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Post by dougl on Mar 31, 2023 12:15:20 GMT -5
There's not enough band width to list all the reasons.Lack of respect,lack of discipline,every is a victim,lack of God..........All of that is a result of the progressive movement and all of that is what's causing crazy people to kill each other.
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Post by rusty on Mar 31, 2023 12:34:20 GMT -5
Do you really believe many of the shooters were "progressives"? I think more of them were Timothy McVeigh type thinkers.
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Post by dougl on Mar 31, 2023 14:01:49 GMT -5
Yes,I think most were progressive freaks.Timothy Mcveigh was an evil pos who killed kids but was going after the Gov't in his mind.
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Post by rusty on Mar 31, 2023 14:59:06 GMT -5
Yes,I think most were progressive freaks.Timothy Mcveigh was an evil pos who killed kids but was going after the Gov't in his mind. It seems the many calling themselves conservatives are hoping, maybe even calling, for an attack on our government. If we use our system as it is intended to work, we can change things at every election. But that requires better candidates that get the nomination because of their ideas instead of the party leaders blessings. So far this thread has been a respectful exchange. Maybe we best try to keep politics out of it. It is good to read the varied ideas. |
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Post by dougl on Mar 31, 2023 16:30:51 GMT -5
Rusty,I'm a very hardcore conservative in that I believe in the Consitution,Bill of rights,personal accountability,small Gov't and the rule of law.I will not waizer one inch on any of my rights.I'm also not a homophobic racist like the left tries to portray me.I'm actually a pretty nice guy who would do just about anything for anybody.I also despise just about every politician on both sides.We have a very corrupt Gov with evil intentions.I don't advocate attacking our Gov't but I do advocate holding the lying treasonous bastards accountable.Unfortunately,I believe that's extremely unlikely because they're all in it together and our system can no longer work the way it was intended.
Our society has degraded right along with our gene pool.Much of what we face can never be fixed.I realized a long time ago that the only control I really have is over my kids.I tried to raise them right.
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Post by muttleysback on Apr 3, 2023 8:52:07 GMT -5
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 3, 2023 11:58:01 GMT -5
I let my representatives know my thoughts. A comprehensive package meant to lower gun violence and reduce mass casualties of innocents. Funding for school security. More funding for mental health. Investment in the criminal justice system to hold people accountable for crimes in prison. Enhanced background checks on the preferred firearms of mass killers. Better enforcement of existing gun laws and communications between law enforcement and mental health professionals. School administrators being held accountable for coddling bad kids.
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Post by rusty on Apr 3, 2023 16:27:06 GMT -5
We need more mental hospitals, more prisons, red flag laws and stricter enforcement of all laws including actual sentencing criminals to prison time.
As far as blaming schools for coddling "bad kids", parents should be held more accountable.
The ease with which sick minds can get it's hands on weapons that are meant to cause quick mass casualties has to be a big part of the effort to reduce the number of people we lose when the killing starts.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 3, 2023 18:15:52 GMT -5
As far as blaming schools for coddling "bad kids", parents should be held more accountable. Well. Parents should also be held accountable but when the kids are at school and the school turns a blind eye to violence, threats, etc. they are part of the problem as well. The sheet that happens in schools these days the the administrators just poo poo and hope that it goes away makes me sick. |
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Post by rusty on Apr 3, 2023 18:26:28 GMT -5
I know there are some schools like that. Good parents should demand better from their board and superintendent.
Most schools do a good job of educating students who put any effort into getting and education, but those are usually the parents that are not often heard from. Sports programs and political grandstanding are very common subjects for public comment time at most board meetings today.
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Post by moosemike on Apr 3, 2023 18:28:34 GMT -5
Certain guns inspire such behavior. Those guns should be reevaluated
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Post by Dutch on Apr 3, 2023 21:07:24 GMT -5
Certain guns inspire such behavior. Those guns should be reevaluated I know you'll get pizzed at me,but I feel the same about pumps and lever guns in the deer woods, especially the pumps. Of course the azz that nearly shot me was using a pump |
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Post by muttleysback on Apr 4, 2023 6:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by moosemike on Apr 4, 2023 6:44:36 GMT -5
Cool. We can ban everything but single shots and double barrels. Because if levers have to go bolts also have to go since they both shoot at about the same rate of fire
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Post by moosemike on Apr 4, 2023 8:10:49 GMT -5
Our gun rights are going to be lost due to rallying around these AR-15s when we should've cut bait
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 4, 2023 8:59:44 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time with this thread, I can't believe some of the thinking, from some who have commented.
This is a hunting and fishing site, so I would think most, if not everyone, is familiar with fire arms. Has MSMBC and CCN contaminated your mind with their liberal left thinking and WOKE agenda to the point you can no longer distinguish between the truths or lies.
I just can't believe I even have to say this, It's not the gun, any type of gun, it's the sick mind of the person using it. Banning one type of gun is the first step to banning all guns and isn't the answer.
Did God banish rocks when Cain used one to kill Able? Didn't David use a rock to kill Goliath? The same rock/gun was used for both good and evil. It just depended on in who's hand that inanimate object was in at the time.
I would have though that everyone knows that an inanimate object like a firearm or rock can do nothing until someone picks it up.
We are a free nation, some restrictions apply, or at lease we once were. The 2nd amendment to our constitution is the keystone that holds all the other amendments together, loose that and we loose all of them.
Japan emperor, it is reported, once said, during WW II "that due to the number of guns, in civilian hands , they could not invade America. That they would need to fight house to house all across the United States to conquer it." I don't know when the next war is coming to American or if it ever comes at all, I pray to God it never happens. Don't know if it will be by a foreign country or within, but this I'm sure of. If it does happen, if we no longer have privately owned firearms to defend ourselves or this nation, we the people loose. I'm hoping that my Grandfather and some Uncles, from almost 250 years ago, aren't rolling over in their graves, wondering if their sacrifices and hardships were worth the trouble to make America the country it once was.
This I know, I will not give up any of my guns, single shot bolt, lever action, pump action semi auto or hand guns.
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Post by rusty on Apr 4, 2023 9:55:20 GMT -5
Our gun rights are going to be lost due to rallying around these AR-15s when we should've cut bait I believe you're correct. Politicians will do what they see as a way to gain them votes. Right now the gun lobby has power, but this power is fading. Many gun owners are not in favor of keeping assault rifles so easy to get.(we know what rifles are referred to when ars are mentioned) If gun owners and the gun lobbies simply dig our heels in, we will have politicians and voters who know nothing about firearms and see them all as "weapons of mass destruction" making the laws that will determine which guns will be available. Making the claim that all firearms, knives, or rocks can be used to kill people, is weak when it comes to these mass murders. Gun enthusiasts know better than anyone the reason semiautos with high-capacity magazines are chosen by those who act to kill as many people as quickly as possible. Pretending we don't is foolish, IMO. I think it would be better if the NRA and GOA make a sincere effort to join the discussion about what can be done to reduce the number of gun deaths. |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 4, 2023 10:23:50 GMT -5
Our gun rights are going to be lost due to rallying around these AR-15s when we should've cut bait I believe you're correct. Politicians will do what they see as a way to gain them votes. Right now the gun lobby has power, but this power is fading. Many gun owners are not in favor of keeping assault rifles so easy to get.(we know what rifles are referred to when ars are mentioned) If gun owners and the gun lobbies simply dig our heels in, we will have politicians and voters who know nothing about firearms and see them all as "weapons of mass destruction" making the laws that will determine which guns will be available. Making the claim that all firearms, knives, or rocks can be used to kill people, is weak when it comes to these mass murders. Gun enthusiasts know better than anyone the reason semiautos with high-capacity magazines are chosen by those who act to kill as many people as quickly as possible. Pretending we don't is foolish, IMO. I think it would be better if the NRA and GOA make a sincere effort to join the discussion about what can be done to reduce the number of gun deaths. With the mind set of some on here, we have already lost. If you're not willing to fight for the second amendment then maybe Twitter would be more toward your liking. You're either for freedom or you're against it, the choice is yours, can't have it both ways. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 4, 2023 10:30:34 GMT -5
Our gun rights are going to be lost due to rallying around these AR-15s when we should've cut bait I will continue to rally around AR15s for personal use but I am at a point in time that I support enhanced screening of those that purchase them along with like weapons and certain accessories. They seem to be a weapon of choice for those intent on carnage. Even with pistols, many of them seek out those that are capable of high capacity as well. |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 4, 2023 10:40:46 GMT -5
Our gun rights are going to be lost due to rallying around these AR-15s when we should've cut bait I will continue to rally around AR15s for personal use but I am at a point in time that I support enhanced screening of those that purchase them along with like weapons and certain accessories. They seem to be a weapon of choice for those intent on carnage. Even with pistols, many of them seek out those that are capable of high capacity as well. There are some restrictions when it comes to gun ownership I able to agree with. Outright ban of AR-15 style rifles isn't one of them. High capacity mags are another. Do you really think the bad guy wouldn't have them, they probably have already broken the law, having high capacity magazine is the least of their worry. Then again it might make the difference for the good guy on who's left standing. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 4, 2023 11:00:52 GMT -5
With the mind set of some on here, we have already lost. If you're not willing to fight for the second amendment then maybe Twitter would be more toward your liking. You're either for freedom or you're against it, the choice is yours, can't have it both ways. I do not support bans on certain firearms and accessories. What I do now support is enhanced checks on those that want to purchase them among other things which I already laid out. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 4, 2023 11:04:18 GMT -5
There are some restrictions when it comes to gun ownership I able to agree with. Outright ban of AR-15 style rifles isn't one of them. Agreed. In the case of the recent school shooter. She had no criminal record. She was not a hardened criminal buying guns and parts on the street. She purchased everything legally. Enhanced checks might have prevented those purchases if the right enhancements were in place. Especially as it relates to the mental health component. |
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Post by moosemike on Apr 4, 2023 11:39:01 GMT -5
"Some on here aren't Republicans and don't see the 2nd amendment through the lens of the GOP" ðŸ˜
That's what I'm hearing as I read this thread.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 4, 2023 11:49:48 GMT -5
I saw a local gun shop has some nice ARs, $539. I don't NEED one, but then I could sell my old Colt and unlock some equity. 🙂
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Apr 4, 2023 12:03:55 GMT -5
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In the case of the recent school shooter. She had no criminal record. She was not a hardened criminal buying guns and parts on the street. She purchased everything legally. Enhanced checks might have prevented those purchases if the right enhancements were in place. Especially as it relates to the mental health component. [/quote]
Possibly, and so would better security measures at all school. Our present administration has billions of our dollars to give to people who shouldn't even be here, but very little to protect the children and teachers who are citizen. That money would have been better off spent, can be better off spent, making our kindergarten to high schools safe, but no it doesn't happen. They care more about illegals than they do about the people who are born here.
This whole administration has been one big cluster _____. But then again the past few years, Washington has been one big SNAFU.
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