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Post by dougl on Mar 28, 2023 15:52:27 GMT -5
Mine was no attack on your post Doug. I was just pointing out that you, me, and everyone else who places raising responsible humans high on our list of priorities has nothing to do with making them bullet proof if some deranged shooter starts to spray bullets at them. Our society is sick and getting sicker every day. Sane people need to recognize that this ain't our dad's world anymore and we may need more than our dad's laws to manage things. I didn't take it as an attack.I'm just making a point that the guns are not the issue.The bottom line is,the damage has already been done and no legislation will fix it.You can't legislate evil and you can't legislate stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 16:08:10 GMT -5
I'm in favor of an outright ban
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2023 16:15:08 GMT -5
I continue to be amazed that someone can just walk into a school building.....
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2023 16:16:31 GMT -5
If I buy a 6 pack at a store, I must produce ID, but no ID required to enter a school?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 16:23:23 GMT -5
It did not walk into that school. It shot its way in
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 28, 2023 16:27:13 GMT -5
How mnay school shooting was there in 1980 when the schools had no security and students were actually allowed to have guns in their vehicles? Times have changed. We can choose to make excuses or take actions to save innocents. Living in the 80s isn't gonna solve anything. |
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Post by rusty on Mar 28, 2023 17:00:37 GMT -5
If I buy a 6 pack at a store, I must produce ID, but no ID required to enter a school? I don't know of a school that allows people to simply walk in. Most that I know of make all visitors show identification and have legit business to enter anywhere they could contact students. Many parents think the security is overkill-the same folks would whine if it were less secure too. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 28, 2023 17:32:32 GMT -5
It did not walk into that school. It shot its way in I just saw that on the news. I was at camp and not in the loop. Bullet proof glass would help |
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Post by bushmaster on Mar 28, 2023 17:39:18 GMT -5
When I was in High School my Shotgun and Hunting vest hung in back window of my truck. Wasn't a problem. What has changed? We had the same guns. This problem goes a lot deeper than guns.
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Post by muttleysback on Mar 28, 2023 18:20:49 GMT -5
How mnay school shooting was there in 1980 when the schools had no security and students were actually allowed to have guns in their vehicles? Times have changed. We can choose to make excuses or take actions to save innocents. Living in the 80s isn't gonna solve anything. I agree, Gene, but what we don't agree on is what kind of actions we should take. And now, I have wasted enough time on this subject. I'm going to camp tomorrow. the heck with political arguments. |
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Post by rusty on Mar 28, 2023 18:29:37 GMT -5
When all schools are made secure and armed security in them all, the sick creatures will turn to churches, parks, shopping malls, concerts.... what weapons would any of us least want to see being used if we or our children were the target?-that needs to be a consideration.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 28, 2023 18:56:23 GMT -5
When all schools are made secure and armed security in them all, the sick creatures will turn to churches, parks, shopping malls, concerts.... what weapons would any of us least want to see being used if we or our children were the target?-that needs to be a consideration. A weapon that is specifically desinged to fire in a minute or 2 hundreds of low recoiling rounds(mostly 55 gr)pushing almost 4,000 ft/second affording shooter to stay on target achieving devastating trauma on victim. Yep.....a typical after school hunting round that we all grew-up with & kept in our cars while at high school!! |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 29, 2023 6:27:36 GMT -5
The AR platform is one of the best platforms for hunting that exists for varmints and big game. Lower recoiling, compact and modular. Unfortunately, in some forms it also happens to be one of the platforms that those intent on killing a lot of people gravitate towards.
Here in Pa, many hunters just don't understand their use for hunting because they are illegal here for the most part, but in most other states the AR is very popular among hunters for good reason. I don't want to see them banned or restricted but I am leaning towards supporting making the screening process much more thorough for those that want to purchase them or certain accessories.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 7:33:04 GMT -5
I like the AR platform myself. But between some other forums I frequent where the right wing incessantly calls out for Revolution and Civil War, and the mass shooting phenomenon, I'm not sure I like my fellow Americans having AR's anymore
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Post by fleroo on Mar 29, 2023 7:35:47 GMT -5
You need a notarized letter from the Pope himself to walk in, and get a kid out of school in our district. I'd guess most are the same. But, that's got nothing to do with shooting your way in. Yep, BP glass would have completely stopped that thing, and it would have died outside based on the LE response in that case. Would BP glass prevent a shooting in every situation ? No way. But it's a very easy fix to gunning through a glass door to gain access. One that every school can have with funding.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 29, 2023 8:09:24 GMT -5
Oh, per the above. Our HS is currently receiving new field TURF on their stadium that was built about 15 years ago. In tandem, they also want to add a new scoreboard, that shows INSTANT REPLAYS ! Mind you, this is one of the smaller schools enrollment-wise in SW PA. Can you say... PRIORITIES! ?
The scoreboard is $175,000. No idea what the turf cost is.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 29, 2023 8:12:31 GMT -5
But between some other forums I frequent where the right wing incessantly calls out for Revolution and Civil War, and the mass shooting phenomenon, I'm not sure I like my fellow Americans having AR's anymore A well armed militia is why I feel they should remain legal to own as the militia should have the ability to fight the good fight. With that said, I tend to believe that more screening should take place in order to purchase these firearms and should be part of the discussion. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 29, 2023 8:13:23 GMT -5
Oh, per the above. Our HS is currently receiving new field TURF on their stadium that was build about 15 years ago. In tandem, they also want to add a new scoreboard, that shows INSTANT REPLAYS ! Mind you, this is one of the smaller schools enrollment-wise in SW PA. Can you say... PRIORITIES ! When it comes to sports, spare no expense................ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 10:38:53 GMT -5
I don't want to see this Country turned into a show third world nightmare by a bunch of guys who glorify January 6th and imagine themselves to be some sort of a "militia". Which militias have been rendered moot for a long time
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 29, 2023 10:45:37 GMT -5
The most secure gun shop I was ever in, was in the Allentown area. It was a small shop, owner and a couple of employee, mostly handguns. The building was concrete block with windows along the eves to let some nature light in. You entered through a solid steel door by pushing a call buzzer, camera outside, again hung near eve, and waited until hearing door unlock. You then entered into a bullet proof glass enclosed the door locked behind you. The owner or an employee would then ask a couple of questions and could then electronically unlock the inter door of BP glass. Everyone working there had a open carry Glock strapped to their side.
I see no reason why the same concept, with some minor changes couldn't be used in our schools.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 29, 2023 13:03:07 GMT -5
Each of those that you mentioned, have already been targeted by these psychopaths.... in multiplicity. But, they're more apt to encounter an armed person or persons in those venues. An elementary school on the other hand. Pretty hard to find a softer target than that in almost all cases.
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Post by dougl on Mar 29, 2023 13:29:29 GMT -5
Chicago,a city where you can't own a handgun or AR,has about 3k shootings per year.The gun laws don't help one bit.All they do is keep law-abiding people from being able to protect themselves.All of the back ground checks and laws in the world won't keep bad people from doing bad things.
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Post by dougl on Mar 29, 2023 13:32:05 GMT -5
I don't want to see this Country turned into a Shipshewana third world nightmare by a bunch of guys who glorify January 6th and imagine themselves to be some sort of a "militia". Which militias have been rendered moot for a long time There's ample evidence that the Gov't has been weaponizing Gov't agencies against the people.Anyone who thinks the American people shouldn't be able to defend themselves againt their own Gov't is a fool. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 14:17:51 GMT -5
If the government is weaponizing against the people, it's the insurrectionist January 6 types. I'm not one of those so I have no reason to fear this government
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Post by rusty on Mar 29, 2023 14:51:17 GMT -5
I don't want to see this Country turned into a Shipshewana third world nightmare by a bunch of guys who glorify January 6th and imagine themselves to be some sort of a "militia". Which militias have been rendered moot for a long time There's ample evidence that the Gov't has been weaponizing Gov't agencies against the people.Anyone who thinks the American people shouldn't be able to defend themselves againt their own Gov't is a fool. If the day that some militant types seem to be eagerly awaiting ever comes, I expect private gun ownership will be a thing of the past when the dust settles. |
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