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Post by Dutch on May 17, 2023 5:57:52 GMT -5
Sometimes we get so caught up in defending our beliefs and positions that we forget that we're all just people trying to make our way through this life. And we forget to treat each other like people. Respect and civility are often the first casualties of an internet debate. It's good to take a step back sometimes and remember how to treat people I come off strong with my opinions I'm a stubborn Dutchman:) Mixed with stubborn Coalcracker. 😂😂 |
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Post by stroupy on May 17, 2023 6:34:15 GMT -5
I come off strong with my opinions I'm a stubborn Dutchman:) Mixed with stubborn Coalcracker. 😂😂 I take in enough ashbdust to be one!  |
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Post by rusty on May 17, 2023 8:43:50 GMT -5
Ill chalk it up to you being unable to answer my question and leave it at that. I chalk it up to inability to accept that a guy you support so strongly is unworthy. Seeing trump for what he is does not make one a liberal, woke, a democrat, or whatever label fox is passing to their viewers today. BTW, how many AR style rifles have been used in shootings since the date this thread was started? |
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Post by stroupy on May 17, 2023 10:25:11 GMT -5
Ill chalk it up to you being unable to answer my question and leave it at that. I chalk it up to inability to accept that a guy you support so strongly is unworthy. Seeing trump for what he is does not make one a liberal, woke, a democrat, or whatever label fox is passing to their viewers today. BTW, how many AR style rifles have been used in shootings since the date this thread was started? Well the Durham report will be buried and nobody will get upset, there will be no talk of a danger to our democracy, no talk of not accepting the election. They stole the first 2 years of Trumps term, they changed voting laws in order to get the guy ousted. It's a shock that people will do anything for power but draw the line at stealing elections. I'm tired of all the claims and thrn the ones doing the claiming float around important questions that are brought forth. Here's an example Mike brought up about Trump banning bump stocks. I didn't make any excuses for him on that one because it's true No floating around the question with stupid opinionated logic. He did he owns it. |
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Post by Dutch on May 17, 2023 12:25:01 GMT -5
In Pennsylvania, it was a bipartisan bill, that changed our voting laws to allow for mail in ballots. In late 2019, when it was signed into law, the GOP was slapping themselves on the back for getting it passed.
And actually, if you had voted by mail, like I did, you'd know that there was all kinds of verification required.
When I vote in person, all I do is sign.
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Post by stroupy on May 17, 2023 13:06:59 GMT -5
In PA there were changes to that bill once they used covid to decide where it went to the liberal Supreme Court. There were questions about accepting ballots after the polls closed they had 4 weeks to vote . There should have been a cut off on election day. After all the major changes there should have been an audit to see how everything worked, whether it would proved me right wrong or even if my candidate lost. There is low voter turn out and it has nothing to do what the politicians are saying. A lot of people no longer have faith in the election process. After watching them question 2016 over a lie that has now been confirmed.
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 17, 2023 14:05:17 GMT -5
Ill chalk it up to you being unable to answer my question and leave it at that. I chalk it up to inability to accept that a guy you support so strongly is unworthy. Seeing trump for what he is does not make one a liberal, woke, a democrat, or whatever label fox is passing to their viewers today. BTW, how many AR style rifles have been used in shootings since the date this thread was started? An overview. The Democratic party, is claiming Trump is trying to overturn an election by way of this phone call. An election, through the evidence coming to light, had the help of the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies, to steal the election from him. All the while claiming he instigated an insurrection to over turn the will voters. Again, all the while they had been been trying to overturn his election (will of the voters) using a false accusation to perform an insurrection to overthrow his presidency. Donald Trumps character, is the least of this countries problems. |
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 17, 2023 14:24:16 GMT -5
Loggy, what is reason the IRS pulled the team assigned to the Hunter Biden issue?
Someone asked me how many AR 15s have been used in mass killing since this topic began. I don't know. I haven't been counting.
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Post by Dutch on May 17, 2023 14:26:11 GMT -5
In PA there were changes to that bill once they used covid to decide where it went to the liberal Supreme Court. There were questions about accepting ballots after the polls closed they had 4 weeks to vote . There should have been a cut off on election day. After all the major changes there should have been an audit to see how everything worked, whether it would proved me right wrong or even if my candidate lost. There is low voter turn out and it has nothing to do what the politicians are saying. A lot of people no longer have faith in the election process. After watching them question 2016 over a lie that has now been confirmed. I think they accepted votes that were postmarked BEFORE the election, for a few days after, correct? |
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Post by stroupy on May 17, 2023 15:52:53 GMT -5
In PA there were changes to that bill once they used covid to decide where it went to the liberal Supreme Court. There were questions about accepting ballots after the polls closed they had 4 weeks to vote . There should have been a cut off on election day. After all the major changes there should have been an audit to see how everything worked, whether it would proved me right wrong or even if my candidate lost. There is low voter turn out and it has nothing to do what the politicians are saying. A lot of people no longer have faith in the election process. After watching them question 2016 over a lie that has now been confirmed. I think they accepted votes that were postmarked BEFORE the election, for a few days after, correct? That one I don't remember exact, but Wolff had to be court ordered to take dead people off of the voter rolls and only did that after the election. Like really that's common sense? |
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Post by Dutch on May 17, 2023 16:36:57 GMT -5
I think they accepted votes that were postmarked BEFORE the election, for a few days after, correct? That one I don't remember exact, but Wolff had to be court ordered to take dead people off of the voter rolls and only did that after the election. Like really that's common sense? Well, I looked it up, they accepted ballots for three days after the election, that were postmarked before the election. In Philadelphia, there were 1000 of those. If postmarked before, they SHOULD be accepted. We all know how bad the USPS was at that time, due to the pandemic |
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Post by Dutch on May 17, 2023 16:40:51 GMT -5
At the time Trump lost, other GOP candidates were winning. It meant people split their tickets. Were those results challenged due to fraud? No.
I won't vote for Trump, if he's the nominee. I won't vote for a Dem either. I just won't vote. Maybe the GOP needs to listen, if we are to preserve some gun rights
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Post by stroupy on May 17, 2023 17:51:54 GMT -5
Every swing state didn't swing both ways. The states that are normally either or stayed the same but not the swing states. I'll vote for Trump or Kennedy no one else as the swamp is back in charge and they sent a message to Trump or anyone like him.
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Post by Dutch on May 17, 2023 19:30:31 GMT -5
Kennedy is as nuts as Trump
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Post by stroupy on May 17, 2023 20:07:16 GMT -5
Trump is far from nuts. I dealt with this at the gun club the bad eggs were the ones in charge pointing their fingers at a small bunch of people. The swamp and media did a good job at running him through the mud. Yeah he's rough around the edges but the sooner people realize how crusty Washington is the better. So many like to hammer Washington but then repeat everything they say. Hard to take people seriously when they repeat the narrative.
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Post by stroupy on May 17, 2023 20:12:49 GMT -5
I met a guy from New York last year.Goes by the name John Ed Bon Fed he's on facebook. He used to draw people's portraits at Yankee stadium, he was quite an interesting fellow a tad strange. But he said he knew Trump personally. So I got to talking and asking him questions about him. He said that he has been under the irs's eye since the early 90s if there was anything there he would have been found out a long time ago. Said he's actually a great guy. The swamp and media doesn't want anyone to see him that way though. Trump blackened the swamps eyes Biden hammers on the voter but somehow people still hate Trump. I don't get it. He's guilty of hammering the same people you all do.
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Post by bushmaster on May 18, 2023 4:26:54 GMT -5
I won't be voting for Trump in the Primary, but if he wins nomination, he will get my vote. There's no way I vote Democrat or totally waste my vote on an Independent that has no chance in hell of winning.
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Post by Loggy on May 18, 2023 5:38:51 GMT -5
I won't be voting for Trump in the Primary, but if he wins nomination, he will get my vote. There's no way I vote Democrat or totally waste my vote on an Independent that has no chance in hell of winning. Thought you wouldn't vote for someone with "no chance in hell of winning" Bushy?? Now if his base's votes could be somehow be double counted it would least give him a chance with the American electorate factored in. Plus....Biden is likely to leave his basement in 2024 and actually campaign!  |
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Post by Loggy on May 18, 2023 5:53:00 GMT -5
Loggy, what is reason the IRS pulled the team assigned to the Hunter Biden issue? Have no idea. Disclosures are strictly confidential. Statute covering overall Whistleblower process below:
IRS Pub 5251IRC 7623
IRS Regulation 301.7623 |
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 18, 2023 6:46:30 GMT -5
Loggy, what is reason the IRS pulled the team assigned to the Hunter Biden issue? Have no idea. Disclosures are strictly confidential. Statute covering overall Whistleblower process below:
IRS Pub 5251IRC 7623
IRS Regulation 301.7623Thanks! I wondered if it was SOP for when a whistle-blower comes forward. |
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 18, 2023 7:05:21 GMT -5
Mass murders. I could be wrong. I seem to remember that in any shooting, if 3 or more are injured, the mass murder classification is applied. How many of these instances is a handgun the weapon involved? We have what amounts to universal checks on handguns. Yet, the requirement doesn't seem to work to the degree some expect it would with semiautomatic rifles. ??
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 7:25:27 GMT -5
Four or more have to be shot for a mass shooting. Handguns certainly get used in these events more than AR's but since you don't get the body count with handguns they don't often make the national news. People often survive a 9mm at 1,300 fps but the usually die from a 5.56 at 3,300
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 18, 2023 8:21:32 GMT -5
Four or more have to be shot for a mass shooting. Handguns certainly get used in these events more than AR's but since you don't get the body count with handguns they don't often make the national news. People often survive a 9mm at 1,300 fps but the usually die from a 5.56 at 3,300 I was referencing backgrounds checks. The very tight universal requirements for handgun transferes already in place. |
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Post by Dutch on May 18, 2023 18:35:04 GMT -5
It was Obama that reduced the numbers needed to qualify for a mass shooting. When a couple of drug dealers get into it, it can easily become a mass shooting.
I have issues with that definition
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Post by westfieldjoe on May 19, 2023 10:28:52 GMT -5
In the meantime, it appears more innocents died and officers wounded in NM yesterday. Being reported that the shooter had a mental health issue. |
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