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[ridgecommander]

Can't even get universal background checks passed on firearms purchases as more children die in our schools................

[Dutch]

Mar 27, 2023 15:37:00 GMT -5 ridgecommander said:

Can't even get universal background checks passed on firearms purchases as more children die in our schools................

And there was a school shooting where they pulled the resource officer out back in 2020, now, they want them back.

Someone armed in these schools, IS a deterrent

[muttleysback]

The real problem seems to be that in many jurisdictions the justice system coddles criminals, demonizes law enforcement, and makes up for it by persecuting those who defend themselves. JMHO

[Loggy]

Good LEO took out the killer within 15 minutes of 911 call. Still a tragic loss of 6 precious lives.   Sounds like the heavily armed killer was equiped to quickly take out the entire school. Prayers for all.

[rusty]

It seems that these mass shootings happen so often that Americans forget about them in a day or two.
This school's lock down policy likely saved many lives. 14 minutes is a long time when the killer has 3 semi auto weapons. But, to say we are lucky that ONLY six were killed is a really sad commentary.

[ridgecommander]

I am not willing to sit idly by as more innocents die. It is far past time for real effective change. Everything should be on the table. School security. Guns. Mental health. Accountability. Enforcement of crime and sentencing.

[muttleysback]

I am not willing to give up any of my rights when the problem could be solved in other ways. Put all of those things on the table, but one thing is for sure. Restricting MY personal right to own a firearm will NOT have the effect you desire. First, let's try those other things for a change instead of the knee jerk reaction blaming those of us who are ethical and legal firearms owners who obey the laws applicable. Perhaps bring back actual enforcement of the death penalty too.

[fleroo]

Perhaps bring back actual enforcement of the death penalty too.

I'm ALL for that... with some TEETH also ! I'm also for more stringent background checks. What's it hurt ?

But, I watched the video of that he/she/it, blowing rounds through the glass in the door to access the school. How hard is it to put bullet-proof glass in our schools where there are doors or windows that require glass ? That seems to be a very effective mode of deterrence. The government funds so many sh!t projects, and gives away BILLIONS of our dollars needlessly, how about funding schools for bullet-proof glass. That THING would not have entered had the BP glass been in place. He/she/it would have been engaged outside of the school by LE.

Adding.. the BP glass only has to be added to ground access level. No need to put it on 2nd or 3rd floors, etc.... These azzholes don't have the gumption to repel down off a roof to kill kids and teachers, I'm sure.

[ridgecommander]

Mar 28, 2023 8:47:41 GMT -5 muttleysback said:

I am not willing to give up any of my rights when the problem could be solved in other ways. Put all of those things on the table, but one thing is for sure. Restricting MY personal right to own a firearm will NOT have the effect you desire.

I do not want my rights or your rights trampled upon either. Silencers are legal but certain steps must be done in order to purchase one. Same with automatic weapons. Maybe its time to look at something similar for high capacity mags or certain firearms. Your right to own one is not infringed but additional processes must occur. Kids die as we put up barriers and are unwilling to have a discussion that needs to occur. Whether we like it or not, there are weapons of choice that are being used to mow down our kids.

First, let's try those other things for a change instead of the knee jerk reaction blaming those of us who are ethical and legal firearms owners who obey the laws applicable. Perhaps bring back actual enforcement of the death penalty too.

Which is why I said we cannot even get universal background checks approved. We have been at this for decades. Innocents dying while each side points fingers and nobody does anything. Pointing fingers while innocents die is also part of the problem. Doing something 20 years ago may have been "knee jerk". That ship has sailed. It is time for action.

School security. Accountability in school. Criminal sentencing and enforcement. Mental health. Guns. Time to actually do something.................

[rusty]

Current gun laws need to be strictly enforced. And there has to be a way that background checks can be made more effective. I question whether
a person with a mental illness that is bad enough to prevent him from holding a job shouldbe allowed to have guns.

And, as Unpopular as my opinion is, semi autos and large capacity mags makes it much easier to raise the body count when these sick creatures enter a school, supermarket, etc. I believe it should be more difficult to get them.
Another unpopular thought -background checks for ALL gun purchases and transfers.

If gun owners simply dig our heels in, we will be left with laws made entirely by gun haters who know little to nothing about the things. If politicians see that the demand for strict gun laws helping them win elections, we will live with what they come up with.

[fleroo]

Agree. It's high time there is real conversation, and real changes. We are well past honest gun owners simply saying "Don't tread on me and my gun rights!" without even considering opportunities to mitigate some of this nonsense. That doesn't mean, take away an law-abiding owners gun rights. It means have conversation on how this can be mitigated. Will it be foolproof ? Of course not. Just like the BP glass suggestion.

I know damn well that's not a popular premise on any hunting, conservation, or outdoor message board/site. But....

[rusty]

With all due respect to Mutt, so many of these mass murders have happened in this country, that finally putting some teeth in our gun laws can hardly be described as a knee-jerk reaction.

[Loggy]

Mar 28, 2023 11:03:40 GMT -5 rusty said:

With all due respect to Mutt, so many of these mass murders have happened in this country, that finally putting some teeth in our gun laws can hardly be described as a knee-jerk reaction.

Yep....we're well past a knee-jerk reaction & more in an ambulatory stage. 

[Loggy]

Mandatory death penality wouldn't do sh!t. Most all of these rambo suited-up whackos plan on ending their mass murder with either self suicide or suicide by police. Likely taking away their ability to write their manifesto or banning their dropping lil pre-drama hints of their flaunting/killing plan on social media would do more good. As long as they have the wherewithall of easily obtaining weapons capable of efficiently killing a 100 or more innocent people in the matter of a few minutes.....this will continue to fester & feed on itself. They will contine to try & out do each other. A very sad state of affairs America got itself in.

[dougl]

Less than 500 people per year are killed with all rifles combined.Way more are killed with knives and by blunt force trauma.We already have back ground checks and they do no real good because evil intent on doing evil will prevail.The Boston bombers and 911 hijackers didn't even need guns.They got everything they needed to commit their attrocities at Walmart.

Let's start by having legit security in every school.It was reported that the shooter actually wanted to shoot up a different school but decided otherwise because of armed security.Clearfield county deputized retired state troopers 20 years ago and there's two in every school up here.I used to have to drop off something for my kids on a regular basis.Good lock getting in if you're intent on doing harm.It's a pretty simple solution.These freaks are cowards and they always attack soft targets.Limiting my rights doesn't fix a thing.

We now live in an entitled,Godless society where everyone's a victim and nobody takes accountability.That's the root of the problem and it was planned.Until that get's fixed,nothing will improve.

Yes,Mutt is correct.Doing something just for the sake of saying we did something,is indeed a knee jerk reaction with no benefit.

If someone is a Trans,they obviously have a severe mental disorder.Probably shouldn't be able to pass a background check.PUT THAT IN A BILL AND SEE IT GO OVER LIKE A TURD IN A PUNCH BOWL.

[ridgecommander]

Mar 28, 2023 12:33:33 GMT -5 dougl said:

Less than 500 people per year are killed with all rifles combined.Way more are killed with knives and by blunt force trauma.We already have back ground checks and they do no real good because evil intent on doing evil will prevail.The Boston bombers and 911 hijackers didn't even need guns.They got everything they needed to commit their attrocities at Walmart.

Let's start by having legit security in every school.It was reported that the shooter actually wanted to shoot up a different school but decided otherwise because of armed security.Clearfield county deputized retired state troopers 20 years ago and there's two in every school up here.I used to have to drop off something for my kids on a regular basis.Good lock getting in if you're intent on doing harm.It's a pretty simple solution.These freaks are cowards and they always attack soft targets.Limiting my rights doesn't fix a thing.

We now live in an entitled,Godless society where everyone's a victim and nobody takes accountability.That's the root of the problem and it was planned.Until that get's fixed,nothing will improve.

Yes,Mutt is correct.Doing something just for the sake of saying we did something,is indeed a knee jerk reaction with no benefit.

If someone is a Trans,they obviously have a severe mental disorder.Probably shouldn't be able to pass a background check.PUT THAT IN A BILL AND SEE IT GO OVER LIKE A TURD IN A PUNCH BOWL.

As more 9 year old get slaughtered in our schools................. School security. Accountability. Guns. Sentencing and bonds. Mental health. Way past time for real change. We don't need the blame game. The families deserve action on many fronts. People are getting real tired of the blame game as more innocents die.

[rusty]

How many of these killers were/are "trans"?

Every time one of the murderers goes off we hear the line that those intent on killing will find a way. That may very well be true, but should we continue to allow weapons that make it so easy to kill so many people in so short a period of time? Is any background check as effective if private sales are exempt?

The NRA and GOA have a role to play here other than simply fighting any and every attempt to come up with something that will help.
Doing nothing about gun laws and their enforcement seems as unreasonable as trying to ban all gun ownership.

[dougl]

We live in an evil society Gene.It really is that simple.I can't control the limp-wristed approach that so many people choose to live their lives.I taught my kid's accountability along with various ways to defend themselves.It appears that far too many didn't do that.The Gene pool has deteriorated and along with it much of society.I don't see that changing but I do know that more gun laws aren't the answer.Guns aren't the issues.The issue is that people want to do harm to others.That isn't normal and that's what needs to be fixed.It won't ever be fixed however because we've already gone too far.Actually we do need the blame game because this isn't normal behavior and something has caused it.How mnay school shooting was there in 1980 when the schools had no security and students were actually allowed to have guns in their vehicles?

[Deleted]

At this point I'm all for restricting high capacity military style semi automatic weapons

[rusty]

When politicians see fighting against gun laws and bowing to the NRA is political suicide, we will see a change. And if gun owners and their organizations leave it up to them, we may find that the more restrictive they make the laws, the better it is for them politically. If/when that happens, we will be much worse off.
Gun owners should not be afraid to offer possible solutions.

[rusty]

Mar 28, 2023 12:54:39 GMT -5 dougl said:

We live in an evil society Gene.It really is that simple.I can't control the limp-wristed approach that so many people choose to live their lives.I taught my kid's accountability along with various ways to defend themselves.It appears that far too many didn't do that.The Gene pool has deteriorated and along with it much of society.I don't see that changing but I do know that more gun laws aren't the answer.Guns aren't the issues.The issue is that people want to do harm to others.That isn't normal and that's what needs to be fixed.It won't ever be fixed however because we've already gone too far.Actually we do need the blame game because this isn't normal behavior and something has caused it.How mnay school shooting was there in 1980 when the schools had no security and students were actually allowed to have guns in their vehicles?

Teaching kids to defend themselves and holding them accountable does no good when a sick person with a rifle starts emptying a clip around a classroom, a playground, school cafeteria, occupied by a bunch of elementary student or even a store full of shoppers.
Society has changed so much since 1980. The laws of the day may have worked more effectively for the make up of the people then.

Society has changed. Guns have changed. Maybe the laws need to change.

[fleroo]

Let's start by having legit security in every school.It was reported that the shooter actually wanted to shoot up a different school but decided otherwise because of armed security.Clearfield county deputized retired state troopers 20 years ago and there's two in every school up here.I used to have to drop off something for my kids on a regular basis.Good lock getting in if you're intent on doing harm.It's a pretty simple solution.

I agree with the security, Doug. TRAINED and well-armed security personnel in schools, meaning firepower to match these high-cap. weapons they may encounter, is a great start. Same with the aforementioned BP glass in accessible areas. The problem is, monetary resources for schools. Granted, there are schools that can easily afford these kind of expenditures, and some do. But truth be told, across America, there are many that cannot. That's why I stated, the monies for our school protection, should come from our "Good Uncle". Perhaps they can cut back on needless spending on public housing, and welfare programs for drug-addled riff-raff that they cater to for votes... and find some money there ? Might be a start.

[Loggy]

Mar 28, 2023 12:56:31 GMT -5 @moosemike said:

At this point I'm all for restricting high capacity military style semi automatic weapons

The ban should never of been lifted. I said from day one that ultimately law abiding /gun owning sportsmen will end up paying the price with our 2nd rights eroded or even ultimately eliminated. The majority of America’s society does not support the hunting community doesn’t give a F about us. This just gives them more reason to destroy what we love. Too many are blinded/pigheaded to see it…….”ain’t takin my guns away”, “ don’t tread on me” and other bull. That chest thumping ain’t gonna cut it anymore. 

[dougl]

Mar 28, 2023 13:07:30 GMT -5 rusty said:

Mar 28, 2023 12:54:39 GMT -5 dougl said:

We live in an evil society Gene.It really is that simple.I can't control the limp-wristed approach that so many people choose to live their lives.I taught my kid's accountability along with various ways to defend themselves.It appears that far too many didn't do that.The Gene pool has deteriorated and along with it much of society.I don't see that changing but I do know that more gun laws aren't the answer.Guns aren't the issues.The issue is that people want to do harm to others.That isn't normal and that's what needs to be fixed.It won't ever be fixed however because we've already gone too far.Actually we do need the blame game because this isn't normal behavior and something has caused it.How mnay school shooting was there in 1980 when the schools had no security and students were actually allowed to have guns in their vehicles?

Teaching kids to defend themselves and holding them accountable does no good when a sick person with a rifle starts emptying a clip around a classroom, a playground, school cafeteria, occupied by a bunch of elementary student or even a store full of shoppers.
Society has changed so much since 1980. The laws of the day may have worked more effectively for the make up of the people then.

Society has changed. Guns have changed. Maybe the laws need to change.

My kids were always disciplined and always were expected to take accountability for their actions so I know they would never committ a mass shooting.They were taught to defend themselves so they wouldn't be victims of bullying.They were also taught to stick up for the kids who were getting bullied.What do you think causes many of these kids to snap?To a large extent,it's bullying.Society has degraded and that's not disputable.Until that's fixed,I don't want limits placed on how I can defend myself.Crime of all sorts is rampant all across the country,There's several thousand shooting every year in just a few big cities.Do you think those perps went through a background check?It's a different world today and again,it was done by design.If my son would have come to me and said he wanted a vagina,I wouldn't have thrown him a new gender reveal party.I would have gotten him the help he needed.Today,we're just expected to pretend that ths nonsense is normal.Not me.

[rusty]

Mine was no attack on your post Doug. I was just pointing out that you, me, and everyone else who places raising responsible humans high on our list of priorities has nothing to do with making them bullet proof if some deranged shooter starts to spray bullets at them.
Our society is sick and getting sicker every day. Sane people need to recognize that this ain't our dad's world anymore and we may need more than our dad's laws to manage things.