we buy any gun at retail. For private sales, they are still required for pistols, but there are exemptions written in for family transfers. The same would be the case with universal checks. If some on the pro gun side are not even willing to talk about universal checks in exchange for other changes that will actually help curb the number of innocents dying, those folks are part of the problem as well. |
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 19, 2023 20:11:20 GMT -5
Universal background checks right down to a single shot 22, being transfered from a father to a son or daughter, is asking them to go more than half way. Nah. Background checks are SOP when we buy any gun at retail. For private sales, they are still required for pistols, but there are exemptions written in for family transfers. The same would be the case with universal checks. If some on the pro gun side are not even willing to talk about universal checks in exchange for other changes that will actually help curb the number of innocents dying, those folks are part of the problem as well. The anti gunner does not want any firearm transfer exemption. They will balk at any universal check with it. You seem to have drawn a line where you believe halfway is. Ever consider that maybe you are part of the problem? Lol. This attempt to shame those into your corner comes off as low. I know you are decent guy trying. |
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Post by ridgecommander on May 19, 2023 20:27:49 GMT -5
The anti gunner does not want any firearm transfer exemption. They will balk at any universal check with it. You seem to have drawn a line where you believe halfway is. Nah. The solutions come from the middle. Cool heads from both sides need to sit down and start talking. The American people are demanding it. Without actions, the voters will eventually decide our fate and it won't be pretty for gun owners. I guess that what some on the pro gun side want.......... If demanding discussion about solutions to gun violence and the deaths of innocents is "part of the problem", I will gladly wear that label. I am at a point in time that am I tired of watching innocents die. Enough of the prayers. It is time for real solutions. Those that are unwilling to support folks sitting down to discuss the issue with an open mind are part of the problem and they should be shamed. Any politician that says they won't move an inch on either side is also part of the problem. |
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Post by bushmaster on May 19, 2023 20:42:12 GMT -5
I won't be voting for Trump in the Primary, but if he wins nomination, he will get my vote. There's no way I vote Democrat or totally waste my vote on an Independent that has no chance in hell of winning. I don't think there has ever been a better time for a serious independent to run. I know very few voters who are happy with their own party after the past six years. I totally agree with ya, it's going to take a wave for me to jump on the surf board though. I'm no Trump fan, but I'll be damned to vote for a Democrat or some Independant with no momentum. |
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Post by stroupy on May 20, 2023 6:13:36 GMT -5
After watching the lies, and tantrums they did for the orange man and seeing how easily persuaded people are people will never be happy with any candidate.
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 20, 2023 6:20:09 GMT -5
After watching the lies, and tantrums they did for the orange man and seeing how easily persuaded people are people will never be happy with any candidate. Trump got ripped off. He deserves a second term. |
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Post by Loggy on May 20, 2023 6:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by Loggy on May 20, 2023 8:16:36 GMT -5
Truth hurts....huh? lol
On sizing...the Large fits me fine as most Larges do. I'm 5'9" and 180 lbs. I would buy the size that you normally wear.
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Post by rusty on May 22, 2023 16:46:30 GMT -5
A chance to salvage what good's remaining in the Republican Party to put it back on a sustainable/winning path!   I have never displayed any political signs, nor worn a political garment. That is one that I would buy and wear if the pair would happen to run. We really need to return normalcy to the Whitehouse. |
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Post by stroupy on May 23, 2023 4:57:49 GMT -5
Just curious for the we have to work together crowd. So if a young boy wants to change his gender before the age of 18 do we come to an agreement and allow him to take out one testicle and get circumcised as a compromise? Just curious on that. As for Kinzinger, and Cheney slimeballs the two of them. The z team is because they come in last. Far from telling the truth.
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Post by Dutch on May 23, 2023 5:24:20 GMT -5
Just curious for the we have to work together crowd. So if a young boy wants to change his gender before the age of 18 do we come to an agreement and allow him to take out one testicle and get circumcised as a compromise? Just curious on that. As for Kinzinger, and Cheney slimeballs the two of them. The z team is because they come in last. Far from telling the truth. Cheney and Kinzinger were two of the very few Republicans that have been honest. I'd vote for a Cheney/Manchin ticket in a heartbeat. Or Manchin/Cheney At present, of those in the GOP race, none would cause me to vote. Not one |
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Post by stroupy on May 23, 2023 5:26:29 GMT -5
Just curious for the we have to work together crowd. So if a young boy wants to change his gender before the age of 18 do we come to an agreement and allow him to take out one testicle and get circumcised as a compromise? Just curious on that. As for Kinzinger, and Cheney slimeballs the two of them. The z team is because they come in last. Far from telling the truth. Cheney and Kinzinger were two of the very few Republicans that have been honest. I'd vote for a Cheney/Manchin ticket in a heartbeat. Or Manchin/Cheney At present, of those in the GOP race, none would cause me to vote. Not one They were far from honest they pushed hearsay only did a one sided hearing hired a producer. They are both slimeball politicians. I remember when the Cheneys were the enemy now they are honest? |
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Post by Loggy on May 23, 2023 6:10:52 GMT -5
Just curious for the we have to work together crowd. So if a young boy wants to change his gender before the age of 18 do we come to an agreement and allow him to take out one testicle and get circumcised as a compromise? Just curious on that. As for Kinzinger, and Cheney slimeballs the two of them. The z team is because they come in last. Far from telling the truth. Cheney and Kinzinger were two of the very few Republicans that have been honest. I'd vote for a Cheney/Manchin ticket in a heartbeat. Or Manchin/Cheney At present, of those in the GOP race, none would cause me to vote. Not one I'm right with you Dutch on that!! Cheney & Kinzinger are the only ones that sacrificed their personal political careers and stood for the rule of law and America's democracy. Chris Christie taking away a few of his past flips...would also warrant consideration. Hopefully, Jack Smith etc. and the rule of law will soon open the playing field and save the GOP from more election denying MAGA rooted/embarrasing loses when the general electorate votes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2023 6:28:44 GMT -5
Just curious for the we have to work together crowd. So if a young boy wants to change his gender before the age of 18 do we come to an agreement and allow him to take out one testicle and get circumcised as a compromise? Just curious on that. As for Kinzinger, and Cheney slimeballs the two of them. The z team is because they come in last. Far from telling the truth. Cheney and Kinzinger were two of the very few Republicans that have been honest. I'd vote for a Cheney/Manchin ticket in a heartbeat. Or Manchin/Cheney At present, of those in the GOP race, none would cause me to vote. Not one I'd vote for Tim Scott |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2023 6:30:03 GMT -5
Cheney and Kinzinger were two of the very few Republicans that have been honest. I'd vote for a Cheney/Manchin ticket in a heartbeat. Or Manchin/Cheney At present, of those in the GOP race, none would cause me to vote. Not one They were far from honest they pushed hearsay only did a one sided hearing hired a producer. They are both slimeball politicians. I remember when the Cheneys were the enemy now they are honest? Why would we judge Liz based off of her dad? The Bible says the children are not to pay for the sins of the parents |
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